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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by bantudra: 7:53pm On Apr 19, 2017
Ugosample:


So Ojukwu just took one part of the country out, and that is not declaration of war

Don't you know that anywhere in the world, when this is done, it is declaration of war?


How can you just wake up one morning and just take out one part of the country out of the map Use your common sense na

No president will tolerate that at all.

they seem to dont understand that simple fact...biafra is a illegal dream.....

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by bantudra: 7:56pm On Apr 19, 2017
austin2all:



osikwagi n'obi.
anu mpama

i wish you could communicate your thought to your leaders

about what??....you are free to migrate to other countries but biafra on nigerian soil is impossible.....
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by swedbase(m): 8:00pm On Apr 19, 2017
bantudra:


now you are kidding...right??...their are igbo muslims all around the globe....

Idiot shut up. You fool

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by bantudra: 8:11pm On Apr 19, 2017
swedbase:


Idiot shut up. You fool

na so ehh pain you reach??.....

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by MrGerald(m): 8:13pm On Apr 19, 2017
ZombieTERROR:


God forbid bad thing
We have nothing in common
Don't be a unity beggar
Have a little shame nah
Yes we know you're his bro, one of the haters of Igbo from delta
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by Ugosample(m): 8:15pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
Go and research your history, kid. The coup that brought Gowon to power failed totally in the Eastern region, so Ojukwu and the entire Eastern region never recognized Gowon (a junior soldier) as head of state prior to the war.

So when Nigeria systematically cleansed Eastern soldiers in both North and West, massacred tens of thousands of Eastern civilians in the North, and still had the guts to mess up the Aburi accord and other peace effort, it became morally and politically mandatory for Ojukwu and the Eastern region to declare independence, since it was clear that the Federal government was against the interest and security of the people of the Eastern region.


Oga listen.....
There is no such thing as politically and morally mandatory on this matter.
Look at this thing without sentiment
Nigeria is a sovereign entity, and you don't just wake up to divide it as you wish without agreement and due process.

The fact remains that with out sentiment, declaring independence was declaration of war, Period.
Where in this world has such thing happened without war?

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by austin2all: 8:15pm On Apr 19, 2017
bantudra:


about what??....you are free to migrate to other countries but biafra on nigerian soil is impossible.....

very funny dude, sorry i dont dignify pigs with reply.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by Ugosample(m): 8:19pm On Apr 19, 2017
OjukwuWarBird:



When Nigeria was created, were the ethnic nations consulted.?

Some of you guys need to have your heads checked again

You don't force unity

You are the one who needs to reason properly.

Luggard is absolved from all responsibility of Nigeria when the founding fathers of Nigeria had the chance to split Nigeria just before independence.
But since Azikwe and co agreed that it will be in our best interest to remain together instead of splitting, thus having no secession clause and referendum clause in our constitution, how is that now Luggards fault?

You people will just be reasoning based on sentiment instead of looking at this subject matter dispassionately

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by donborg(m): 8:21pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
Igbos cannot go to war to stop notherners from seccesion. Even Zik made that point clear prior to independence.

you are just beating about the bush by being clever by half. if hassan katsina seceded, it will be an affront on the authority of the federal govt led by aguiyi ironsi who will have no choice but to quell the secessionists just like he did to adaka boro and his niger delta republic. back to ur question abt zik, the act of independence as signed by awolowo, zik and ahmadu bello strictly stipulated that d secession of any of the 3 regions was an act of treason and an act of war(this was d main reason zik neva supported biafra). ojukwu clearly knew what he was going to get when he seceeded but as a warmonger he thought it better to sacrifice millions of lives instead of playing by the rules of the game.

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by slurryeye: 8:24pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
You are lying.

Ojukwu did not declare the civil war. Gowon did. Ojukwu merely declared the independent state of Biafra - and the West was NOT part of the terriotry.

The Biafran army that moved towards Lagos was led by a Yoruba man, and Ojukwu's aim was to liberate the West from nothern domination. He thought you guys would stand up for yourselves in the West the way he was doing in the East. But obviously he over-estimated your folks.


The bolded is so funny that calling it ridiculous is an understatement. The west doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for Ojukwu to come and liberate them. The west that have been in existence before Ojukwu fore father was born doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for one 33 year old boy to come and liberate them. You see, comment like yours is the reason why people take your guys as joke.

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by modik(m): 8:25pm On Apr 19, 2017
lightblazingnow:
We must uphold







Our unity

Is marriage by force?
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by pchukwudi: 8:28pm On Apr 19, 2017
slurryeye:


The bolded is so funny that calling it ridiculous is an understatement. The west doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for Ojukwu to come and liberate then. The west that have been in existence before Ojukwu fore father was born doesn't know how to liberate themselves that they have to wait for one 33 year old boy to come and liberate them. You see, comment like yours is the reason why people take your guys has joke.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by donborg(m): 8:33pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
Go and research your history, kid. The coup that brought Gowon to power failed totally in the Eastern region, so Ojukwu and the entire Eastern region never recognized Gowon (a junior soldier) as head of state prior to the war.

So when Nigeria systematically cleansed Eastern soldiers in both North and West, massacred tens of thousands of Eastern civilians in the North, and still had the guts to mess up the Aburi accord and other peace effort, it became morally and politically mandatory for Ojukwu and the Eastern region to declare independence, since it was clear that the Federal government was against the interest and security of the people of the Eastern region.
greivances or not, killings or no killings, d fact remains that ojukwu had no authority (although he had d power) to declare biafra, just like he had no authority(although he had the power) to slap his white teacher for racially abusing a fellow black student at kings college lagos
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by pchukwudi: 8:49pm On Apr 19, 2017
No authority has the legitimacy to deprive indegineous people the right to self-determination. No law under the sun is superior to the need for preservation of lives (even if it means bearing arms to preserve those lives).

If you cannot understand those two points, then keep on fanning the embers of anarchy.

donborg:
greivances or not, killings or no killings, d fact remains that ojukwu had no authority (although he had d power) to declare biafra, just like he had no authority(although he had the power) to slap his white teacher for racially abusing a fellow black student at kings college lagos

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by fmlala: 8:49pm On Apr 19, 2017
Anyone that wants to go should and safe us space. They should just follow the right processes of secession, simple!
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by slurryeye: 8:58pm On Apr 19, 2017
modik:


Is marriage by force?

Marriage is not by force, as a matter of fact, I will be glad if you guys secede. If you want to leave a dissatisfied marriage as a wife, you have 2 options. Is either you file for divorce through court and follow the court proceedings for the separation, or you physically fight your way out of the marriage. Since secession plan is not in Nigerian constitution, the first option will be to review the constitution, vote on a referendum to include secession plan and you guys dialogue with Nigeria on how to secede. The 2nd option will be to declare your independent state under Nigeria which is a treason and engage in a war.
Ojukwu opted for the 2nd option, got beat by the husband, and forced to remain in the marriage. If you guys are conscious of history, what happened during the civil war should make you realize that physical fight is not the way to go about it. Now, the wife is taunting the husband, calling him different names and daring him to fight. And if in you guys myopic mind believe that the 2nd option of going to war is the option, can you for God sake provide a credible candidate to lead the movement and not some nonentity like Nnamdi Kanu. If Ojukwu, a well trained soldier could lead you guys to a total beatdown, what will be your fate if Nnamdi Kanu with no single military training lead you to war. Nobody wants another massacre which is the reason why many people are shouting you guys are not going about it in the wrong way. And we don't want to hear the usual cock and bull story of how Nigeria starved millions to death because I haven't seen any war where a warring party blamed the other party they are fighting war with for not feeding them except during Biafra war.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by Ugosample(m): 8:58pm On Apr 19, 2017
donborg:
you are just beating about the bush by being clever by half. if hassan katsina seceded, it will be an affront on the authority of the federal govt led by aguiyi ironsi who will have no choice but to quell the secessionists just like he did to adaka boro and his niger delta republic. back to ur question abt zik, the act of independence as signed by awolowo, zik and ahmadu bello strictly stipulated that d secession of any of the 3 regions was an act of treason and an act of war(this was d main reason zik neva supported biafra). ojukwu clearly knew what he was going to get when he seceeded but as a warmonger he thought it better to sacrifice millions of lives instead of playing by the rules of the game.

This is the same thing I have been trying to say.

Ojukwu waking up one morning to declare independence was treason, and that act was a declaration of war.
Dragged my people for 30 months in a war that obviously they were not prepared for, and oblivious of the dire consequences of yhat foolish act.

And instead of the coward to surrender months before to end the suffering of the people, he let that thing drag on, now see the mess.


That said, the sad reality of this topic is that Nigeria cannot split, as there is no provision for that in the constitution, the only way to split is war, and that is not an option because of Syria tragedy.

And as long as Britain lives, they will never assent to a U.N. backed referendum, because they will rather work with the certain, or status quo, than try out an experiment into uncertainty.

So the reality is that this country will remain the same.
We just have to work out how we can live together

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by slurryeye: 9:01pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
No authority has the legitimacy to deprive indegineous people the righr to self determination. No law under the sun is superior to the need for preservation of lives (even if it means bearing arms to preserve those lives).

If you cannot understand those two points, then keep on fanning the embers of anarchy.


Do you say right to self determination? Did Ojukwu consider that right to self determination when he lumped up other minority tribes in eastern Nigeria to a war they didn't ask for.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by donborg(m): 9:03pm On Apr 19, 2017
pchukwudi:
No authority has the legitimacy to deprive indegineous people the righr to self determination. No law under the sun is superior to the need for preservation of lives (even if it means bearing arms to preserve those lives).

If you cannot understand those two points, then keep on fanning the embers of anarchy.

killing and chasing a group of people from your land is not d same thing as invading a group of peoples land and killing them in their own land. d legitimacy that gowon needed to invade and kill in our land was if ojukwu should stupidly break d law by seceeding (which is an act of war). hassan katsina actually dared him to seceed at aburi and he foolishly obliged because he is a warmonger

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by donborg(m): 9:19pm On Apr 19, 2017
[quote author=Ugosample post=55724626]
This is the same thing I have been trying to say.
Ojukwu waking up one morning to declare independence was treason, and that act was a declaration of war.
Dragged my people for 30 months in a war that obviously they were not prepared for, and oblivious of the dire consequences of yhat foolish act.And instead of the coward to surrender months before to end the suffering of the people, he let that thing drag on, now see the messThat said, the sad reality of this topic is that Nigeria cannot split, as there is no provision for that in the constitution, the only way to split is war, and that is not an option because of Syria tragedy
And as long as Britain lives, they will never assent to a U.N. backed referendum, because they will rather work with the certain, or status quo, than try out an experiment into uncertainty.
So the reality is that this country will remain the same.
We just have to work out how we can live together Biafra shall come whether dey like it or not
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by akigbemaru: 9:28pm On Apr 19, 2017
lightblazingnow:

A popular fallacy is that prior to the advent of the colonialists, Nigeria's ethnic groups existed in self-contained cocoons of utopian bliss unburdened by the necessity of interaction with others. But many of the ethnic and regional identities which are now presumed "sacred" are in fact colonial creations. For instance, it was only after colonization, that the term "Yorubaland" began to be applied to the realms of all rulers who claim descent from Oduduwa, instead of only to the Oyo Kingdom. Before the British came, the Egba, Ijebu, Ekiti, Ijesha and Ilorin peoples fought costly interstate wars among themselves. The longest pre-colonial civil war was the sixteen year Kiriji war which was fought between Yoruba city states. Yoruba nationalism was forged by Obafemi Awolowo who rallied the descendants of Oduduwa as a political force in the new nation. Similarly, Igbos were organized into separate and autonomous republics. Many of them had scant contact with each other with some entirely oblivious of others before the advent of colonialism. Consequently, Igbos fought no wars as a collective. Igbo national consciousness was largely the handiwork of Nnamdi Azikiwe who at one point preached the manifest destiny of the Igbo in Africa. Hausa city-states co-existed through times of war and peace. Even when Uthman Dan Fodio's jihad established the Sokoto Caliphate, the new emirates were never synonymous with "the North" which was a later British invention and was fortified as a political identity by Ahmadu Bello.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by akigbemaru: 9:28pm On Apr 19, 2017
lightblazingnow:

It is intellectually lazy and astonishingly parlous thinking to suggest that the solution to our national crisis is disintegration. It is true that much life has been expended on the Nigeria project to no apparent redemptive effect but what we owe the dead and the unborn as well as ourselves is clear-minded thinking on the fate of our union rather than just emotive polemics.

The usual suggestion is that Nigeria be divided between a "Muslim North" and "Christian South" or among its so-called big three – the Hausa, Yoruba and Igbo. Beyond these imprecise propositions, there is little specificity as to what shape post-Nigerian nations would look like except perhaps for the preposterous suggestion that every ethnic group should become a nation. These arguments are fallacious. Nigeria is not and has never been a country of monolithic religious halves. Christians and Muslims are scattered in substantial proportions and ethnic variety across the country. There are Fulani Christians and Igbo Muslims. Millions of Yoruba families contain adherents of both faiths. Nigeria is far more complex and diverse than the Hausa-Yoruba-Igbo tripod. Making each ethnic group a nation throws up problems. What would we make of Ijaw communities who hug the coastline stretching from the south to the south west? The sheer diversity and interlocking spread of hundreds of ethnic nationalities makes tidy disintegration a virtually impossible proposition.

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by akigbemaru: 9:30pm On Apr 19, 2017
lightblazingnow:

Having said all this, nations are not eternal but finite, expiring when they have outlived their usefulness to history and humanity. Nigeria is no different. Nigeria does not currently face immediate disintegration but a slow and steady erosion of federal authority by sundry paramilitaries, warlords and terrorist gangs, until the nation slips inexorably into failed statehood. Already we see signs of this in the brazen terrorism of pseudo-religious extremists who seek to establish alternate governments as well as the rise of oil-bunkering pirate gangs in our southern coastal waters.

It would be a pity if we were to let Nigeria fail. No one who has studied her history, encountered her acute humanity, sampled her cultural riches and researched the dreams of her founding fathers would fail to sense her ordination for higher purposes. For us to abort this purpose would be nothing short of cosmic treason. As Eme Awa once remarked, "If we were to dissolve the federation, a future generation of people will pass the verdict that the Nigerian elites committed suicide while of unsound mind." Nigeria has not been tried and found wanting. We simply have not invested enough of our intellectual and moral energies into actualizing her promise.

Educated man I sighted you!

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by styless(f): 9:35pm On Apr 19, 2017
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by donborg(m): 9:47pm On Apr 19, 2017
bantudra:


they seem to dont understand that simple fact...biafra is a illegal dream.....
if ojukwu had played by d rules just like nnamdi kanu is doing now, we wouldve had biafra by now. if he never escaped, he would neva have been killed (another leader like nnamdi kanu would have risen if he were killed) but he will be imprisoned (just like awolowo and adaka boro) and if he neva gave up biafra, he will eventually be granted his wish just like nelson mandela was granted his wish. the problem with ojukwu was that he was never willing to personally sacrifice his liberty for the igbos which later made him to eat his vomit. he was also neither a principled man nor a man of his words. infact, he is more of a fraudster and a 419er than a leader which is d reason why nnamdi kanu was not initially trusted by d igbos when he started his quest for biafra. so far nnamdi kanu has not surrendered so hopefully, things will work out well when released
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by lightblazingnow(m): 9:53pm On Apr 19, 2017
Love
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by OjukwuWarBird: 10:05pm On Apr 19, 2017
donborg:
mind you this was before the pogroms of d igbos in northern nigeria. need i remind u also that the basis of ojukwus declaration of biafra was as a result of d killings. so answer my question objectively

Have answered your question

Ojukwu will

Ironsi I can't speak for him
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by 0dav2(m): 10:07pm On Apr 19, 2017
Our mind is sick
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by darealez(m): 10:10pm On Apr 19, 2017
BMCskullHunter:
After writing all the jargon you put up there, better start thinking about how your region will survive without Niger Delta oil because there would be none for you soon.
This is very funny. I'm earnestly praying for a breakup, just to let you realize SW is good to go. Maybe you've not realized why the second largest refinery in the world is been constructed in Lagos. You guys are right, you should be left alone. No wonder Awo did great with Cocoa money and the right mentality.
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by lightblazingnow(m): 10:20pm On Apr 19, 2017
Never ever
Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by dragonking3: 10:25pm On Apr 19, 2017
GoodMuyis:
We Hausa and Fulani Christians say No to secession. We will continue to be, our parents forbid such to happen, and God forbid it too
Which one is Fulani Christian? Better wake up to reality. Every region wants to go their way and leave you and your Fulani herdsmen brothers together in the north. I am not Igbo so don't think that it is only the igbos that want out. We are tired of this Union called Nigeria

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Re: Nigeria Will Never Break Up: Here Is Why by lightblazingnow(m): 10:26pm On Apr 19, 2017
Long live Nigerians

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