kingsouthie:

...is biafra is not more than apc/pdp to you?what business does Pastor Kumuyi have with biafra or apc? please quit this hatred and know your true enemies

kingsouthie:

the apc in lagos state have accomodated igbos well by appointing them to serve as commissioners or special advisers and then in time for election you want to back stab them to support an opposition party? isnt that an insult to the oba being in full support of the apc? if your village head is challenged by outsiders accomodated in his domain what would you expect him to do?leave pdp/apc fight out of biafra please

kingsouthie:

...is biafra is not more than apc/pdp to you?what business does Pastor Kumuyi have with biafra or apc? please quit this hatred and know your true enemies

chibuzorAbia:


If Igbo don't want to be dictated to, or submit to other people's culture and civility, shouldnt they just stay at home? And live peacefully in their ancestors land in the culture they are familiar with?

As a Yoruba man I have no apologies to give any refuge seekers living in my ancestral land. Period!!! And they are not living all over Nigeria out of love but due to the poverty and lack of resources in Igboland??

pchukwudi:
No, that's not a common reaction in the South East. Otherwise someone like Ojukwu would not lose any election in the region - but he did. Why? Because no single individual ever has the right or power to DICTATE actions to people. Even sitting governors have been resisted by the people in the south east let alone a traditional ruler.

Fact is, you simply CANNOT comprehend what I'm saying here. Why? Because the concepts of individualism and democracy are totally alien in your culture.

chibuzorAbia:


If Igbo don't want to be dictated to, or submit to other people's culture and civility, shouldnt they just stay at home? And live peacefully in their ancestors land in the culture they are familiar with?

As a Yoruba man I have no apologies to give any refuge seekers living in my ancestral land. Period!!! And they are not living all over Nigeria out of love but due to the poverty and lack of resources in Igboland??

kingsouthie:

...but you have failed to differentiate ipob from biafra, would the struggle for biafra die with ipob?the people that would fight against seccession of biafra is the fulani/hausa oligarchy and those that benefit so much from the corrupt system of nigeria as it is today...thats a topic for another day
There are hate speeches and calls for mass murder of the yorubas and others credited to nnamdi kanu/ipob, you would nt expect any sane person to accept that in any way...thats the root of the divide as far as biafra is concerned.

kingsouthie:

...keep your setiments aside, im talking of traditional rulers, your eze or obi or council of elders, would you expect "outsiders" to openly defy their "orders" right in their face and they would take it calmly given the implication of their sit?if i may ask, how many yorubas or niger-deltans occupy political sits in the east?
Look around you, look at nigeria as it is today, look at your idea of biafra, if you think what the oba of lagos said concerning lagos state election or what awolowo did in the 1960s or the yorubas or niger deltans are your stumbling block then cont with your arguement...

ozoebuka1:
Typical Yoruba man always speaking from both sides of his mouth.

Here you are telling everyone not to meddle biafra with apc and pdp.

down here u are using the Same apc and pdp to support your oba, isn't this hypocrisy?

Etogist:

Please how can you differentiate Indigenous People of Biafra from Biafra? I am not understanding.

pchukwudi:
You are talking arrant nonsense.

No Eze or Obi in igbo land will ever threaten anyone (be it the housa or yoruba community) to vote the obi's or eze's or council of elders's choice of candidate. Get that into your head.

And here's something else:

1. Your oba's threat of mass murder WAS NOT AS A RESULT OF ANY OPEN DEFIANCE. The man simply woke up from the wrong side of his bed, summoned Igbo leaders in lagos and issued a baseless threat. So quit twisting the history.

2. Ambode's opponent was not an Igbo man. Jimmy was as Yoruba as Ambode. So the threat has nothing to do with culture or ethnic political preservation. It was purely an abuse of authority which was driven by personal selfishness and fear. And few sane yoruba people did condemn the oba's behavior.

jollymizzle:
I won't argue but I'll just state one fact, on Oba akiolu's speech, lagos state government, asiwaju tinubu, ambode, many other Yoruba sons and daughters, myself, dissociated ourselves from that unfortunate outburst. The records are there. Now name just one igbo man who has condemned kanu's hate speech,You see that's the difference between yorubas and igbos.after reading the numerous post by many igbos here, all of you forgetting that fact, I'm saying this without any apology :majority of you igbos are insensitive and inconsiderate and unreasonable . I don't see any end to this cold war, in fact it might get to a confrontation. I can see many posts here stating that the tribal war exists only on nairaland, blissful ignorance is the phrase to describe that. well I got cured of that ignorance a couple of years ago. As for kanu, he is only reaping what he sowed. I will cont to say this, the present generation of igbos are a disgrace to their fathers. They are filled with hate,and pride. Your father's who fought the war moved on and forgave but you who didn't even witness what happened have turned hate into your driving force.

kingsouthie:

you are the ones drawing apc/pdp affairs into the biafra struggle which is only a waste...the oba said one thing concerning elections in lagos and you using that as an excuse to justify the misguided call by ipob for killing of yorubas...the yorubas are not even the ones standing in your way, who are those saying no to restructuring to start with? who are those saying igbos should forget about biafra?

pchukwudi:
It's good that you are getting the point.

Thing is, folks like Kanu are REACTING to silly anti-igbo rhetorics (like yours as bolded below) which seem to have been imbeded in the fabrics of many Nigerians. And until you folks stop the dumb igbophobic rants and behavior you will have to kerp contending with more and more Kanus.

Finally, claiming that no igbo leader has ever condenmed Kanu is just a hairy BIG FAT lie. Do you even know why Okorocha was attacked in london? In fact an igbi DG in one of the agencies is a vocal critic of Kanu. He even critisizec him last week. What of the spokesman of Lagos APC? You talk like someone who is oblivious of the media trend.

aribisala0:
I know Eboes first hand no one told me about them.They are a spiteful hateful bunch full of inferiority feelings.Those Yorubas who do not know them might think why do Eboes hate Yorubas. Eboes do not hate Yorubas theey hate everyone ,I repeat everyone even the children of their mother.Quote me anywhere.A typical Eboe man wants to be the first whether he deserves it or not and he desires it for no other reason than the power to dominate and humiliate his fellow man. He wants to be able and does order grown men to be brought to his house and flogged just to show who is boss. If he hs money he caan tell his father's mates to shut up and they oblige.Money is God for the Eboe

If anything I am more Eboe than many of these internet Eboe warriors. I have participated in their age grade initiation rites in the Bush,the ritual humiliations and so on.Some people think to be Eboe it is enough to answer Emeka or Ngozi.They are probably the most fetish people in Nigeria. Many of the jokers calling themselves Eboes simply have no clue what being Eboe is alll about. They think it is about name and language. I laugh. A true Eboe man must belong to a cult.Fact.He must be initiated.Fact..not once but several times as he gets older.
The Yoruba have a saying
Kini kan ba Ajao je. One thing sullies Ajao

Ajao the Gorilla would hae been perfect but for one thing its arms are longer than its legs.
Indeed no one is perfect.
The Eboe rituals of preparation for manhood are among the most robust I have seen,firsthand but it is entirely selfish, driven by fear and inferiority and ultimately destructive.

Everything the Eboe man does is drien by a desire to become a kind of god among his people. He cannot acept being second in his heart even if he is bested he would rather lie or try to explain why the first is soehow undeserving.
No doubt Anambra Eboes are unique among the Eboes and they would never pretend to like the other Eboes ,of whom theyy are totally contemptuous, if not for the existential threat they feel in Nigeria

pchukwudi:
1) Change your fake monica to reflect your yoruba identity, since you think that yoruba is better than igbo.

2) There is nowhere in Nigeria where Igbos have ever moved against the CULTURE of their host community.

3) It's the RIGHT (and constitutionally so) of any igbo man to vote WHOMSOEVER he likes WHEREEVER he lives as far as one Nigeria remains.

4) Your Oba's hate and aim to dictate who the igbos should vote for in lagos was not only foolish, but grossly illegal.

5) It's sheer ignorance that makes you think that the ENTERPRISING Igbos migrate to other parts of the world to seek refuge.

pchukwudi:
Until you start keeping accurate records you will keep getting pushed around by every dick and harry. And will never stop running around the same circle of limitations both at present and in the future generations.

pchukwudi:
CC: jollymizzle

You see, dung like the one coming from the personified failure below is the exact reason Nnamdi Kanu thrives.

The damaged entity is freely spewing bigoted and hateful nonsense now, but by the time his superiors arrive and return it to him a hundred fold in kind, he will start whimping.

pchukwudi:
That's the problem you guys have. You look for peace at the expense of justice.

Any wonder why, inspite of all the propaganda, lies, politicking and political correctness, the peace you so covet has remained elusive to you more than 50 years now?.

The earlier you folks realize that having a lasting peace in this country will not be possible without justice, equity and truth, the better for everyone.

And you cannot claim to want peace now when you actively and PRESENTLY justify the past evils perpetuated by your ancestors.

Wherever there WAS opression, there cannot be peace without repentance (sometimes followed by restitution). But in the case of OP, not only was he not repentant, he IS actually justifying the evils and opporession that were carried out by his ancestors . Why? Probably because if given another opportunity, he will not hesitate to repeat the same scenario.

So, as I mentioned earlier, there's a huge difference between forgiveness and forgetfulness.

Ejanla07:


Kno ur past then ur future is secured

jollymizzle:
i may not be as blunt as he is but seriously you igbos have taken this too far . You would want me to condemn him for his outburst after you guys let kanu loose on the rest of us. Like I said earlier, the relations between igbo and Yoruba is degenerating daily and the post you quoted is an example. A few years ago it wasn't like this before kanu started filling igbo hearts with hatred. He(kanu) is the real enemy of you igbos and it's a shame you still haven't realised that

NwaforIgbo:


This thread had said they are sorry! Will u arrest awolowo in the grave yard. The sin of the father should not follow the children if the children say they are sorry.

ozoebuka1:
No matter how you conceal a truth, it will still come back to hunt you.

Oba akiolu is a Yoruba man, he wished igbos death and you are ok with it but when nnamdi kanu who's an igbo man wishes yorubas death you pick offence...who reasons this way? You are invariably telling us that it's politically right to wish people death and that should be conclusive.

Nigeria is made up 3 powers; igbo, Hausa and yoruba. Igbo and Hausa always makes their stance known to all. but Yoruba will always stand on the fence!!!

Igbo wants biafra and they are doing everything to get it.

Hausa wants sharia and they are doing everything to get it.

Now, what do Yoruba stand for Okay, Let's pretend yorubas want restructuring just like the igbos, how bold has their voice been about it

North came out the other to make it known to everyone that they don't want restructuring, they made clear their stand and I respect them for that.

Igbos have said it's either restructuring or biafra; they've made made known their stance and I admire them for that too.

Now, Yoruba, "they stand for restructuring" now how have they convinced us they are serious about it

My point is, igbos will continue to blame Yoruba for the chaos in Nigeria because they like to stand in the middle while others fight their battle for them. Give Hausa man a chance too he will still tell u that Yoruba is still the problem.

pchukwudi:
You perfectly captured one of the inreconcilable differences between the igbo and yoruba cultures.

For example, you're quick to justify your Oba's hate speech; and insist that it was right to threaten Igbos with mass murder if they ever refuse to be deprived of their political franchise and constitutional rights to vote whomsoever they wish to be the governor (by their individual convictions) simply because they reside in Lagos.

But you missed one thing: "Igbo ama eze",

Igbo ama eze loosly means that no one dictates to an average igbo man what to do.

And that's not "an insult" to anyone as you taged it...

But when you are in someones domain . You have to follow their tradition .

It's simply a CULTURAL thing...

It's in them...

Igbo MEN do not bend down to salute their rulers or elders.

To you that may be an insult, but to igbos it's a normal culture of individuality and personal assertiveness.

Paherps this is another cultural reason you should conceed to those who insist that they want out.

jollymizzle:
I won't argue but I'll just state one fact, on Oba akiolu's speech, lagos state government, asiwaju tinubu, ambode, many other Yoruba sons and daughters, myself, dissociated ourselves from that unfortunate outburst. The records are there. Now name just one igbo man who has condemned kanu's hate speech,You see that's the difference between yorubas and igbos.after reading the numerous post by many igbos here, all of you forgetting that fact, I'm saying this without any apology :majority of you igbos are insensitive and inconsiderate and unreasonable . I don't see any end to this cold war, in fact it might get to a confrontation. I can see many posts here stating that the tribal war exists only on nairaland, blissful ignorance is the phrase to describe that. well I got cured of that ignorance a couple of years ago. As for kanu, he is only reaping what he sowed. I will cont to say this, the present generation of igbos are a disgrace to their fathers. They are filled with hate,and pride. Your father's who fought the war moved on and forgave but you who didn't even witness what happened have turned hate into your driving force.

chibuzorAbia:


People like you give these monkeys from the East the latitude and opportunity to desparage our people. We do NOT owe them any apology whatsoever. We support our Oba 200%!!!!

aribisala0:


Hausas stand for Sharia?? Are you not stupid? You are very childish. So people must act according to your timetable? No one owes you anything. Why should we tell you what we want or what we stand for. Face your work and do what you like just do not cross your boundaries or you will pay dearly. You think life is about noisemaking. We are TOTALLY indifferent to you as in we do not GAF about you.You are irrelevant.We understand the nature of all your childish tantrums on the internet which is to provoke some kind of reaction from us .We can see through it all.It still remains for you to come up wit A PLAN that will achieve Biafra. It will not happen ONLINE and we will not help you..


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pchukwudi:
You perfectly captured one of the inreconcilable differences between the igbo and yoruba cultures.

For example, you're quick to justify your Oba's hate speech; and insist that it was right to threaten Igbos with mass murder if they ever refuse to be deprived of their political franchise and constitutional rights to vote whomsoever they wish to be the governor (by their individual convictions) simply because they reside in Lagos.

But you missed one thing: "Igbo ama eze",

Igbo ama eze loosly means that no one dictates to an average igbo man what to do.

And that's not "an insult" to anyone as you taged it...

It's simply a CULTURAL thing...

It's in them...

Igbo MEN do not bend down to salute their rulers or elders.

To you that may be an insult, but to igbos it's a normal culture of individuality and personal assertiveness.

Paherps this is another cultural reason you should conceed to those who insist that they want out.

pchukwudi:
You are talking arrant nonsense.

No Eze or Obi in igbo land will ever threaten anyone (be it the housa or yoruba community) to vote the obi's or eze's or council of elders's choice of candidate. Get that into your head.

And here's something else:

1. Your oba's threat of mass murder WAS NOT AS A RESULT OF ANY OPEN DEFIANCE. The man simply woke up from the wrong side of his bed, summoned Igbo leaders in lagos and issued a baseless threat. So quit twisting the history.

2. Ambode's opponent was not an Igbo man. Jimmy was as Yoruba as Ambode. So the threat has nothing to do with culture or ethnic political preservation. It was purely an abuse of authority which was driven by personal selfishness and fear. And few sane yoruba people did condemn the oba's behavior.

Ikeg:


This is why I despise Yoruba. You people and hypocrisy is 10 to nonensure

Prior to Nnamdi Kanu speech, it was well documented that YORUBA were the ones who wished Igbo death the most. A neutral observers, a freaking European, made comment of it during that era

During the Massob, on this EXACT forum we have MULTIPLE threads where Yoruba REJOICED over the killings of Massob members. For what reasons did they do it other than hatred?
Nnamdi Kanu himself was a Massob member before starting IPOB. Therefore, no sane human would read your despicable lots rejoicing on the death of his people for no real reason and not form hatred towards una.

Not only that, on this EXACT forum as well, we have MULTIPLE threads of Yoruba REJOICINGreg over any attack up north especially when they make the assumption the victims are igbo. The Abuja bombing as well as the 2011 killings is a perfect example.

Then we have Oba Akiolu death wish on Igbo
After Oba Akiolu, we had a Yoruba on Twitter whom asked that everyone should go and kill igbo simply because igbo supports GEJ
After that, we had a Yoruba doctor wish death on Igbo on FB

All this occurred BEFORE Nnamdi EVER spoke about killing yoruba

Yeto you f2jers ignore the hate filled, genocidal comments of your fucking people. Hell you even justifying your Oba speech on here and focus on Nnamdi and IPOB.

The social media exposed the demon glad you yoruba are and you are reaping a that hatred you lots spewed.

jollymizzle:
i may not be as blunt as he is but seriously you igbos have taken this too far . You would want me to condemn him for his outburst after you guys let kanu loose on the rest of us. Like I said earlier, the relations between igbo and Yoruba is degenerating daily and the post you quoted is an example. A few years ago it wasn't like this before kanu started filling igbo hearts with hatred. He(kanu) is the real enemy of you igbos and it's a shame you still haven't realised that

ozoebuka1:
Not inciting anything, North wants sharia, it hasn't come because "Nigeria" is still functional. Also, I'm not inciting anyone, I'm just telling you the root cause of igbos feud with Yoruba. Yoruba will shout "united south" when they want to market obasanjo, tinubu, or osibanjo and shout "indifference" when they want to sabotage the Same "united south"