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Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:29pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
italo: Malachi Martin didn't exist? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 3:32pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
shadeyinka:I hope you know that the orthodox church broke from the catholic church btw 1054-1600s and the all have priestly robes, celibate bishops and sirach etc in their bible? d ceremonies in d catholic church are d same with those found in d catacombs! So who are ur early xtians? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 3:33pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: But one of them (Judas) sold him for 30 silver pieces, one (Peter) denied him 3 times, one (Paul) killed many Christians, one (Thomas) doubted his resurrection, and all (12) struggled to be the greatest. Who called Rome the home of forgery? Another of your imaginary ex-nuns? 1 Like |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 3:34pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Mary Ann Collins didnt exist. Alberto Rivera was never a Jesuit Priest. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Splinz(m): 3:35pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Let me add some refreshing history to this thread; to all lovers of the truth. Constantine and the Council of Nicea In the early 300s, during the time of the most severe persecution against all professing Christians, the Roman armies proclaimed their favorite general, Constantine, as Caesar. He had claimed victory after defeating his rival, Maxentius, at the Battle of Milvian Bridge outside Rome. Prior to that battle, he was said to have had a vision of the first two letters of the name of “Christ” (in Greek, chi (X) and rho (P)) and heard a voice that told him, “By this sign you will conquer.” He felt that the meaning of the letters he had seen was unmistakably symbolic of Christ and thus, he was indebted to Christianity for his victory, in spite of being an established sun worshiper. Immediately upon becoming Emperor, he issued the Edict of Toleration, which gave Christianity legality in the empire. This ended the ten years of severe persecution against the true Church, but paved the way for false Christianity to rise to prominence in the empire (“The History of the Church of God,” Kelly, part 4). Constantine recognized the benefit of aligning with the counterfeit movement—which called itself Christian. Not only was he indebted to this “power” which helped to establish him as Emperor, he saw this movement as a potential means of unifying the empire. Yet, the Christianity of the Western empire was significantly different from that in the east and from that of other sects in North Africa. Thus, Constantine took measures to “standardize” his newfound ally—Christianity (ibid.). Constantine convened the ecumenical council of Nicea in AD 325 to resolve the doctrinal differences between the various Christian denominations. Before this time, he had already decreed that the day of the sun would be kept throughout the empire. This “day of the sun” was the pivotal point to unify various pagan sun-worshippers with those nominal “Christians” who already had accepted Sunday and had never observed the Sabbath anyway—except for the apostates who defected and joined them. Thus, this entire episode was a marriage of convenience between Constantine and the Church at Rome. The council of Nicea, directed personally by Constantine, condemned the practice of true Christianity. All of the precepts of the emerging Church at Rome were now decreed as part of the state religion. As protector of this counterfeit Christianity, Constantine forced everyone, pagan or Christian, into either conformity or exile (ibid.). With the enforcement of a false religion upon them, the true Church had no choice but to flee. This was the flight prophesied in Revelation 12:6: “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” According to the day-for-a-year principle (Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:4-6), the Church was to be in the wilderness for 1,260 years from this landmark date of AD 325. NOTE: This happened during the Smyrna Era of God's Church—the second era of God's seventh Church eras (see Rev. 2 & 3) 1 Like
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Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by DoctorAlien(m): 3:37pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
italo: Judas was not converted in the heart, we know. Peter later repented and never denied Jesus again. He also did not act like a pope over the church, nor was did he claim to be lord over the monarchs of the earth. Paul killed Christians when he was still in Judaism. When he met Christ, he repented and never killed anyone again. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by shadeyinka(m): 3:37pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Their claim is that you Catholics broke away from them and became stronger |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 3:44pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: They were all sinners. Period. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Nobody: 3:45pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien: Absolutely correct.... 3 Likes |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 3:48pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
shadeyinka: What is your claim? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 4:02pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Splinz: Going by what you wrote, the true Church came back in 1585. Where is it? It is invisible abi? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 4:17pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
We have shown a list of Popes from St. Peter, we have pointed out that Carthage 397 had 73 books, we have demonstrated that the 7 books could not have been added by Catholics in 1548 because the Orthodox Church also has them. The only attempt to prove that early Christians werent Catholics is being lifted from imaginary sources. Thats very telling. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:47pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
shadeyinka:The orthodox christians actually broke away from catholicism in 1054-1600. They are the worst example you can give because orthodox also believe the roman church was began by st peter and st paul, with primacy, their doctrine are abt 90% similar to catholic. Infact the pope is going to egypt this year and the orthodox patriarch will be joining in the trip. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:52pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Please tell me the source where it is written that it was the roman church that forged the donation of constantine...which pope comissioned the forgers? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:53pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Actually yes, the christians at the time of origen use book like sirach. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by DoctorAlien(m): 4:54pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Follow the link below to find an excellently articulated piece debunking the "Pope Peter" fraud. Included in that article are quotes from even the Catholic encyclopedia admitting that the early Christians didn't see Peter as Pope, and that Damasus was the first to refer to himself as "Pope". www.excatholicsforchrist.com/articles.php?PageURL=Peter.htm |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 4:59pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:Please where is the police report that shows alberto rivera was murder by the church. or that is just one of the jack chic lies u believe. Do u also believe that the church has a big super computer that has d names of all protestants? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 4:59pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: If the Orthodox account is correct, then Pope Francis is the 265th successor of St. Peter...That is proof that early Christians were Catholics. Where will you turn now, shadeyinka? |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:02pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:who canonised the bible? [b]They didn't pray to Mary, they didn't collect indulgences, they didn't institute any office of celibate priesthood filled with homosexual priests who keep on molesting children and women who come for confession, or unholy, corrupt, greedy and immoral popes.[/quote] Oya let us begin the moral grandstanding...only catholic priest are sinner, protestants are saints. If u are looking for impecability then u are a dreamer. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 5:10pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Lol... ...and that the Church created Communism, the Ku Klux Klan, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, and Islam |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:27pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
italo:no, he is saying the true church was the arians and that d council of nicea persecuted them. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:28pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
italo:Lol, let us add buddism and african traditional religion. 1 Like |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 5:33pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:by ur reasoning It was in antioch that people where 1st called xtians, so before then, there were no Christians. 1 Like |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 5:50pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: The true Church was the arians that believed Jesus was not co-eternal with the Father? Lol...these guys are just latching unto any anti-Catholic writing on the internet without even digesting them. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by DoctorAlien(m): 5:56pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: I know you would not read that article, lest you be cured of your delusion. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Ubenedictus(m): 6:03pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
DoctorAlien:actually, whenever i discuss with people even those who i know are lying i do due diligence. i read d article top to bottom and had a good laugh. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Aizenosa(m): 6:54pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Lol I am here to read comments carefully and as usual, underline some important things. |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by Mcowubaba: 7:10pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Ubenedictus: Someone may establish something, but it may deviate from the original concept and idealogy, especially when the founder is no longer available (physically or otherwise) . In simpler terms, Jesus Christ establish Christianity, many denomination have come from it, Catholic just happened to be amongst first denominations that came into existence from Christianity. UAC, created the gala concept and idea, but today many other companies have created their own type of gala (biggie, rite etc), it all originated from the concept of UAC. Another example Seun created Nairaland, if for some reason he is no longer physically available to pilot the affairs of Nairaland, the person who will take over, may change many things about Nairaland, which was never in Seun's plan or idea, and S.eun where ever he will be, will not be happy about this Same applies to Christianity, Jesus Christ created Christianity, but many other individuals have created their OWN concept of Christianity. Almost all denominations in Nigeria are guilty of this, Catholic inclusive. Something being old or ancient Don't make it Right or Legitimate!!!!! ... Catholics have been adoring and praising Mary since centuries, nd bowing down to sculptures, but that is not RIGHT JESUS CHRIST did not create Catholic Church, rather some early Christians created Catholic Church using the Christian concept. Show me any evidence that a Jesus Christ is a Catholic or he created Catholic Church denomination.. Jesus Christ rightly said, I'm the way the truth and the life, no one cometh to the Father except through me... I don't know where Catholics saw Mary in the text, I never heard when Jesus Christ said people should ask Mary to intercede for them to the father or to him.. You guys will always say at the wedding at Cana , Mary begged Jesus Christ for a Miracle The Holy trinity is God the Father, God the son, God the Holy Spirit... Mary name no dey diaaa Catholics like many other Denominations are Brainwashed people deluding themselves. Making mockery of Christianity (Pun intended). I'm a lapsed Catholic, I know almost everything about the Catholic Church, Catholic Church is Far from Christianity 1 Like |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by easymancfc(m): 7:37pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Mcowubaba: Oh.. So you know everything.. Please give the Part of the Catechism where the Catholic Church teaches that its followers should ADORE MARY... please I need the Paragraph number... am curious... prove it using the Catechism which contains all Catholic teachings |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by aminu790(m): 7:41pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
italo: |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by aminu790(m): 7:48pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
Re: Were The Early Christians Roman Catholics? by italo: 7:50pm On Apr 22, 2017 |
easymancfc:Me too. I'm waiting. |
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