TheGoodJoe:


The question is, Does Guardiola still have interest in Nacho? If he does, Iheanacho leaving will prove difficult. Iheanacho still has to learn that fluid movement upfront. I did not watch the last game but the other against Hull, Iheanacho moved better. The fact was that it was in a 4-4-2 formation and Nacho already plays the support striker role well.

The challenge is transferring such movement to his nine role. I honestly believe if Nacho gets this, he will become an excellent player. Aguero learnt it perfectly and Iheanacho can.

I say he stays one more season as a Citizen.

Humility017:


I don't understand you...well I know somehow you're conservative and possibly a phlegmatic.
reasonable who will.need a player and ruin his career by letting out of the match day squad people must not always tell you....all things but their actions towards you are words you have to got to decode


your team obsession with pep and his obsolete tactics is really making you biased

you see young lads every time making waves in teams like Monaco, dybala in juventus, rashfold in man utd etc....
and you keep saying nacho should keep learning even when he is deliberately omitted from the match day squad...

please tell your pep....my nacho is already a talent all he needs is game time to display his potentials....nonsense coach..
I wish I could even lay my hands on him..it will be disastrous...

Humility017:


I don't understand you...well I know somehow you're conservative and possibly a phlegmatic.
reasonable who will.need a player and ruin his career by letting out of the match day squad people must not always tell you....all things but their actions towards you are words you have to got to decode


your team obsession with pep and his obsolete tactics is really making you biased

you see young lads every time making waves in teams like Monaco, dybala in juventus, rashfold in man utd etc....
and you keep saying nacho should keep learning even when he is deliberately omitted from the match day squad...

please tell your pep....my nacho is already a talent all he needs is game time to display his potentials....nonsense coach..
I wish I could even lay my hands on him..it will be disastrous...

Humility017:


I don't understand you...well I know somehow you're conservative and possibly a phlegmatic.
reasonable who will.need a player and ruin his career by letting out of the match day squad people must not always tell you....all things but their actions towards you are words you have to got to decode


your team obsession with pep and his obsolete tactics is really making you biased

you see young lads every time making waves in teams like Monaco, dybala in juventus, rashfold in man utd etc....
and you keep saying nacho should keep learning even when he is deliberately omitted from the match day squad...

please tell your pep....my nacho is already a talent all he needs is game time to display his potentials....nonsense coach..
I wish I could even lay my hands on him..it will be disastrous...

TheGoodJoe:


Dybala is 23 while Iheanacho is 20. This is the formative years of Iheanacho and learning this fluid movement as a striker will make him one of the deadliest finishers in the game. He is already exceptional striking, add this movement and we have a possible legend.

If Iheanacho was 23, I will not say stay. It is clear Guardiola treasures the mobile forwards. Players like Gabriel Jesus, Mbappe, Lewandowski, Suarez and Firmino have this naturally.

Iheanacho working with Aguero and Gabriel Jesus who have mastered it will help him get it soon. Give the young man time.

TheGoodJoe:


The question is, Does Guardiola still have interest in Nacho? If he does, Iheanacho leaving will prove difficult. Iheanacho still has to learn that fluid movement upfront. I did not watch the last game but the other against Hull, Iheanacho moved better. The fact was that it was in a 4-4-2 formation and Nacho already plays the support striker role well.

The challenge is transferring such movement to his nine role. I honestly believe if Nacho gets this, he will become an excellent player. Aguero learnt it perfectly and Iheanacho can.

I say he stays one more season as a Citizen.

Icon4s:


You are the same person that says age does not matter.

So age now matters? So Dybala is better bc he is older?

terzurum5:

The way your arguments in defence of Iheanacho's maltreatment by Pep Guardiola de pain me enh, one day I fit go break for this thread because of you.

Must he crumble his career completely before you realise it's time for Iheanacho to say goodbye

Runs out of thread!!!

TheGoodJoe:


The question is, Does Guardiola still have interest in Nacho? If he does, Iheanacho leaving will prove difficult. Iheanacho still has to learn that fluid movement upfront. I did not watch the last game but the other against Hull, Iheanacho moved better. The fact was that it was in a 4-4-2 formation and Nacho already plays the support striker role well.

The challenge is transferring such movement to his nine role. I honestly believe if Nacho gets this, he will become an excellent player. Aguero learnt it perfectly and Iheanacho can.

I say he stays one more season as a Citizen.

tbaba1234:


How??

TheSuperNerd:
Sir GoodJoe.... Nacho will be 21 by October this year. Nacho needs playing time added to his learning time.

It is true Drogba came into his own at age 24 but A Messi was already world best at age 21.

Nacho can't wait till he is 22 before he gets a good run of games added to what he is learning on the training ground.

After all, I have watched Mbappe (who like Nacho is on my DLS team), Dybala (also on my DLS team) and even Gabriel Jesus (used to be but I sold him back to Man city) closely.... they are still not perfect.

Nacho needs game time. He is already one of the most lethal forwards in Europe based on goals ratio. Whatever he still has to learn can be learnt while he also gets game time.....

If I teach you MS-word or MS-Excel software applications.... would not you have to be using them to get used to them? must you be perfect before you get your hands on them?

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TheGoodJoe:



The flaw in your analogy is that you are mistaken playing time as using the excel sheet. Using the excel sheet is done repeatedly on the training pitch and practicing using it is also done in the training pitch.

Game time is when you are preparing a pro report for a multinational organization. That is not where learning and becoming proficient in Excel happens.

Nacho is a brilliant finisher but he certainly derails when it concerns fluid movement off the ball. I pointed it long ago that I found Nacho goes to Liverpool, he will find himself on the bench because of how fluid Firmino is.

Watch Mbappe track back, he tracks until the defence line. These kind of fluidity will take Hardwork to achieve it. Guardiola believes Nacho can learn it. This is the best time for him to work with a exceptional training coach.

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Victor Osimhen

TheSuperNerd:

There is no flaw...... I am telling you how I learnt Ms Excel. I was actually allowed to make use of it in real settings while I practiced perfecting it at home.

You cannot keep Nacho on the bench forever in the name of wanting him to attain perfection.

TheGoodJoe:


Your mixing the context. The context is in better not age. Gabriel Jesus moves better than Firmino. That is why he is the lead striker of Brazil ahead of an older and more experienced Firmino.

At the moment, Aguero moves better than Iheanacho. That is why he deserves to get picked ahead of Iheanacho. I said we should stop using experience but refer to the better player.

TheGoodJoe:



You can carry out pro excel work in your room. Even more challenging conditions than you get in work environment. That is where the growth takes place.

Icon4s:


Going by your philosophy you should not mention age while comparing Iheanacho with Dybala.

You have always opined that age does not matter.
The experience issue is another debate.

TheGoodJoe:


I said in comparison of player. Age should not be used as a reason for selection. The best player should get the nod, despite age.

In this case, we are talking of the development of a player. Iheanacho is still young and has room for development.

When it comes to selection, select the better player.

TheSuperNerd:

So Nacho should stick to more training routines on the training field till he is 22.... is that it?

No game time.... just train, train and train.... till he is perfect.


Plsss.... is Gabby Jesus perfect? is Mbappe perfect? what about even Rashford? Are they all perfect?

We are talking about a player who took less time to bang in 10 EPL goals before he turned 20. Something Rashford is still trying to achieve.... before he turns 20.

So Nacho must he perfect before he takes to the field for 80-90mins in five successive games.... at least.... is that it?

TheSuperNerd:
When Aguero was shit..... and Iheanacho was firing on all cylinders for City and Nigeria.... Did Pep pick Nacho??

Since you harp on "better player"

TheGoodJoe:


Guardiola proved that he wants his forwards contributing to the game play, just as he wants his keepers building-up plays and his defenders joining the midfield.

This is a big part of the philosophy and in turn improves the players. Nacho can finish. Guardiola gets it but he wants him to become fluid. Very fluid. Watch Lewandowski or Firmino and you will get it. When Nacho adds this, then we will have a monster. A year more is not his whole life and he will become deadlier. That is the most important thing.

Humility017:


I don't understand you...well I know somehow you're conservative and possibly a phlegmatic.
reasonable who will need a player and ruin his career by letting him out of the match day squad people must not always tell you....all things but their actions towards you are words you have got to decode


your tense obsession with pep and his obsolete tactics is really making you biased

you see young lads every time making waves in teams like Monaco, dybala in juventus, rashfold in man utd etc....
and you keep saying nacho should keep learning even when he is deliberately omitted from the match day squad...

please tell your pep....my nacho is already a talent all he needs is game time to display his potentials....nonsense coach..
I wish I could even lay my hands on him..it will be disastrous...

TheSuperNerd:
I watch Lewandowski so much.... he is even on my DLS team also. I rate him as the best no.9 on the planet.


So Pep didn't see Nacho contributing to build-up plays in the game against Southampton where Nacho saved his ass?

That 1-1 game at the Etihad earlier this season..... let's use that as a case study.

TheSuperNerd:
So Nacho should stick to more training routines on the training field till he is 22.... is that it?

No game time.... just train, train and train.... till he is perfect.


Plsss.... is Gabby Jesus perfect? is Mbappe perfect? what about even Rashford? Are they all perfect?

We are talking about a player who took less time to bang in 10 EPL goals before he turned 20. Something Rashford is still trying to achieve.... before he turns 20.

So Nacho must he perfect before he takes to the field for 80-90mins in five successive games.... at least.... is that it?


Meanwhile, I have told you how I mastered Excel and other packages.... don't twist it to suit your training and growth alone argument.

TheSuperNerd:
I watch Lewandowski so much.... he is even on my DLS team also. I rate him as the best no.9 on the planet.


So Pep didn't see Nacho contributing to build-up plays in the game against Southampton where Nacho saved his ass?

That 1-1 game at the Etihad earlier this season..... let's use that as a case study.

TheGoodJoe:


That, I totally disagree with Guardiola. Iheanacho fitted more into his philosophy but Aguero got the nod. Sometimes it is hard to delve into the mind of the manager. However, at the moment Aguero is a perfect fit and Nacho is far from it.

I think it was in the game against Everton. I was literally screaming at the screen that Nacho should drop deeper and move to the ball. He will get it. Others are improving, like Delph, Fernando, Navas etc with less game time. Nacho will keep improving. I say he keeps learning.

TheGoodJoe:



Why jump to 1961 when we are in 2017? Let us use the current state of the players. At the moment, Nacho is still developing when it comes to fluid movement. He is miles away from moving like Lewandowski. Lewandowski's first touch is also breathtaking.

Nacho has a manager ready to get him to understand these concepts which in turn will make him better. I disagree that Nacho should work away from this golden opportunity. Playing time is overrated. Ask Iwobi.

TheSuperNerd:

I have come to master the fact that Greatness comes from hours and hours and even years of perfecting one's craft and talents and becoming super skilled because Skill and talent are not the same thing...

In my little journeys so far in the science and medicine world, I know that Practice and direction is more important than speed.... what I mean is... I have come to understand that there is no need to rush...

What is important is that I keep working, learning and improving even as i go up the ladders of my education and surely one day, I will take centre stage.


Now in the game of football.... things are similar but only that one does not have all the time in the world in soccer.... one literally have between 17 and 35 years of age as an outfield player to make his mark.

If you are a goalie... you have between age 17 and maybe 40.


The rest of your life after ages 35-40 is lived outside active soccer.

So football is different is different from Medicine and science in this regard....

In football, age 24-26 is no longer a rookie... but in science... you are still considered young and a baby... depending on where you are in your journey.

So on Nacho carrying on learning.... I have no issues with that okay. But........

But... I do have issues with how long because Football have such a short span for one player to make an impact. Nacho must not use the better part of his career to just keep learning.... he must do it in tandem with playing time. He doesn't have 40yrs in football... he has roughly 15 yrs more....