airmark:


Will you put 100 grand to back the fact that griezmann did not play la liga at the same time costa was at atm ? I dont want story.

Isn't this āss backward logic? Griezmann as a left winger scored 20 goals for Sociedad which is the best a winger has scored outside Barca-Madrid in recent times. You are comparing to a no 9 in the league winning team as if to prove what?

How does that compare with Bale winning POTY from a 6th place Spurs team and Hazard in 3rd place Chelsea team could not even get close to competing with him?

Just left 10hrs ago and it's already over 8 pages without having a live game.

Ibime:


Isn't this āss backward logic? Griezmann as a left winger scored 20 goals for Sociedad which is the best a winger has scored outside Barca-Madrid in recent times. You are comparing to a no 9 in the league winning team as if to prove what?

How does that compare with Bale winning POTY from a 6th place Spurs team and Hazard in 3rd place Chelsea team could not even get close to competing with him?

Fact here is, that a player performed better than the others years back, put no barrier to how great those inferior ones could become years later.
That bale outperformed hazard years back never stops eden from working harder and becoming a greater player in future and move higher than him. Costa was griezmann's boss in 2013/2014. The frenchman was the best player in laliga last year, 3rd best in the world, while costa is about to go into exile. Your logic fell flat on its face, no need dragging it.

airmark:


Fact here is, that a player performed better than the others years back, put no barrier to how great those inferior ones could become years later.
That bale outperformed hazard years back never stops eden from working harder and becoming a greater player in future and move higher than him. Costa was griezmann's boss in 2013/2014. The frenchman was the best player in laliga last year, 3rd best in the world, while costa is about to go into exile. Your logic fell flat on its face, no need to drag it.

Costa was not Griezmanns boss in 2014. Costa just played for the winning team. If I ask you to name the last winger outside Barca or Madrid to score 20 goals in a season, you may be going back a decade or more to find more than one. Griezmanns feat in 2014 is historic.

How that connects with the fact that a lower placed Spurs player sonned Hazard in 2013 is the missing piece of logic. If Bales (double PFA winner) attempt to battle with the big boys is not a harbinger of things to come from Hazard then logic is lost on you. It's not like Bale wasn't seen sonning Hazard last summer at the Euros.

If you want more empirical evidence go and check the record of ex-Barca flop like Sanchez Vs Hazard. 60% more goals than Hazard since coming to England.

Even 2nd degree Barca flop like Pedro has more goals and more assists since coming to England.

All this evidence suggests Hazard is not equipped to compete with Messi, Ororo or even Neymar since their castoffs are even outproducing him.

Believe you me, Hazard is not going to go to Barca or Madrid and wow them with dribbles. If you are in their front three, they need to see goals and assists on the table.

In short, the only logic you have espoused here is that Wilfred Ndidi can hope to work harder and become a great player in future to maybe compete with Messi and Ororo, mbok.

In the things that matter in Barca or Madrid front 3 (goals and assists), he has shown little or no improvement. He is still posting roughly the same stats as when he arrived in England. He is kuku better off converting to midfield and claiming he is not about goals and assists like Iniesta. He is already talking about it.

Ibime:


Costa was not Griezmanns boss in 2014. Costa just played for the winning team. If I ask you to name the last winger outside Barca or Madrid to score 20 goals in a season, you may be going back a decade or more to find more than one. Griezmanns feat in 2014 is historic.

How that connects with the fact that a lower placed Spurs player sonned Hazard in 2013 is the missing piece of logic. If Bales (double PFA winner) attempt to battle with the big boys is not an arbiter of things to come from Hazard then logic is lost on you. It's not like Bale wasn't seen sonning Hazard last summer at the Euros.

If you want more empirical evidence go and check the record of ex-Barca flop like Sanchez Vs Hazard. 60% more goals than Hazard since coming to England.

Even 2nd degree Barca flop like Pedro has more goals and more assists since coming to England.

All this evidence suggests Hazard is not equipped to compete with Messi, Ororo or even Neymar since their castoffs are even outproducing him.

Believe you me, Hazard is not going to go to Barca or Madrid and wow them with dribbles. If you are in their front three, they need to see goals and assists on the table.

In short, the only logic you have espoused here is that Wilfred Ndidi can hope to work harder and become a great player in future to maybe compete with Messi and Ororo, mbok.

In the things that matter in Barca or Madrid front 3 (goals and assists), he has shown little or no improvement. He is still posting roughly the same stats as when he arrived in England. He is kuku better off converting to midfield and claiming he is not about goals and assists like Iniesta. He is already talking about it.

Griezman wasn't in the laliga best 11 in 2013/2014, costa was. The difference tween spurs and chelsea when bale won the best epl player , was 3 points so dont let it sound as if blues were way superior to spurs. In the epl team of that season hazard made it so it wasn't as if he was so far away in quality from bale. Before you drive yourself off the point totally. Below was your line and i dont know why you need all these stories to prove that a player of hazard's quality three years ago cant be the best player 4,5,6 years later. Griezmann couldnt defeat costa to be among the laliga best 11 in 2014 but now he is the 3rd best in the world. Thats what you should address.

Ibime:


Before you put Hazard up against Messi and co, consider that he could not even defeat Bale in the same league.

airmark:


Lemme be sure you opened your eyes well to read my post. Will you put 100 grand to back your stand that griezmann did not play la liga at the same time costa was at atm ? I dont want story.

Alailojuti ni e. You are using Griezmann who is 2 months younger than your Belgian Ahmed Musa as example to compare Costa. Shey agbari o ki'n ta e ni?

Griezmann at 25 was a Balon D'or top 3 finalist and una dey shout Hazard name like say na something good

A40:

Alailojuti ni e. You are using Griezmann who is 2 months younger than your Belgian Ahmed Musa as example to compare Costa. Shey agbari o ki'n ta e ni?

Griezmann at 25 was a Balon D'or top 3 finalist and una dey shout Hazard name like say na something good

Ibo ni eleyi ti wa tiko ni okun lorun na? Bounce and go and serve dayo your boss.

airmark:


I didnt take it far. It's all fun. Dont be surprised if my son marries dayo's 'born again' daughter in future. Enjoy your day bro.

airmark:

Ibo ni eleyi ti wa tiko ni okun lorun na? Bounce and go and serve dayo your boss.

Oponu ayerada ni e. Ewure to ti san lori. Always making phoolish comparisons. Griezmann did not need to join Barca or Madrid to make Balon D'or top 3 at 25. So shut up with your nonsense example.

airmark:

that a player of hazard's quality three years ago cant be the best player 4,5,6 years later. Griezmann couldnt defeat costa to be among the laliga best 11 in 2014 but now he is the 3rd best in the world. Thats what you should address.

Bilewu. Hazard is older than Griezmann

Ander Herrera has made more interceptions than any premier league midfielder this season but some useless foolish Chelsea fans are prepared to suck his diikk to the very end, Scoundrels.

EPL is corrupt, in just climes, Herrera would have been nominated and come really close.

airmark:


Nobody was putting hazard up against messi. The genesis of this arguement was fab's advice on what hazard needs to do to be up there with the greats. Fab said now messi is greater than everyone, but trust our people they will muddle things up to win arguments. They must change the topic to suit themselves.

Exactly bro, I know where they were going to, na wetin make me quickly ask am like that.

Fabregas has said the right thing, summary was that, Hazard shud rather shoot at goal instead of passing, I don't know how this one equates to comparing him with Messi, b4 person talk now, den go say person get comprehension problem, but we sabi doz wey get the comprehension problem

Chelseafan1:


Exactly bro, I know where they were going to, na wetin make me quickly ask am like that.

Fabregas has said the right thing, summary was that, Hazard shud rather shoot at goal instead of passing, I don't know how this one equates to comparing him with Messi, b4 person talk now, den go say person get comprehension problem, but we sabi doz wey get the comprehension problem

For this board so many twister full am.

hensben:
For this board so many twister full am.

HotNigga:
Ander Herrera has made more interceptions than any premier league midfielder this season but some useless foolish Chelsea fans are prepared to suck his diikk to the very end, Scoundrels.

You make more interceptions when you are on the weaker/losing team. Interceptions are never a yard stick to judging which player is better. Passes, assists and goals do.

WHY DOES GUARDIOLA GET THE
LEEWAY THAT'S DENIED TO
WENGER?
Peter Staunton
The worse that Arsenal do the more
attention their fans receive, while the man
he outclassed on Sunday still gets a
relatively free ride
COMMENT
Andy Warhol said that in the future
everyone would be famous for 15 minutes
and that’s quite enough now from Arsenal
Fan TV and the hostility they’ve wrought.
Pep has failed to live up to City hype
These self-promoters are performing on
demand — distorting all perspective on the
single most important individual in
Arsenal’s history. And it’s catching; it’s
become a meme in itself.
Turn on the television and tune it to
WrestleMania, the London Marathon, an
Antarctic exploration mission and there will
be some try-hard with a pitiful #WengerOut
banner late to the joke.
The disrespect that flows towards Arsene
Wenger — from the stands, from the
streets, from airplanes over stadiums —
stems directly from that fan channel.
Opinions on there are not only endured but
actively sought.
It makes for compelling viewing. Fans of all
clubs now tune in as a matter of course
after a bad result to watch Arsenal’s fans
run their own team’s noses in it.
The louder and more hysterical the
response, the more people will be tempted
to watch. The more eyes that are on the
channel, the better it is for the owners. And
what the hordes hear on there, they repeat
verbatim. There is only one opinion worth
shouting round here: #WengerOut.
Sunday’s FA Cup semi-final victory was a
timely rebuke then to Wenger’s detractors.
PLAY
“It was a big test for us today,” Wenger
said. “A mental test because many people
questioned if we can turn up in an occasion
like that. That’s why I’m very proud for the
players.
“We have gone through a very difficult
period and we faced some adversity that
made the situation more difficult, from
inside as well. We have shown a united
response, not a divided response. Mentally
we were in a fragile position.”
Arsenal and the Manchester City they beat
had experienced pretty similar seasons up to
Sunday afternoon, but a stupefying lack of
perspective obscures an accurate
comparison. Both were knocked out of the
Champions League at the round of 16 stage,
for example, and are under-performing in
terms of a sustained Premier League title
run.
City would rather sink the players, the
staff, the fans, the stadium and anything
else you’d care to mention and leave only
Guardiola intact if it came to starting
again. The opposite is true at Arsenal,
where the loudmouths blame Wenger for
anything and everything.
The general sentiment appears to be that
Guardiola is new to the league — he’s
going to need some time to adapt, but
Wenger’s been here 20 years and he should
know better.
Wenger continues future mind games
Pep has indeed had to get used to things
pretty quickly. He has been taken aback by
the intensity in the English game and that
has meant compromising on his ideals of
football perfection. For the first time in his
managerial life he’ll end the season without
a trophy, and yesterday’s man Wenger did a
job on him to keep Arsenal within a shout
of one.
City have been gearing up for Pep’s arrival
ever since Ferran Soriano and Txiki
Begiristain first pitched up at the Etihad
around five years ago. It’s not like Pep was
parachuted into the job mid-season and told
to fight fires like Hull City's Marco Silva
— who pound-for-pound has done a better
job than him. He gave six months’ notice.
And here he is, involved in the same old
top-four dog fight that occupied Manuel
Pellegrini last season. He has overseen a
regression of City’s Champions League
form, too.
There have been high-profile disputes with
bona fide City legends like Joe Hart and
Yaya Toure. He’s even taken the step to
drop Sergio Aguero — surely the best
centre-forward the club has ever had and,
like Hart and Toure, a veteran of two
league title wins. In all those disputes the
fans — for the most part — took
Guardiola’s side.
Contrast those reactions to what happened
at Arsenal when Wenger dared to drop
Alexis Sanchez at Liverpool. The Chile
striker downed tools in training and openly
disrespected his team-mates on the field,
and yet Wenger was made out to be the one
at fault.
Guardiola was the one who began
introducing tactical concepts that his
players couldn’t or wouldn’t deal with.
Nonetheless, he gets the credit for trying
— the players blamed for their lack of
adaptability, their technical ability or lack
of intelligence. They are not where they
should be at this stage of the season and
Guardiola has plenty to answer for.
Meanwhile, it’s Wenger who carries the can
when Sanchez strops, when Mesut Ozil goes
missing or when Theo Walcott lets him
down again.
And yet somehow Arsenal can move within
four points of City by winning their game
in hand. City have to play the Manchester
derby against a strong and improving
United this week, meaning very soon we
could be looking at a one-point gap between
these two sides.
This is the conclusion of a decent year’s
work for a man who has been working
against so many forces trying to undermine
him.
Three FA Cup finals in four seasons, 19
years of unbroken Champions League
qualification, the new stadium, the titles
and the good times, and now this
wholesome victory against the hottest
manager in the world.
Don’t expect too much praise on the fan
channel. They are Arsenal fans but need a
crisis to attract attention. The more Wenger
wins, the less they’ll have to say.

www.m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/4071/premier-league/2017/04/24/34882242/why-does-guardiola-get-the-leeway-thats-denied-to-wenger

Ibime:


The Messis and CR7s, Neymar, Suarez and Bales are there based on stats, don't let that fool you. If CR7 or Messi score only 15 goals next season, they will lose their crown, it's that simple. That's who Hazard is competing with. What you call "stats" are actually game-winning goals and assists. Eunuch is the only special case whose case is different. He is blessed and highly favoured.

Hazard must improve his runs. Hardly will you see Hazard scoring tapins, or goals where he only needs one touch. Most of his goals involve dribbling a man or two before finishing. Until he starts making those runs he should forget comparison with the top dogs. Pedro is about to outscore him two seasons in a row without penalties.

yet Pedro is not being compared to him.

Greatihex:
yet Pedro is not being compared to him.

pedro is better than hazard.

Spy360:

You make more interceptions when you are on the weaker/losing team. Interceptions are never a yard stick to judging which player is better. Passes, assists and goals do.

And u honestly think Herrera doesn't ve more passes and assists than Pangolo Kante??

NO BOTTLE, NO TROPHY -
GUARDIOLA HAS FAILED TO LIVE
UP TO THE HYPE IN FIRST MAN
CITY SEASON
Sam Lee
The Catalan is by no means the root of the
club's problems but there will no be doubts
- externally at least - that he can put them
right
COMMENT
Pep Guardiola will continue to try to do
what he was brought to Manchester City to
do, but his job will not have been made any
easier after another big game went begging.
Alexis sends Arsenal into FA Cup final
The Catalan insisted in the build-up to this
FA Cup semi-final clash with Arsenal that
he would leave it for the journalists to
decide if he has failed in his first season at
the Etihad Stadium. There will be many, in
the media and in the stands, who will have
made up their minds after this defeat,
coming as it did against Arsene Wenger's
brittle outfit.
Indeed, the first trophy-less season of
Guardiola's managerial career would suggest
he has struggled to adapt to the English
game, or that his possession-based game
will never work here.
The reality, here at Wembley and across
many other major games this season, is not
quite so straightforward.
City yet again had enough chances to put
the game out of sight before their
opponents managed to drag themselves up
off the canvas and land a sucker-punch.
Guardiola was so angry with his side's
performance against the Gunners in the
league earlier this month that he has let his
feelings become known in public, which is
rare.
On several occasions since he has bemoaned
the performance, saying he "never wants to
see my team play like that again" and, in
the Wembley programme, spelled out again
that his team "forgot to play".
His message in private, immediately before
this game and the days leading up to it,
would have simply been: "Do not do that
again".
Yet they did. Not for long, but long
enough. Sergio Aguero scored an excellent
breakaway goal but City allowed the
Gunners a foothold in the game again and
Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain's delightful cross
was converted by Nacho Monreal, who had
been doubling up alongside Alexis Sanchez
on Jesus Navas.
Still want to join City, Alexis?!
Navas, at least, has put in some spirited
performances despite not being good
enough. He has too many team-mates who
are also struggling, or faring even worse.
If it is ultimately decided that Guardiola
has failed this season, a large share of the
blame must be taken by those responsible
for leaving the squad so short thanks to
years of questionable purchases.
City need a raft of new players and that has
been evident for months. Quality, young and
versatile recruits are needed to drastically
upgrade the defence and, as was made plain
at Wembley, add much-needed depth to the
squad in attacking areas.
City also need battle-hardened winners, and
how inevitable it was when Alexis, the man
they hope to sign this summer, stabbed in
an extra-time winner just seconds after a
tiring Aguero was taken off and replaced by
Fabian Delph, who was later put through on
goal but could not convert when it
mattered.
That has been the story of the season.
Guardiola, while bemoaning his side's
fragility when in leading positions, says his
side are better after a setback. That was
again evidenced when Yaya Toure and
Fernandinho hit the frame of the goal at
1-1, and when Kevin De Bruyne flashed one
just wide of the post after Delph's miss.
In the end, though, Wenger's men did more
than enough to be declared deserved
winners. That those players have too often
been accused of going missing, or even not
playing for their manager, it does not say a
great deal about the mentality of their City
counterparts.
Indeed, if it were not for the sheer amount
of new players needed this summer, the
task of instilling a winning mentality in this
team would be Guardiola's most demanding.
It seemed like a change of tack when he
said ahead of the match that, "Winning or
not winning isn't going to change too many
things about the perspective of our future,
what we are going to do." After all, he has
talked so often about changing the club's
mentality by playing in the biggest games,
and winning them.
Guardiola, while millions debate whether he
has failed or not, will remain fully
committed to what he wants to do and,
most importantly, how he wants to do it.
But the look of despair on his players' faces
at full-time suggests he will have a
formidable job on his hands to convince
them to go again. He thought he had done
it after losing at Monaco, but despite a
full-spirited display just three days later a
draw was the best City could muster and, in
all, they have failed to beat Liverpool,
Chelsea and Arsenal twice since their
European elimination.
Guardiola did quickly seem to go back on
what he had earlier said to acknowledge the
role winning a trophy would have as he bids
to convince his players to follow his lead:
"It would put in the hearts and heads of my
players how good they are. I said many
times with them, but they still don't believe
how good they are. Winning titles helps you
a lot."
Clearly, they will not get that help this
season.
Yet, while those around City seem to have
had at least one eye on the summer and
beyond, there is the increasingly difficult
prospect of a Manchester derby up next, on
Thursday night.
Guardiola needs to make his players believe
they are good enough to play his way, a
way that has, let it not be forgotten,
brought both unprecedented success to
Barcelona and joy to millions around the
world, and a playing style that established
Bayern as a force in world football.
City make history with fourth sub
New players will help in that regard but
once again the Catalan will need to make do
with what he has got. The derby is next but,
since beating United at Old Trafford in
September, City have played well in their
big matches but taken one point off
Tottenham, none from Chelsea, one from
Liverpool and three from Arsenal - thanks
to their only win against a top side - as
well as losing to the Gunners here in the
cup. Not to mention a failure to win a
Champions League away game, and a
collective lack of bottle when it mattered in
the south of France.
Given the shortcomings of the squad it
would be harsh to write this season off as a
failure, or at least to say their manager has
failed. More time is required, and that has
been obvious for months.
PLAY
But City have consistently failed to win
their games against the best teams, which
is why they are in this situation. Surely
now it cannot be disputed that Guardiola's
debut campaign has at least been a major
disappointment.
A place in the top four is now the best
possible outcome. Beating United on
Thursday would surely see to that, but
there are no guarantees they will.
Whatever happens this week and in the
weeks to come, there will be a lingering
sense of doubt among many pundits and
fans that Guardiola is able do the job he
was brought here to do.
But it is the players Guardiola must
convince, and as soon as possible.

www.m.goal.com/s/en/news/8/main/2017/04/23/34863732/no-bottle-no-trophy-guardiola-has-failed-to-live-up-to-the?ICID=HP_HN_4

Ibime:



Show get size abeg, but it seems some of our fellow Chelsea fans are shoemakers.

Unku Ibime is high this morning

weedtaker:
pedro is better than hazard.

You clowns should have man marked Pedro na

bigkesh:

You clowns should have man marked Pedro na

Hmmn!!
Useless team tha turned "Champions Elect" to spectators in Old Trafford..


Lol. Why u edit am??

bigkesh:

You clowns should have man marked Pedro na

pedro was man marked too.





and hazard wasn't man marked, herrera was just taking his revenge.

dopeJemi:


I think that shi.t started recently, it wasn't like that in the beginning and last season

that is not true. In fact, in his first season, he won the award of the most dispossessed player in the league.

Lana1:
Hmmn!!
Useless team tha turned "Champions Elect" to spectators in Old Trafford..


Lol. Why u edit am??

So your efficiency as a team is decided over 90 minutes not a season

There is a reason you are 5th

Meanwhile, Hazard will also be working on the whole “selfish” thing, too. "Fabregas is not the only one to say that to me."

Hazard “A lot of people say to me you need to be more selfish, but when I am on the pitch sometimes I prefer to pass the ball.”

Hazard “I try every game to be more selfish. I know i have to score more goals if I want to reach the level of Messi. I am working on it.”

Lord please, I have only one request for 2017. Give Eden Hazard the grace, vision and strength to always be selfish in front of goal, let him score more goals so that these clowns can shut their mouths for once.

Thank you.

Ibime:


Costa was not Griezmanns boss in 2014. Costa just played for the winning team. If I ask you to name the last winger outside Barca or Madrid to score 20 goals in a season, you may be going back a decade or more to find more than one. Griezmanns feat in 2014 is historic.

How that connects with the fact that a lower placed Spurs player sonned Hazard in 2013 is the missing piece of logic. If Bales (double PFA winner) attempt to battle with the big boys is not a harbinger of things to come from Hazard then logic is lost on you. It's not like Bale wasn't seen sonning Hazard last summer at the Euros.

If you want more empirical evidence go and check the record of ex-Barca flop like Sanchez Vs Hazard. 60% more goals than Hazard since coming to England.

Even 2nd degree Barca flop like Pedro has more goals and more assists since coming to England.

All this evidence suggests Hazard is not equipped to compete with Messi, Ororo or even Neymar since their castoffs are even outproducing him.

Believe you me, Hazard is not going to go to Barca or Madrid and wow them with dribbles. If you are in their front three, they need to see goals and assists on the table.

In short, the only logic you have espoused here is that Wilfred Ndidi can hope to work harder and become a great player in future to maybe compete with Messi and Ororo, mbok.

In the things that matter in Barca or Madrid front 3 (goals and assists), he has shown little or no improvement. He is still posting roughly the same stats as when he arrived in England. He is kuku better off converting to midfield and claiming he is not about goals and assists like Iniesta. He is already talking about it.

Are you talking about the same euros that we all watched? The one that hazard got 4 assists, 1 goal and 2 MOTM awards. How did bale even play better than hazard in the Belgium vs Wales match?

And, hazard scored 20 goals for lille just few years back.

weedtaker:
pedro is better than hazard.

lol. That was funny.

Spy360:

You make more interceptions when you are on the weaker/losing team. Interceptions are never a yard stick to judging which player is better. Passes, assists and goals do.

And how many DM's have more goals and assist to Ander?

Lana1:
And u honestly think Herrera doesn't ve more passes and assists than Pangolo Kante??

No mind that idiot