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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 7:28am On Apr 24, 2017 |
bigkesh: no, on the ball I think neymar is better, he was all tricks and flicks until Barcelona told him to be more direct, not disputing hazard's ability on the ball though worthy mention Sanchez 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:33am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Chelsea's Eden Hazard can become "unstoppable" and is second only to Lionel Messi in ability, according to team-mate Cesc Fabregas. The Belgian has rediscovered the scintillating form of Chelsea's last title-winning season, in 2014/15, to fire the Blues to the top of the Premier League and towards a possible double after coming off the bench to help his side beat Tottenham 4-2 in the FA Cup semi-final at Wembley on Saturday. Chelsea vs So'ton April 25, 2017, 7:30pm Live on Get Sky Sports Get a Sky Sports pass The 26-year-old scored Chelsea's third against Spurs for his 15th goal of the season, and Fabregas, who was a team-mate of Messi's at Barcelona, says Hazard can get even better if he becomes more selfish in front of goal. Hazard is second only in ability to Lionel Messi, says Fabregas "Eden can be whatever he wants to be," Fabregas said. "Ability wise, there is only one player above him and we all know who he is: Messi. "Sometimes when we have a counter attack and it's two against two and he passes the ball, I tell him, 'You have the capability to score by yourself. Do it'. Hazard scored for Chelsea against Tottenham "He has to do it more often. I've told him many, many times, he needs to be selfish sometimes and have that killer instinct to score more goals. I hope - and I'm sure - he will improve in the future. And then he will be unstoppable." Chelsea are four points clear of Tottenham and, should they hold on and clinch the title, they can achieve the double for the first time since 2009/10 under Carlo Ancelotti, and in Antonio Conte's first season, with FA Cup final victory over Arsenal on May 27. Fabregas is eyeing the double with Chelsea "It's something special and it's something very difficult to do," Fabregas said. "Nowadays, especially here in England. Because in Spain you can do it. In Germany you can do it. In Italy. Doing it here would be something special, something to be very proud of. But to be able to do that, first of all we have to work very hard. "Secondly, sometimes you need a bit of luck. Definitely we need to be very, very consistent until the end of the season. It's a heavyweight week of action live only on Sky Sports. Fabregas also came off the bench against Spurs, but he says, whether starting or not, the Chelsea squad is united. "What I like is that we scored the first goal and everyone on the bench was together and celebrating," he added. "[But] coming on to make a difference, to show character, to show hunger to win... we're full of winners and I'm proud to be here." www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10848821/chelseas-eden-hazard-is-second-only-to-lionel-messi-in-ability-says-cesc-fabregas |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:54am On Apr 24, 2017 |
bigkesh:lol |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 7:56am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime:The Barclays player of the Season. Hazard won it in 2015. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:02am On Apr 24, 2017 |
If costa no go China make i know wetin cause am. www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/10844402/tianjin-quanjian-working-to-sign-diego-costa-from-chelsea-sky-sources |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:03am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: My nigga, I'm telling you that award is as irrelevant as the k in knife. PFA is the only koko, followed by FWA. You can ask anyone based in UK. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:09am On Apr 24, 2017 |
dopeJemi:do you mean the Sanchez that is most dispossessed player in the league? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:11am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: Hazard doesn't make the runs to score 25 goals a season, much less 40 needed to start comparing yourself to such names. Secondly if he is passing instead of shooting, his assist should be close to 40 if Fabregas argument is that he assists instead of scoring. The above quote is pie in the sky. He is far far away, even if he became selfish and converted all his assists to goals, he wouldn't have much to compare himself with Messi and CR7. I'm sorry, that's just the truth. Hardly will you see Hazard making the kind of run that Messi made for the winning goal yesterday, or that Alli made for the equaliser on Saturday. That's what gets you to 30 goals, not super stories that you should convert your paltry 10 assists into goals. Hazard got a lot of improving to do on timing his runs and anticipation if he wants to hang with the big dogs. 14 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Greatihex(m): 8:36am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime:To be honest, I am yet to understand how hazard creates one of the highest number of chances in Europe and still have less number of assists. This your ranking of players based on only stats alone has been found wanting a lot of times and the case of Iniesta is still one of them. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:55am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Greatihex: The Messis and CR7s, Neymar, Suarez and Bales are there based on stats, don't let that fool you. If CR7 or Messi score only 15 goals next season, they will lose their crown, it's that simple. That's who Hazard is competing with. What you call "stats" are actually game-winning goals and assists. Eunuch is the only special case whose case is different. He is blessed and highly favoured. Hazard must improve his runs. Hardly will you see Hazard scoring tapins, or goals where he only needs one touch. Most of his goals involve dribbling a man or two before finishing. Until he starts making those runs he should forget comparison with the top dogs. Pedro is about to outscore him two seasons in a row without penalties. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by patrickmuf(m): 10:05am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist:In similar scenarios seasons ago, we've seen Kompany pushed up to play as an auxiliary CF for route one football but no, Pep thinks otherwise... Don't know what his fueling his obsession for tiki-taka but he is losing it. Funny enough, I have seen him push Pique up before, don't know why he just doesn't fancy it anymore, maybe down to his ego after berating other coaches for doing same. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 10:09am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime:remove bale abeg.. Dude is just occupying the left wing for nothing.. Asensio looks more of a better player than that dude sef.. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LogoDWhiz(m): 10:22am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Nah, it's not.. it's actually very important.. The award cut across different sectors of the football world while PFA is just by fellow players |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 10:28am On Apr 24, 2017 |
LogoDWhiz: Maybe that's what the sponsors will sell to you abroad watching on Supersport or Fox Soccer so Barclays can get their reputation up. In UK, only one award counts and that's PFA. I won't be surprised if UK media like BBC don't report on Premier League Awards sef, or it might barely get a mention. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LogoDWhiz(m): 10:43am On Apr 24, 2017 |
SIRcumalot: I concur. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 10:53am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: The emboldened is not true. Fabegas was not talking about final passes. There are moments hazard would pass balls to the person who gives the final assist to the goal scorer when he could have done it all alone and score. Also how did you expect hazard to have 40 asists with costa and others misfiring from all cylinders in a league most teams park buses? I can list more than 30 final passes from hazard, 15 of which stars in barca and real would have buried. Fab was trying to let him know he could do it alone. Ronaldo is one of the most selfish players in the game but people overlook this area because he has mastered it well as he put the selfishness into great use. This is what fab was telling hazard that with time he could reach such perfection. Ask most strikers, they would tell you their coaches had told them to be selfish in front of goal in training. The mentality made hazard to score that goal against arsenal not waiting for strikers to get into positions and pass. Fab is a professional footballer and i understand where he's coming from, i am not surprised you couldn't relate with his point of view. Trust me those who have played football at top level will tell you fab was right. 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LogoDWhiz(m): 10:56am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: As expected, twist like a snake.. This award is very important. I believe you know about the Monthly awards and how important it is, but all of a sudden you don't want to regard the main one - the Player of the Year |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:02am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: I actually made this point about Hazard at the start of the season and it's very true. Hazard needs to be more selfish in his game. Unfortunately, he somehow feels that he carrys the burden of creating chances for the team. If hazard chose to pass less and shoot more, he would be unstoppable. Statistically the main difference between Hazard and Messi/Ronaldo is the volume and rate of shots. Everything else is not so disimmilar 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:06am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: You are wrong mate. Fabregas said he would rather pass than score in a 2-on-1 situation. I expect 50% of 2-on-1 situations to lead to a goal, so unless you show me 20 assists that Hazard made from 2-on-1 situations, this is just pie-in-the-sky theory. Where I do know Hazard is falling short is in scoring the easy goals - making the run beyond the defence for a first-time finish. Ororo, Messi etc are chopping 20 of these per season, and Hazard is chopping little or none. That is where the difference in goals lies for the most part, not cos he passed the ball in a 2-on-1 situation. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:08am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: You will hardly see the likes of Messi, Neymar, Robben et al, running off the ball and waiting for tapins. These are players who like to get on the ball, collecting it in deeper areas and running at their opponents. The difference between Messi, Neymar, Robben on one hand and Hazard on the other, is that the first group of players will dribble two players and shoot. Hazard will dribble two players and pass the ball. CR7 and Suarez does not play the same game as Messi and Neymar. You hardly see Ororo running with the ball like Messi and Neymar. Ororo barely even attempts takeons these days. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:09am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: Dude used to shoot from outside the box seasons ago, just don't know why he isn't trying anymore. He needs to work on that seriously. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:09am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark:guy everything you wrote here is the truth... |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:12am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: If you count the number of first-time finishes for Messi, Ororo etc, I am sure you will find a 20 goal difference to Hazard. Robben is a special case, but then Robben scores maybe 5 goals more than Hazard a season. Robben is more efficient at dribble and shoot, but the major difference between Ororo, Messi, even Alli and Griezman vs Hazard is that they also get the easy goals from running behind which Hazard doesn't. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:16am On Apr 24, 2017 |
LogoDWhiz: I believe 20 years of living in UK puts me in a better position to know which award is top dog or not. I don't have any sporting interest except football or boxing, so I should know which is which after 20 years. If you like, you can ask Nihilist or Nateevs. I don't know how EPL football is packaged for you abroad, maybe the sponsors put their name over the whole thing, but PFA is THE main award. Premier League award is only used for monthly award and is not referenced as anything of significance for the yearly award. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 11:16am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist:all these are the truth about hazards game play |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:20am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Messi and Neymar don't run in behind that much. I don't know if you've been watching barca this season, but on the Barca thread you will see many Barca fans saying Messi is playing in central midfield these days. That's how deep he's coming to collect the ball. Neymar also stays posted wide and then runs with the ball at his full back. You don't often see neymar making off the ball runs in behind. That's why Neymar, Messi, and Hazard have such high dribble per game numbers - 5.6.,3.7 and 4.8 respectively. Because they always have to beat the men in front of them before they can shoot. Suarez that does most of the running off the ball at Barca makes only 1 dribble per game. 0.4 in the UCL. The difference is that while Neymar takes 3.5 shots per game, and Messi takes 5.3 shots per game....Hazard only takes 2.1 shots per game. That's what Fabregas is talking about. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:23am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: I stated it weeks back that hazard needed to be running into scoring positions and i could see he is working on that. Now to the emboldened, will you rate pedro over hazard if he outscores hazard this season? There must be a reason you wont dare it. Hazard in a madrid shirt would improve with his numbers, with more quality players behind him, thats a fact. Greatihex: Thats why fab advised him to be more selfish. Not just trying to pull that arsenal's stunt once in a blue moon. Fab advised him to minimise his passes and thats the way to go. In the past benzema would be waiting for ronaldo's pass to tap in, trust ororo he would ignore the fat fool and pull the trigger and score. Benz had no choice than to celebrate with him. This is the art fab was advising hazard on, and believes he could perfect and no one will blame him. What distinguishes top players are not tap-ins but the importance and quality of goals scored. If it's by number of goals, cavani should make top 3 in ballon d'or next year. bigkesh: ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:23am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: This is actually true. PFA award is the main award here in UK and covers down to League 2 I think. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:25am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: Are you willing to bet that if we count Messis goals, we wont find 20 first time finishes? Yesterday was one, just by making the right run. When Neymar is dribbling, Messi is making the run. When Messi is dribbling, Neymar will be making the run. Dropping deep doesn't mean he doesn't make the run. It even helps him arrive late like yesterday, or like Alli has been doing all season. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:26am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Messi's first goal yeterday, you know that Hazard would have try to square the ball to Costa or someone else. That guy needs more slaps to make him more ruthless in front of goal. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:27am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: No, I'm not rating him over Hazard. I'm just showing you how the right off-the-ball movements can help Hazard score more. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by LogoDWhiz(m): 11:28am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Well, how sure are you that i am not in the UK.. But then, it's all good. You don't know of its existence before, now you do. |
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