Is there particular reason why our local architects don't specify the space between the roof rafters for additional rooms / storage or utilities? In other foreign climes, this is usually one cheap way of increasing the building acreage.

Happy to be educated.

See this example, lots of potential space ...
https://www.nairaland.com/3121761/step-step-construction-5-bedroom#45917596

Our Architects do. That's why it's important to have a sit down with your Architect and tell him what you want and what you don't.

The major reason why Nigerians don't put living spaces in the roof is because of the WEATHER. Nigeria is very HOT.

We are talking between 27 to 35 degrees everyday. You won't even be able to breathe in the roof and you'll be sweating like the "Christmas goat"

As with home designs and living spaces, adaptability is the key word. we can't copy Europe bumper to bumper.

I hope this reply helps.

KolaShangOne:
Our Architects do. That's why it's important to have a sit down with your Architect and tell him what you want and what you don't.

The major reason why Nigerians don't put living spaces in the roof is because of the WEATHER. Nigeria is very HOT.

We are talking between 27 to 35 degrees everyday. You won't even be able to breathe in the roof and you'll be sweating like the "Christmas goat"

As with home designs and living spaces, adaptability is the key word. we can't copy Europe bumper to bumper.

I hope this reply helps.

It sure does. Thanks for taking the time.

I'd welcome examples in Nigeria, I just have not seen any.

I was not actually thinking in terms of 'copying Europe bumper to bumper' but more of efficient use of space.

Arizona (US) is hotter than many places in Nigeria but you do find lofts (or, Attics) gainfully employed in buildings. I'm sure ventilation can be carefully planned and the roofing material chosen to reduce the heat effect.

In my case, the original designs have been passed, and construction is in earnest as costed according to the original BoFQ. I'm thinking the conversion could be retrofitted later so, like you say, I'll talk to my Architect about what measures to put in place now.

jabolo:


It sure does. Thanks for taking the time.

I'd welcome examples in Nigeria, I just have not seen any.

I was not actually thinking in terms of 'copying Europe bumper to bumper' but more of efficient use of space.

Arizona (US) is hotter than many places in Nigeria but you do find lofts (or, Attics) gainfully employed in buildings. I'm sure ventilation can be carefully planned and the roofing material chosen to reduce the heat effect.

In my case, the original designs have been passed, and construction is in earnest as costed according to the original BoFQ. I'm thinking the conversion could be retrofitted later so, like you say, I'll talk to my Architect about what measures to put in place now.

I'm glad someone else brought it up because frankly, I was getting tired of folks thinking that Nigeria has a unique weather system.

Interestingly enough though, this high roof is not what we need in Nigeria. We need adobe type roofs in Arizona/Nevada/Spain and then we litter the tops with solar panels.

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The architect works on the client's brief... The level of client exposure is a major factor in what he requests and what u eventually design.

However, we're not a people who naturally think in that direction...

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MOD. Tiri Gbosas for you oh! Not yet a significant discussion, yet on FP.

I've seen houses in Nigeria that adopt such. For instance, my work place has such design. With a good air conditioning unit, you won't have any heat issues.

The issue is, most people aren't aware of such concept so they don't factor it in their requirements.

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vickzie:
As an architect, I have always wondered why my colleagues in the profession don't incorporate these kind of ideas in designs, the roof is a whole lot of space that can be utilized.

EgunMogaji:


I'm glad someone else brought it up because frankly, I was getting tired of folks thinking that Nigeria has a unique weather system.

Interestingly enough though, this high roof is not what we need in Nigeria. We need adobe type roofs in Arizona/Nevada/Spain and then we litter the tops with solar panels.

This your example will work perfectly in the North. In the South however, you will only be causing yourself heartache if you insist on this roof type. Flat roofs are not very sustainable in the South.
There are everyday cases of people in the south changing from their flat roofs to pitched. You should look at their reasons for that.

http://www.archfiler.com/design-errors-factors-to-avoid/

Scatterscatter:
I've seen houses in Nigeria that adopt such. For instance, my work place has such design. With a good air conditioning unit, you won't have any heat issues.

The issue is, most people aren't aware of such concept so they don't factor it in their requirements.

It will be wrong for any architect to design based on trend or on strict public expectation. Even when the clients demands something that we believe cannot work, it is our duty to advise him on why we should not include it.

When we design we factor a lot of things into our projects. This is why we get pissed when people say Architects just draw lines. There is psychology, culture, art, structure, cost, maintenance, material, religion, politics, etc to be considered in all designs.

You cannot plan a space in Nigeria without considering the long term effect of such spaces on its user. What if he does not have the capacity to run air conditioners? what if something happens and say, in the next 10 years he runs out of cash? This is not a place where you have or are guaranteed steady power supply.
The high roofs you see are both to protect the building and its occupants from both rain and sun, and heat. (even though I'm not a fan of the "send down the rain" pattern)

For the idea of utilizing roof space (incorporating attics), people do it here. I have done it also. You see it mostly in buildings; bungalow or otherwise that have some sort of pent floor, and where the roof is continuous and covers both pent floor and the other.

one problem we have down here is that most people, architects and clients inclusive, have become deeply engrossed in western and European designs. We forget that no two buildings are the same, and no two locations are the same also.
That it worked in Abuja is not a guarantee that it will work elsewhere, even in Lokoja.

If anything, what we should advocate is a minimalist approach to Pitches and not its total eradication.

Can someone give me the rough estimate cost of Reroofing a 6 bedroom bungalow with a sit out. Thanks.

As an architect, I have always wondered why my colleagues in the profession don't incorporate these kind of ideas in designs, the roof is a whole lot of space that can be utilized.

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Maybe because the houses are usually already over built and bigger than necessary...

some roofs are bigger than the main structure

jabolo:


It sure does. Thanks for taking the time.

I'd welcome examples in Nigeria, I just have not seen any.

I was not actually thinking in terms of 'copying Europe bumper to bumper' but more of efficient use of space.

Arizona (US) is hotter than many places in Nigeria but you do find lofts (or, Attics) gainfully employed in buildings. I'm sure ventilation can be carefully planned and the roofing material chosen to reduce the heat effect.

In my case, the original designs have been passed, and construction is in earnest as costed according to the original BoFQ. I'm thinking the conversion could be retrofitted later so, like you say, I'll talk to my Architect about what measures to put in place now.

is a matter of choice our team hav done so many of that

KolaShangOne:


The major reason why Nigerians don't put living spaces in the roof is because of the WEATHER. Nigeria is very HOT.

We are talking between 27 to 35 degrees everyday. You won't even be able to breathe in the roof and you'll be sweating like the "Christmas goat"

This is because we design our houses like prisons. Concrete edifices with tiny little windows. When the concrete-window ratio is like 99:1, why won't houses heat up, especially with limited cross-ventilation?

texazzpete:


This is because we design our houses like prisons. Concrete edifices with tiny little windows. When the concrete-window ratio is like 99:1, why won't houses heat up, especially with limited cross-ventilation?

lol. This is not entirely the fault of architects.
have you taken a look at the architecture of the houses our forefathers lived in. You should try comparing the structure to what we have today.
I think there was cultural adaptation along the line, and there are reasons why it was; security, privacy, ostentatious living, and a lot of other factors.
These things are changing though. Don't worry. When you are ready to build I believe your architect will not reject your proposal for an organic architecture.

Interesting and eye opening

It will be wrong for any architect to design based on trend or on strict public expectation

passed through an area in abuja, about 80% of the houses look the same! One would think they all use the same architect or perhaps they all used the same textbooks in university

jabolo:
Is there particular reason why our local architects don't specify the space between the roof rafters for additional rooms / storage or utilities? In other foreign climes, this is usually one cheap way of increasing the building acreage.

Happy to be educated.

See this example, lots of potential space ...
https://www.nairaland.com/3121761/step-step-construction-5-bedroom#45917596

Last year, in one of the buildings we erected the client asked for something like this but was used partly as the control room for the cctv, dstv and the luggage room, it was beautiful. I loved the idea but not at first though.

It's a good thing we are asking these questions now, they are too many buildings with kingpost as high as 6metres scatterd all over the place. This does nothing but increase the cost of roofing, materials and even diminish the character of the building, especially when taken in proportion to the overall height of the building.

Truefederalism:


This your example will work perfectly in the North. In the South however, you will only be causing yourself heartache if you insist on this roof type. Flat roofs are not very sustainable in the South.
There are everyday cases of people in the south changing from their flat roofs to pitched. You should look at their reasons for that.

http://www.archfiler.com/design-errors-factors-to-avoid/




It will be wrong for any architect to design based on trend or on strict public expectation. Even when the clients demands something that we believe cannot work, it is our duty to advise him on why we should not include it.

When we design we factors a lot of things into our projects. This is why we get pissed when people say Architects just draw lines. There is psychology, culture, art, structure, cost, maintenance, material, religion, politics, etc to be considered in all designs.

You cannot plan a space in Nigeria without considering the long term effect of such spaces on its user. What if he does not have the capacity to run air conditioners? what if something happens and say, in the next 10 years he runs out of cash? This is not a place where you have or are guaranteed steady power supply.
The high roofs you see are both to protect the building and its occupants from both rain and sun, and heat. (even though I'm not a fan of the "send down the rain" pattern)
For the idea of utilizing roof space (incorporating attics), people do it here. I have done it also. You see it mostly in buildings, bungalow or otherwise that have some sort of pent floor, and where the roof is continuous and covers both pent floor and the other.

If anything, what we should advocate is a minimalist approach to Pitches and not its total eradication.

This is what I'm talking about.

Shey e no dey rain in Arizona/Nevada/New Mexico ni?

Mrjo:
is a matter of choice our team hav done so many of that

joeleerules:


Last year, in one of the buildings we erected the client asked for something like this but was used partly as the control room for the cctv, dstv and the luggage room, it was beautiful. I loved the idea but not at first though.

Thanks Guys, and good to know there are examples out there in Nigeria.

To the extent you could share details/designs/photos etc, it would be appreciated by this forum.

EgunMogaji:


This is what I'm talking about.

Shey e no dey rain in Arizona/Nevada/New Mexico ni?

what is the frequency and velocity of their rain?