afrodoc2:


Zidane didnt play left wing ? No be you talk am?
Abeg Nihilist help me with that him post

Every player has played one or two positions now and again. Even Iniesta has played left-wing.

Nihilist as usual, out of his depth, and unable to differentiate his arse from his elbow when it comes to 1990s football has found something to latch onto to muddy the waters

They turned a simple question on Zidane to JAMB question, searching high and low all over google, and still confirming that Zidane was among the top producing CAMS of his generation.

The contrast with Eunuch Iniesta and his mates like Leon Osman is clear, and my point has been made


P Diddy voice - take that, take that, take that

Ibime:
Kevin Nolan is an AM. He is allowed to outscore Xavi.
Iniesta was an AM. Or do you want us to bring the screenshot where you told Chelseafan1 that Iniesta was an AM?

When Iniesta was AM he made 21 assists in one season

raumdeuter:


When Iniesta was AM he made 21 assists in one season

So he was an AM till 2014? The truth is setting you free.

Ibime:


So he was an AM till 2014? The truth is setting you free.

He has never played AM under Enrique

Ibime:


Every player has played one or two positions now and again. Even Iniesta has played left-wing.

Nihilist as usual, out of his depth, and unable to differentiate his arse from his elbow when it comes to 1990s football has found something to latch onto to muddy the waters

They turned a simple question on Zidane to JAMB question, searching high and low all over google, and still confirming that Zidane was among the top producing CAMS of his generation.

The contrast with Eunuch Iniesta and his mates like Leon Osman is clear, and my point has been made


P Diddy voice - take that, take that, take that

You confidently asked for 3 names and I gave you TEN, including those like Cocu and Matthaus that spent practically all their careers as CM/DM/Libero and even Gullit whose career was bookended by seasons playing defensive midfield and sweeper.

My point has been made

afrodoc2:


You asked for 3 names confidently and I gave you TEN, including those like Cocu, Mathhaus and that spent practically all their careers as CM/DM/Libero and even Gullit was career was bookended by seasons playing defensive midfield and sweeper.

I gave the guy at least 7. The guy just confuse himself upandan.

Ibime: Ams didn't score those days, Wingers did so don't mention wingers in the convo.

Ibime: Zidane was a winger.

I've seen less twisted pretzels.

randomperson:

Then let's talk about individual achievements.. Like ballon d'or podium or fifpro 11 or MVP awards

It still boils down to the more your team success the chances of a player climbing the podium.

Nihilstjnr:


I gave the guy at least 7. The guy just confuse himself upandan.

Ibime: Ams didn't score those days, Wingers did so don't mention wingers in the convo.

Ibime: Zidane was a winger.

I've seen less twisted pretzels.

At least you have not seen less twisted spaghetti.

hensben:
It still boils down to the more your team success the chances of a player climbing the podium.

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Why are you giving excuses now? If it's all down to team success, then how come players like busquets and pique and alba didn't have the same individual honors...
Hide all you want, the fact remains that iniesta trumps lampard when it comes to individual achievements...

afrodoc2:


You confidently asked for 3 names and I gave you TEN, including those like Cocu and Matthaus that spent practically all their careers as CM/DM/Libero and even Gullit whose career was bookended by seasons playing defensive midfield and sweeper.

My point has been made

No you came in with intellectual dishonesty which I would expect from someone who was never a witness to that era. I don't want to open too many variables to this debate that's why I quickly surmised and asked you to follow the earlier debates so as not to derail.

Rivaldo a CAM? That's foul. Even Raumdeuter was not dishonest enough to list him.

Djorkaeff a CAM? When he was winning golden boot in Serie A in 1997 as a striker with Zamorano. He is listed as a forward also.

Gullit played every position on the pitch from Defence to Striker and scored most of his goals as secondary striker, even as part of a famous front 2 with Van Basten.

For Luis Enrique, see Gullit.

All the players above are also listed as forwards on any profile you wish to check.

Once I see this kain dishonesty, I don't even bother cos we could start debating 10 different players positions and lose sight of the central argument.

My point remain kampke. Zidane stands shoulder to shoulder with all his contemporaries in the CAM position for goals scored in his era. Anyone wey even pass him, it's not by much. After 5 hours of googling, una even go find forwards just to edge him by few goals.

Iniesta however is being outscored 4:1 and 5:1 by his contemporaries in AM position and left them to even go and get trashed by the Leon Osmans of this world.

I can't put it no clearer than that.

Ibime:


No you came in with intellectual dishonesty which I would expect from someone who was never a witness to that era. I don't want to open too many variables to this debate that's why I quickly surmised and asked you to follow the earlier debates so as not to derail.

Rivaldo a CAM? That's foul. Even Raumdeuter was not dishonest enough to list him.

Djorkaeff a CAM? When he was winning golden boot in Seria A in 1997 as a striker with Zamorano. He is listed as a forward also.

Gullit played every position on the pitch from Defence to Striker and scored most of his goals as secondary striker, even as part of a famous front 2 with Van Basten.

For Luis Enrique, see Gullit.

All the players above are also listed as forwards on any profile you wish to check.

Once I see this kain dishonesty, I don't even bother cos we could start debating 10 different players positions and lose sight of the central argument.

My point remain kampke. Zidane stands shoulder to shoulder with all his contemporaries in the CAM position for goals scored in his era. Anyone wey even pass him, it's not by much. After 5 hours of googling, una even go find forwards just to edge him by few goals.

Iniesta however is being outscored 4:1 and 5:1 by his contemporaries in AM position and left them to even go and get trashed by the Leon Osmans of this world.

I can't put it no clearer than that.

The only person being intellectually dishonest here is you, because you're attempting to show that Zidane's career goals are the reason he was voted WPOTY of several occasions, which is patently false.

We have shown you several players with similar or even better goal records who never even climbed the podium, so clearly goals have nothing to do with Zidane's awards.

Everybody knows Zidane won WPOTY because of 98, 2000 and that goal in the UCL final. Nothing to do with goal output because that was super average.

Nihilstjnr:


The only person being intellectually dishonest here is you, because you're attempting to show that Zidane's career goals are the reason he was voted WPOTY of several occasions, which is patently false.

We have shown you several players with similar or even better goal records who never even climbed the podium, so clearly goals have nothing to do with Zidane's awards.

Everybody knows Zidane won WPOTY because of 98, 2000 and that goal in the UCL final. Nothing to do with goal output because that was super average.

It was super average yet you were googling since 11am to find who bettered it, like say na JAMB question. This is like one child of the 2000s telling us Ronaldo Lima's 30 goal seasons are super average because Messi them are scoring 60 these days. Let the witnesses to the era tell you what is average or not, and leave out the ITK Google analysis.

Zidane goal record was one of the best of his era for his position. Fact.

Nobody is arguing with you why Zidane won WPOTY. What we are saying is that Zidane was competing on equal footing with almost every CAM in the world, not like one carryalong who is competing with Leon Osman and co.

randomperson:

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Why are you giving excuses now? If it's all down to team success, then how come players like busquets and pique and alba didn't have the same individual honors...
Hide all you want, the fact remains that iniesta trumps lampard when it comes to individual achievements...

Quit agree. But it didn't change the fact that on the field of play Lampard did more than iniesta.

Iniesta is gold though so is Lampard.

Ibime:


It was super average yet you were googling since 11am to find who bettered it, like say na JAMB question.

Nobody is arguing with you why Zidane won WPOTY. What we are saying is that Zidane was competing on equal footing with almost every CAM in the world, not like one carryalong who is competing with Leon Osman and co.

Except this statement doesn't really jive does it? Is Zidane a winger or a CAM? Should we be comparing him to wingers or CAMs? Why are you so fraudulent?

Ibime:



I mentioned CAM because in the days of 4-4-2, wingers outscored CAMS, that's why Amuneke and Finidi were expected to score more than Okocha.

So don't go calling wingers names.

Ibime:



If someone did not knock you on the head, you would know Zidane was stationed on the left wing for Real.

hensben:
Quit agree. But it didn't change the fact that on the field of play Lampard did more than iniesta.

Wait? What are awards like ballon d'or, MVP, Fifpro for? For activities done on the bed?
Players, coaches and pundits have recognized iniesta's contribution on the pitch many more times than they have recognized lampard.. That's the hard fact

raumdeuter:


You are a joke

Dimatteo who played a total of 85 mins at all the world cup he went and 150mins at the Euro was the CAM for Italy who didnt miss a tournament

DiMatteo was as important to Italy as Darius Vassel and Trevor Sinclair was for England

Me sef wan ask Roberto wetin?

If Bayern don't want Joshua Kimmich, they should just give us abeg.

Wouldn't be bad to have isco at Chelsea

chic2pimp:


Me sef wan ask Roberto wetin?

Did you watch France 1998 qualification? Italy were in Englands group and Roberto played 90 minutes every match bar one where he was injured. He lost his place by the World Cup proper and only started one game, but it wasn't to Baggio, Totti etc like Raumdeuter suggested. The two strikers were Del Piero and Vieiri. Baggio was on bench for like-for-like substitution with Del Piero. Zola was cut just before the tournament, and Totti was too young to make the squad.

Darius Vassell? I think not. He was Italy's starting CAM for two years solid.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/roberto-di-matteo/nationalmannschaft/spieler

Ibime:
If Bayern don't want Joshua Kimmich, they should just give us abeg.

As In ehn. I swear dat guy is sth else.....

Lol it thrills my heart to see old folks slugging it out. Just like watching history Commentary

Madrid has Kroos, Casemiro and Modric of life.

Bayern has Thiago, Alonso and Vidal.

My dear Chelsea has only Kante in midfield.


When it should be Kante, Verratti and Fabregas.




Nawa oh.

Except a miracle happens Leicester don comot

Bayern penalty!

Raumdeuter no go allow us see road if dem win this game by chance today oooo

diggz:
Raumdeuter no go allow us see road if dem win this game by chance today oooo

Abeg o. Na Boateng beasted story we go dey hear if Bayern reach final.

Ororooooooo!!! WPOTY is yours!

Bayern still only need one to force extra time.

Ibime:


Abeg o. Na Boateng beasted story we go dey hear if Bayern reach final.

U go fear fear na!

Calamity Ramos!

Omg....Ramos don sell match o!!!!

Chaiii ...... Leicester