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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Elnino4ladies: 11:03am On Apr 18, 2017 |
bigkesh: Ini edo? 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:05am On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz:SMH. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:08am On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz: Paul Scholes is not too different to Iniesta stats wise . 60 passes per game. 1 or 2 assists a season etcetera etcetera. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:29am On Apr 18, 2017 |
bigkesh:Well..there is a reason his book was named "The Artist". |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:36am On Apr 18, 2017 |
bykebyke: When we asked Iniesta original defenders why he doesn't score or assist, they told us his remit was possession game, not scoring or assisting. Now you are writing Poetry to explain what he actually does. Hazard is more poetic and balletic than Iniesta sha. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:48am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: Bruv I only typed names of manU legends without checking anything out. If I ask you to talk about the contributions of drogba,anelka ,lampard ,ballack ,essien,makalele, calvaho, Ashley Cole, and even Malouda.... will u just come drop some poems? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 11:50am On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime:Let's get this straight..Are you talking about Iniesta at his prime(Up to Last season)? Or you are talking about Iniesta of this Season... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:57am On Apr 18, 2017 |
jonsnow92: Iniesta in his prime is a low volume passer, no be today. At no point in his career can you show me passing stats that prove that he was fundamental to Barcelonas possession game. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:58am On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz: So Iniesta doesn't have contributions ni? If you want to judge the Chelsea legends there based on stats, you will disappointed. Lampard is the only exceptional person stat wise there. Apart from 2 non- consecutive seasons at the club, Drogba was scoring 8, 10, 5 league goals per season. And that's a striker. I think Ballack had only 14 league assists in his 4 years playing for us. Omo leave story. Some players have to assessed qualitatively not quantitatively. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 11:59am On Apr 18, 2017 |
bykebyke: Adabowale aka dabberdinho aka dabberlord "The artist" |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 12:08pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime:No..He didnt pass 100 per game like Xavi..Trust me Possesion isnt solely about the number of passes made,Its also about not loosing the ball whenever you are given..Iniesta rarely looses the ball..Like Rarely..Give him the ball and he wont loose it despite been marked by 2-3 players every match...My Brother I've seen you type series of things about Iniesta..I think I saw somewhere you called him a fraud..Now I ask You..Is Iniesta a Fraud or not?? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 12:10pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Stats have blindfolded several people really.. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:10pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime:Iniesta is the grestest playmaker OAT and one of the greatest midfielders. Any other opinion is BS. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:11pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: Ballack was not an AM at Chelsea, he was a holding player. Goals conceded record speaks for him. As AM at Bayern and Leverkusen, his goals speak for him. Drogba was not lauded for his 16 goal seasons. It is his 2007 season of 33 goals that brought him to prominence. There is a clear dissociation of logic when one claims that Iniesta was integral to Barcas famed possession game and does not have the passing stats to back it up. Take any above-average midfielder and plump in that Barca team and they will match his passing stats. Even Arturo Vidal, by virtue of playing in a high possession volume team gets to pass the ball 70 times per match (more than Iniesta). Sign Arturo Vidal to run your possession game and sorry will be your middle name. Iniesta has never been a possession driver, he is just there by association. The last few years since Xavi retired proves that, and his possession stats his whole career proves that. We have all been sold a lemon on Iniesta his whole career. That dude is just a dribbler, nothing more. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:12pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
bykebyke: Define playmaking, and what is the purpose of it. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:15pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
jonsnow92: Dembele hardly loses the ball when he is given it, neither does Alexander Hleb or Eden Hazard. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:22pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: You are missing the point bro. I specifically peaked on bykbyk post to expose how limited their way of judging players can be especially when we choose to put the search lights on "football legends"(in quote). You are free to drop the contributions of any of the legends if u so choose to. I am definitely not against it. I wasn't the one who started the quantitative bullshyytee of analysing players on NL. I am not even going to pursue that route. However, to read bykbyk poetic response to the contributions of iniesta is highly hypocritical being that he is quick to condemn certain players for not having much or quantitative contributions to show for in games. As far as I am concerned, the NL standard used in judging players like hazard should be used across board not writing poems. Abi,why must we decide to exclude iniesta from quantitative contributions just because he doesn't have it? Or can you bail bykbyk out and tell us iniestas contributions without being poetic? 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 12:24pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: Scholes has more than 60 passes per game!!! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:26pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime: Ballack was a CM, like Iniesta. 14 assists in 4 seasons is paltry. Drogba had 1 spectacular season out of 6 but he is a legend. Throughout his stay at Chelsea, he averaged less than 20 league goals per season. Those are Troy Deeney numbers. Yet Drogba is a Legend. Volume of passes means zilch. Nothing. Jordan Henderson is currently the highest volume passer in the league today...it doesn't prove that he's better than anybody Scholes and Iniesta have roughly the same number of passes per game. Scholes was also registering 1 or 2 leahue assists per season. Scholes was not crap was he? 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:28pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
jonsnow92: Please are you new to NL? The very people who used stats to sacrifice certain players are the same persons stammering bcuz we called iniestas name. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 12:32pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz: I see your point. No sympathy for Bykebyke- if that's the case, then fine. I still feel that numbers are there to bolster a point, not be the point themselves Drogba's biggest contribution to the team was his attitude. When he's on the pitch, you know he's there and that anything can happen. That's why he's a legend...not because he had the 1 fantastic season. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 12:34pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime:Lool..You still haven't answered me..Is Iniesta a fraud??..If Yes is he a fraud just because he's not the driving force in Barca's possesion game?? Dont mention Ogbolor names again o |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:34pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: Iniesta was not a CM. Now he is. Even the Raumdeuter that brought this CM argument typed in clear cold letters that "Iniesta was an AM". Scholes on the other hand was a CM for the 2nd half of his career. Go and check his stats from 1996 to 2004 when he played as an AM (in 4-4-2). Dude was registering 10 to 20 goals per season without fail. So the stats don't back you up. And BTW, nobody called Scholes the greatest Playmaker of all time and nobody called Drogba the greatest striker of all time. But when it comes to Eunuch, we hear all sort of poetry and eulogy. If you are an attacking player, you must have stats. Simple. You cannot be an AM, winger or striker and say you are not into scoring or assisting. Fa, fa, fa, foul! Defensive players are the only ones we will judge qualitatively. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:35pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Nihilist: I agree with this a million times....... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 12:37pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz:Bykebyk bykebyk bykebyk bykebyk. Mention me with your Chest. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:39pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
jonsnow92: Iniesta is a good player but a fraud in the sense of the plaudits he gets for doing less than other great players. The dude is elevated waaaayyy above his station and that's where the fraud comes in. The part that gets me the most is that the greatest CM of my time, Xavi, who provided the platform for him is sometimes overlooked in the polling booth for Iniesta. I am even willing to prove this fraudery by putting £100 on the line that Iniesta will make FIFA or UEFA team of the year, despite his horrible season. Open to the first taker. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:41pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
bykebyke: How is the transmitter the greatest playmaker OAT? Can you back this up quantitatively without being poetic? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 12:41pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
diggz:Stats aren't all now..Whereas numbers also play a role in judging a player but when it comes to greats its about their peculiarity.. Cruyff, Laudrup,Scholes,Pirlo rarely registered 15assists per season yet they are the best midfielders during their time..I'm still asking Ibime why Iniesta is a Fraud though |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:46pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
bykebyke: You want me to flood u with mentions abi? No wahala, I will |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by SIRcumalot: 12:46pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
hensben:kai!! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by jonsnow92: 12:50pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
Ibime:Oh now I get your point but the reasons for these Applauds are around you.. For LA roja alone in major competitions Iniesta has 9 Man of the match awards..Euro 2008 (1),South Africa 2010(3)..Euro 2012(3),Euro 2016(2)..Of course He was man of the match in 2 of the finals.. I dont need to go to his club performances..Iniesta simply put is a big game player..He does what very few people does with the ball.. Iniesta controls football matches with a simple economy of effort, letting the ball work for him and always in close attendance to aid his teammates.He is an incredible hybrid of two of his more feted club colleagues; a player who can pass the ball as well as Xavi and dribble it as well as Messi. His ability to find space is remarkable and his knowledge of what to do with the space utterly exquisite. No-one has ever been more immaculate in their timing of a final ball; Iniesta always plays the right pass at the right time. His peripheral vision is surely unparalleled in the modern game. Iniesta The Artiste!!!!!..Name Your Son Iniesta 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 12:51pm On Apr 18, 2017 |
jonsnow92: Tell me iniestas peculiarity? I know of Ronaldinhos, pirlo peculiarities....I know of okochas but I know nothing of iniestas. Please , tell me of iniestas peculiarities. For the record, I am officially declaring iniedo iniesther a fraud based on the NL standard for judging players. You can feel free to call Cruyff or laudrup frauds if you so wish to |
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