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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:30am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: Most times Hazard will not make that run in the first place. He needs to learn those runs from Raumdeuter, and by that I mean Thomas Muller, not Apari. 7 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 11:37am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Hehehe. I need to see what Dayo looks like. Someone mentioned on this board years ago that he is one lanky bean-pole of a nigga. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:37am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: I'm not discounting that at all. I'm just pointing out the difference between Hazard and Messi. I think the second line of your post hits the nail on the head. Nobody else at Chelsea is doing the creative work, except maybe Fabregas and Willian, and neither of them is a starter. Apart from hazard, nobody else in that first 11 wants to hold the ball and create chances, they all just run a lot off the ball, and so hazard believes that he must assume that mantle. maybe if donkey Matic was good enough... If you look at the Shooting Stats, you'll see that Neymar and Messi are shooting a lot more from outside the box(1.3 and 2.2 shots respectively) than Hazard is(0.7 shots), so it's not really positional runs that are improving the volume of their shots. Those dudes just like to shoot a lot, whereas Hazard likes to pass. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Chelseafan1: 11:37am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: No truer words than these. Raumdeuter, any objection? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 11:38am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Messi had to dribble 2 guys to take the shot though. It's not like he ran into open space. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:42am On Apr 24, 2017 |
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 11:45am On Apr 24, 2017 |
lordfalcao: Nihilist: Thats right. The guy needs to be talked to. I read one interview he said he wanted to win epl ahead of tottenham because he didnt want dembele and co to mock him after the season. I feel like slapping him. He needs more people like fab to talk to him everytime. Most great goals messi scored are solo goals and you dont score them by not being selfish. Against bilbao, the moment he dribbled his way into the box, his mind was made up to pull the trigger. Shoot! shoot!! shoot!!! Ibime: Below is one of the reasons fab advised hazard. Also the reason hazard's assists is not up there. Experts know all these, not rushing to whoscored to check number of assists and wield the big stick. [img]https:///media/4-24-2017/HAQIme.gif[/img] |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:46am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: I'm talking about his 2nd goal. That was a first-time finish, just by making the right run to create space. If that was Hazard, instead of making the right run in the box, he might have made a run to go and join Andre Gomes to help build up play instead. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:52am On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: That is the right choice. Obviously you see 3 men in his path to goal. There is no reason to take the shot there. Maybe only Ororo or Robben would attempt the shot. Statistically where Hazard is falling short is the runs into the box for the easy goals, not because he didn't attempt to dribble 3 men and shoot in this kind of situation. That plays a part, but only a minor part. It cannot give him more than 5 more goals per season if he starts dribbling and shoot in situations like these. What he needs to bridge the 30 goal gap between him and the top-dogs is more tapins and penalty box finishes. You can't tell me Hazard is on 11 or 12 goals and Messi is on nearly 50, and Hazard needs to score 30 dribble-and-score goals to bridge the gap. That's impossible for even Messi. What he needs is the tapins, and the easy finishes. 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 11:57am On Apr 24, 2017 |
Nihilist: I'm not sure about that. Most of these type of goals are from cutbacks, rather than throughballs from midfield. Yesterday it was Jordi Alba I believe cutting the ball back to Messi. Griezmann does the same at Atletico and you can't really point to any major star feeding him. Lampard did the same for years with Malouda and Kalou etc. These kind of goals are usually team goals from overlaps and overloads, you make the right run and BAM! |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:06pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: A right choice that robbed him of an assist and keeps getting him bashed for not having the numbers like messi and ronaldo. Fab had the below gif in mind. [img]https:///media/4-24-2017/nnP1v9.gif[/img] |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 12:24pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Chelseafan1: Hazard lacks the ability to do it simple. If it was that easy every player will be doing it. Hazard is at the playing level of a local champion. He doesn't have the mentality of a winner. 90th minute your team needs a goal. I know the type of players I will love to be on the ball and hazard isn't one of them |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:26pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: Can he do this 40 times per season to bridge the gap to Messi et al. . . . or is the statistical shortfall in the 20-30 easy goals that Messi and co get that he doesn't. The answer is clear as daylight. Even Messi can't score 40 goals like this every season. Goals come in all shapes and sizes but Hazard only scores one type of goal which is the worldie. His mates are padding their worldies with tapins, headers, cutbacks, poaching, bundling the ball, near-post runs, volleys etc. And you get those other type of goals with good movement which Hazard is yet to master. Hazard can't score 40 worldies per season even if his name is Pele. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:40pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Griffon: He is African Peter Crouch, but now with potbelly and bald head. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 12:51pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: What sorta description is this Ibime? Why evils? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 12:53pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime: Messi and ronaldo never scored 40 worldies per season. What fab is saying is that hazard should be less-predictable by passing most of the time. In the gif above, if hazard had given willian the pass, you would have said that was the best choice, but he didnt and scored. If he had missed that goal probably i would have joined to blast him for not giving willian that through pass. More of that is what fab wants, because thats what ronaldo and co do. Against city at ettihad he ran and scored the 3rd goal, it's not that he doesnt run but how many of our players have fab eyes to spot it everytime he runs and who will be thereto be as creative as he is for the team? Kante gave him against bournemouth and he buried it. If he scores 6 worldies, 8 penalties and 10 shots like nihilist demanded, that's not a bad stat in epl. He doesn't need 40 worldies to join the bests. Despite haters calling ronaldo, penaldo, he is still being respected.All we want is for him to change his goal scoring mentality. Spurs were thinking he would be romancing the ball when he fired them out of fa cup. Fab's selfishness advice is not about dribbling 3 players to score alone. Ignoring others and finding a way to shoot at goal is included. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 1:05pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: With the current state of World football, I think he needs at least 30 goals to join the best in WPOTY reckoning. If he scores say 20 and Belgium win the World Cup or Euros, maybe. But he will never be among the best scoring 15 or so. There is another 15 goals for him at least with better movement if he wants to go beastmode and join the best. That gap will not be covered by dribbling and shooting more, but by the easier goals from movement that his mates are enjoying. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dopeJemi: 1:19pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Greatihex: I think that shi.t started recently, it wasn't like that in the beginning and last season |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Upnepaa(m): 1:25pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
I don't think Hazard has the mentality of winning the balloon'd or or compete with the big men, As in he might be not be seeing things the way we see it, Maybe he's already made up his mind to be a good Samaritan like the Xavi and ozil of this world,These players can assist there teammate to the footballer of the year award gala every year and be happy scoring paltry no. goals. I remembered him saying in an interview that he is not just the guy to score that many goals. Surely,looking at his quality he should be scoring like 30+ goals per season if he really wanna be competing with his mates,He has the ability of scoring the messi-esque/solo goals (goals against Arsenal,Burnley,Everton this season and against soton last season I think are testimonies) but I think he just lacks that confidence sometimes and the selfish will to score goals,that affected his performance last season. But the point is he needs to score more in other to become more relevant like his mates,bcus as an attacker in this modern day,your qualities are always measured by the no. of goals you scored,and if player like dries mateens is having 25+ goals a season, then Hazard should have something close or more. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by weedtaker: 2:02pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
he's not world class. simples 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 2:04pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
This is why people say Hazard is over rated. Do you people think it is beans to score goals at CR7 and Messi levels? There is a reason why those 2 at their peak rewrote the record books. There is no amount of training or tweaking that can make Hazard as prolific as these 2 guys.....he does not have the ability. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by weedtaker: 2:08pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
afrodoc2:like ma mans 1 Like
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:28pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
afrodoc2: Simple you think say na beans to be scoring 30 goals steady every season, No amount of selfishness or training can make Hazard do it. Someone like Neymar can do it, Robben can do it, Sanchez can do it, Griezman can do it, because they have a goal scorer ability and mentality Hazard doesnt |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by wonlasewonimi: 2:32pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Griffon: I have seen his picture somewhere on NL before. I can dig it out sometime if I have the time. He is not bald though, I don't know why they call him apari |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:36pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
afrodoc2: Wasn't it shocking that a weedtaker corrected a doctor?. The problem is his mentality not ability. Ask dayo what he did to his 3 legends in 3 secs. Few players scored more brilliant goals against De gea than hazard. Man city and tottenham will want him on sick bed while playing chelsea. We dont need to tell you it's not an ability thingy. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by raumdeuter: 2:44pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
airmark: Wilfred Zaha, Quaresma, Bolasie, Mirralas on occasions will dribble top class players and score goals too, |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 2:45pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
raumdeuter: show me their videos, sodomising 3 legends from ucl defending champions in a cup final? 1000 usd will be yours today. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:08pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
raumdeuter: You too like to turn amala..... Tell me the difference btw queresma n cr7 burda dayo..but training won't change anything now because it is hazard. You must be as dudu as the amala made from the back of yams |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by diggz: 3:10pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
weedtaker: Blood of Messi! Not adabowale plssss |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 3:13pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
diggz:u mean ball of messi |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 3:19pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
Ibime:Bro forget those yarn. Remember we are talking of epl here. Since Hazard came to chelsea he has been deployed to play RMF in 4-2-3-1 formation bar this season so his primary duty has been to assist the midfield in creativity coupled with mou defensive game. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by weedtaker: 3:29pm On Apr 24, 2017 |
hensben:shoo, na 2017 we de o dis crap never tire you? 1 Like |
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