Nihilist:
Messi's first goal yeterday, you know that Hazard would have try to square the ball to Costa or someone else.

That guy needs more slaps to make him more ruthless in front of goal.

Most times Hazard will not make that run in the first place.

He needs to learn those runs from Raumdeuter, and by that I mean Thomas Muller, not Apari.

Ibime:


Most times Hazard will not make that run in the first place.

He needs to learn those runs from Raumdeuter, and by that I mean Thomas Muller, not Apari.

Hehehe. I need to see what Dayo looks like. Someone mentioned on this board years ago that he is one lanky bean-pole of a nigga.

Ibime:


Are you willing to bet that if we count Messis goals, we wont find 20 first time finishes? Yesterday was one, just by making the right run.

When Neymar is dribbling, Messi is making the run. When Messi is dribbling, Neymar will be making the run.

Dropping deep doesn't mean he doesn't make the run. It even helps him arrive late like yesterday, or like Alli has been doing all season.

I'm not discounting that at all. I'm just pointing out the difference between Hazard and Messi.

I think the second line of your post hits the nail on the head. Nobody else at Chelsea is doing the creative work, except maybe Fabregas and Willian, and neither of them is a starter. Apart from hazard, nobody else in that first 11 wants to hold the ball and create chances, they all just run a lot off the ball, and so hazard believes that he must assume that mantle. maybe if donkey Matic was good enough...

If you look at the Shooting Stats, you'll see that Neymar and Messi are shooting a lot more from outside the box(1.3 and 2.2 shots respectively) than Hazard is(0.7 shots), so it's not really positional runs that are improving the volume of their shots. Those dudes just like to shoot a lot, whereas Hazard likes to pass.

Nihilist:


You will hardly see the likes of Messi, Neymar, Robben et al, running off the ball and waiting for tapins.
These are players who like to get on the ball, collecting it in deeper areas and running at their opponents.

The difference between Messi, Neymar, Robben on one hand and Hazard on the other, is that the first group of players will dribble two players and shoot. Hazard will dribble two players and pass the ball.

CR7 and Suarez does not play the same game as Messi and Neymar. You hardly see Ororo running with the ball like Messi and Neymar. Ororo barely even attempts takeons these days.

No truer words than these. Raumdeuter, any objection?

Ibime:


Most times Hazard will not make that run in the first place.

He needs to learn those runs from Raumdeuter, and by that I mean Thomas Muller, not Apari.

Messi had to dribble 2 guys to take the shot though. It's not like he ran into open space.

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lordfalcao:
all these are the truth about hazards game play

Nihilist:


I actually made this point about Hazard at the start of the season and it's very true. Hazard needs to be more selfish in his game. Unfortunately, he somehow feels that he carrys the burden of creating chances for the team.

If hazard chose to pass less and shoot more, he would be unstoppable. Statistically the main difference between Hazard and Messi/Ronaldo is the volume and rate of shots. Everything else is not so disimmilar

Thats right. The guy needs to be talked to. I read one interview he said he wanted to win epl ahead of tottenham because he didnt want dembele and co to mock him after the season. I feel like slapping him. He needs more people like fab to talk to him everytime. Most great goals messi scored are solo goals and you dont score them by not being selfish. Against bilbao, the moment he dribbled his way into the box, his mind was made up to pull the trigger. Shoot! shoot!! shoot!!!

Ibime:


You are wrong mate. Fabregas said he would rather pass than score in a 2-on-1 situation. I expect 50% of 2-on-1 situations to lead to a goal, so unless you show me 20 assists that Hazard made from 2-on-1 situations, this is just pie-in-the-sky theory.

Where I do know Hazard is falling short is in scoring the easy goals - making the run beyond the defence for a first-time finish. Ororo, Messi etc are chopping 20 of these per season, and Hazard is chopping little or none. That is where the difference in goals lies for the most part, not cos he passed the ball in a 2-on-1 situation.

Below is one of the reasons fab advised hazard. Also the reason hazard's assists is not up there. Experts know all these, not rushing to whoscored to check number of assists and wield the big stick.

[img]https:///media/4-24-2017/HAQIme.gif[/img]

Nihilist:


Messi had to dribble 2 guys to take the shot though. It's not like he ran into open space.

I'm talking about his 2nd goal. That was a first-time finish, just by making the right run to create space.

If that was Hazard, instead of making the right run in the box, he might have made a run to go and join Andre Gomes to help build up play instead.

airmark:


Below is one of the reasons fab advised hazard. Also the reason hazard's assists is not up there. Experts know all these, not rushing to whoscored to check number of assists and wield the big stick.

[img]https:///media/4-24-2017/HAQIme.gif[/img]

That is the right choice. Obviously you see 3 men in his path to goal. There is no reason to take the shot there. Maybe only Ororo or Robben would attempt the shot.

Statistically where Hazard is falling short is the runs into the box for the easy goals, not because he didn't attempt to dribble 3 men and shoot in this kind of situation. That plays a part, but only a minor part. It cannot give him more than 5 more goals per season if he starts dribbling and shoot in situations like these. What he needs to bridge the 30 goal gap between him and the top-dogs is more tapins and penalty box finishes.

You can't tell me Hazard is on 11 or 12 goals and Messi is on nearly 50, and Hazard needs to score 30 dribble-and-score goals to bridge the gap. That's impossible for even Messi. What he needs is the tapins, and the easy finishes.

Nihilist:


I'm not discounting that at all. I'm just pointing out the difference between Hazard and Messi.

I think the second line of your post hits the nail on the head. Nobody else at Chelsea is doing the creative work, except maybe Fabregas and Willian, and neither of them is a starter. Apart from hazard, nobody else in that first 11 wants to hold the ball and create chances, they all just run a lot off the ball, and so hazard believes that he must assume that mantle. maybe if donkey Matic was good enough...

If you look at the Shooting Stats, you'll see that Neymar and Messi are shooting a lot more from outside the box(1.3 and 2.2 shots respectively) than Hazard is(0.7 shots), so it's not really positional runs that are improving the volume of their shots. Those dudes just like to shoot a lot, whereas Hazard likes to pass.

I'm not sure about that. Most of these type of goals are from cutbacks, rather than throughballs from midfield. Yesterday it was Jordi Alba I believe cutting the ball back to Messi.

Griezmann does the same at Atletico and you can't really point to any major star feeding him.

Lampard did the same for years with Malouda and Kalou etc. These kind of goals are usually team goals from overlaps and overloads, you make the right run and BAM!

Ibime:


That is the right choice. Obviously you see 3 men in his path to goal. There is no reason to take the shot there. Maybe only Ororo or Robben would attempt the shot.

Statistically where Hazard is falling short is the runs into the box for the easy goals, not because he didn't attempt to dribble 3 men and shoot in this kind of situation. That plays a part, but only a minor part. It cannot give him more than 5 more goals per season if he starts dribbling and shoot in situations like these. What he needs to bridge the 30 goal gap between him and the top-dogs is more tapins and penalty box finishes.

You can't tell me Hazard is on 11 or 12 goals and Messi is on nearly 50, and Hazard needs to score 30 dribble-and-score goals to bridge the gap. That's impossible for even Messi. What he needs is the tapins, and the easy finishes.

A right choice that robbed him of an assist and keeps getting him bashed for not having the numbers like messi and ronaldo. Fab had the below gif in mind.

[img]https:///media/4-24-2017/nnP1v9.gif[/img]

Chelseafan1:


No truer words than these. Rumdeuter, any objection?

Hazard lacks the ability to do it simple. If it was that easy every player will be doing it.

Hazard is at the playing level of a local champion. He doesn't have the mentality of a winner.

90th minute your team needs a goal. I know the type of players I will love to be on the ball and hazard isn't one of them

airmark:


A right choice that robbed him of an assist and keep getting him bashed for not having the numbers like messi and ronaldo. Fab had the below gif in mind.

[img]https:///media/4-24-2017/nnP1v9.gif[/img]

Can he do this 40 times per season to bridge the gap to Messi et al. . . . or is the statistical shortfall in the 20-30 easy goals that Messi and co get that he doesn't.

The answer is clear as daylight. Even Messi can't score 40 goals like this every season.

Goals come in all shapes and sizes but Hazard only scores one type of goal which is the worldie. His mates are padding their worldies with tapins, headers, cutbacks, poaching, bundling the ball, near-post runs, volleys etc. And you get those other type of goals with good movement which Hazard is yet to master. Hazard can't score 40 worldies per season even if his name is Pele.

Griffon:


Hehehe. I need to see what Dayo looks like. Someone mentioned on this board years ago that he is one lanky bean-pole of a nigga.

He is African Peter Crouch, but now with potbelly and bald head.

Ibime:


He is African Peter Crouch, but now with potbelly and bald head.

What sorta description is this Ibime?

Why evils?

Ibime:


Can he do this 40 times per season to bridge the gap to Messi et al. . . . or is the statistical shortfall in the 20-30 easy goals that Messi and co get that he doesn't.

The answer is clear as daylight. Even Messi can't score 40 goals like this every season.

Goals come in all shapes and sizes but Hazard only scores one type of goal which is the worldie. His mates are padding their worldies with tapins, headers, cutbacks, poaching, volleys etc. And you get those other type of goals with good movement which Hazard is yet to master. Hazard can't score 40 worldies per season even if his name is Pele.

Messi and ronaldo never scored 40 worldies per season. What fab is saying is that hazard should be less-predictable by passing most of the time. In the gif above, if hazard had given willian the pass, you would have said that was the best choice, but he didnt and scored. If he had missed that goal probably i would have joined to blast him for not giving willian that through pass. More of that is what fab wants, because thats what ronaldo and co do. Against city at ettihad he ran and scored the 3rd goal, it's not that he doesnt run but how many of our players have fab eyes to spot it everytime he runs and who will be thereto be as creative as he is for the team? Kante gave him against bournemouth and he buried it. If he scores 6 worldies, 8 penalties and 10 shots like nihilist demanded, that's not a bad stat in epl. He doesn't need 40 worldies to join the bests. Despite haters calling ronaldo, penaldo, he is still being respected.All we want is for him to change his goal scoring mentality. Spurs were thinking he would be romancing the ball when he fired them out of fa cup. Fab's selfishness advice is not about dribbling 3 players to score alone. Ignoring others and finding a way to shoot at goal is included.

airmark:


Messi and ronaldo never scored 40 worldies per season. What fab is saying is that hazard should be less-predictable by passing most of the time. In the gif above, if hazard had given willian the pass, you would have said that was the best choice, but he didnt and scored. If he had missed that goal probably i would have joined to blast him for not giving willian that through pass. More of that is what fab wants, because thats what ronaldo and co do. Against city at ettihad he ran and scored the 3rd goal, it's not that he doesnt run but how many of our players have fab eyes to spot it everytime he runs and who will be thereto be as creative as he is for the team? Kante gave him against bournemouth and he buried it. If he scores 6 worldies, 8 penalties and 10 shots like nihilist demanded, that's not a bad stat in epl. He doesn't need 40 worldies to join the bests. Despite haters calling ronaldo, penaldo, he is still being respected.All we want is for him to change his goal scoring mentality. Spurs were thinking he would be romancing the ball when he fired them out of fa cup. Fab's selfishness advice is not about dribbling 3 players to score alone. Ignoring others and inding a way to shoot at goal is included.

With the current state of World football, I think he needs at least 30 goals to join the best in WPOTY reckoning.

If he scores say 20 and Belgium win the World Cup or Euros, maybe.

But he will never be among the best scoring 15 or so.

There is another 15 goals for him at least with better movement if he wants to go beastmode and join the best. That gap will not be covered by dribbling and shooting more, but by the easier goals from movement that his mates are enjoying.

Greatihex:
do you mean the Sanchez that is most dispossessed player in the league?

I think that shi.t started recently, it wasn't like that in the beginning and last season

I don't think Hazard has the mentality of winning the balloon'd or or compete with the big men, As in he might be not be seeing things the way we see it,



Maybe he's already made up his mind to be a good Samaritan like the Xavi and ozil of this world,These players can assist there teammate to the footballer of the year award gala every year and be happy scoring paltry no. goals.
I remembered him saying in an interview that he is not just the guy to score that many goals.




Surely,looking at his quality he should be scoring like 30+ goals per season if he really wanna be competing with his mates,He has the ability of scoring the messi-esque/solo goals (goals against Arsenal,Burnley,Everton this season and against soton last season I think are testimonies) but I think he just lacks that confidence sometimes and the selfish will to score goals,that affected his performance last season.


But the point is he needs to score more in other to become more relevant like his mates,bcus as an attacker in this modern day,your qualities are always measured by the no. of goals you scored,and if player like dries mateens is having 25+ goals a season, then Hazard should have something close or more.

he's not world class. simples

This is why people say Hazard is over rated.
Do you people think it is beans to score goals at CR7 and Messi levels? There is a reason why those 2 at their peak rewrote the record books.
There is no amount of training or tweaking that can make Hazard as prolific as these 2 guys.....he does not have the ability.

afrodoc2:
This is why people say Hazard is over rated.
Do you people think it is beans to score goals at CR7 and Ronaldo levels? There is a reason why those 2 at their peak rewrote the record books.
There is no amount of training or tweaking that can make Hazard as prolific as these 2 guys.....he does not have the ability ELITE MENTALITY .

like ma mans

afrodoc2:
This is why people say Hazard is over rated.
Do you people think it is beans to score goals at CR7 and Ronaldo levels? There is a reason why those 2 at their peak rewrote the record books.
There is no amount of training or tweaking that can make Hazard as prolific as these 2 guys.....he does not have the ability.

Simple you think say na beans to be scoring 30 goals steady every season, No amount of selfishness or training can make Hazard do it.

Someone like Neymar can do it, Robben can do it, Sanchez can do it, Griezman can do it, because they have a goal scorer ability and mentality Hazard doesnt

Griffon:


Hehehe. I need to see what Dayo looks like. Someone mentioned on this board years ago that he is one lanky bean-pole of a nigga.

I have seen his picture somewhere on NL before. I can dig it out sometime if I have the time. He is not bald though, I don't know why they call him apari

afrodoc2:
This is why people say Hazard is over rated.
Do you people think it is beans to score goals at CR7 and Ronaldo levels? There is a reason why those 2 at their peak rewrote the record books.
There is no amount of training or tweaking that can make Hazard as prolific as these 2 guys.....he does not have the ability.

Wasn't it shocking that a weedtaker corrected a doctor?. The problem is his mentality not ability. Ask dayo what he did to his 3 legends in 3 secs. Few players scored more brilliant goals against De gea than hazard. Man city and tottenham will want him on sick bed while playing chelsea. We dont need to tell you it's not an ability thingy.

airmark:
Wasn't it shocking that a weedtaker corrected a doctor?. The problem is his mentality not ability. Ask dayo what he did to his 3 legends in 3 secs. Few players scored more brilliant goals against De gea than hazard. Man city and tottenham will want him on sick bed while playing chelsea. We dont need to tell you it's not ability thingy.

Wilfred Zaha, Quaresma, Bolasie, Mirralas on occasions will dribble top class players and score goals too,

raumdeuter:


Wilfred Zaha, Quaresma, Bolasie, Mirralas on occasions will dribble top class players and score goals too,

show me their videos, sodomising 3 legends from ucl defending champions in a cup final? 1000 usd will be yours today.

raumdeuter:


Simple you think say na beans to be scoring 30 goals steady every season, No amount of selfishness or training can make Hazard do it.

Someone like Neymar can do it, Robben can do it, Sanchez can do it, Griezman can do it, because they have a goal scorer ability and mentality Hazard doesnt

You too like to turn amala..... Tell me the difference btw queresma n cr7 burda dayo..but training won't change anything now because it is hazard.

You must be as dudu as the amala made from the back of yams

weedtaker:
like ma mans

Blood of Messi! Not adabowale plssss

diggz:

Blood of Messi! Not adabowale plssss

u mean ball of messi

Ibime:


Hazard doesn't make the runs to score 25 goals a season, much less 40 needed to start comparing yourself to such names.

Secondly if he is passing instead of shooting, his assist should be close to 40 if Fabregas argument is that he assists instead of scoring.

The above quote is pie in the sky. He is far far away, even if he became selfish and converted all his assists to goals, he wouldn't have much to compare himself with Messi and CR7.

I'm sorry, that's just the truth. Hardly will you see Hazard making the kind of run that Messi made for the winning goal yesterday, or that Alli made for the equaliser on Saturday. That's what gets you to 30 goals, not super stories that you should convert your paltry 10 assists into goals.

Hazard got a lot of improving to do on timing his runs and anticipation if he wants to hang with the big dogs.

Bro forget those yarn. Remember we are talking of epl here. Since Hazard came to chelsea he has been deployed to play RMF in 4-2-3-1 formation bar this season so his primary duty has been to assist the midfield in creativity coupled with mou defensive game.

hensben:
Bro forget those yarn. Remember we are talking of epl here. Since Hazard came to chelsea he has been deployed to play RMF in 4-2-3-1 formation bar this season so his primary duty has been to assist the midfield in creativity coupled with mou defensive game.

shoo, na 2017 we de o dis crap never tire you?