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Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:06pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Let me deign to your level and think like you just this once . Our cars generators produce carbon mono oxide which is deleterious to our health . Because this harmful gas released as waste can even kill us therefore cars , generators have no creators ? Sarin is a dangerous chemical weapon and was recently used by President Assad on the Syrians . Because it has devastating effects on the health therefore Sarin is not a product of intelligent design ? I'm starting to group KingEbukasBlog in the same category with Felix. Its an honor to be in the same category with felixomor . Thank you |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by akintom(m): 4:11pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Kikikikikikiki...... Hogwash raised to staggering power. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by hopefulLandlord: 4:15pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
akintom: isn't it funny that at page 4 (four) of this thread not even 1 (one) Christian has been able to answer your OP? |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:16pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: And how was it possible for the antecedent conditions for transmutation of the universe from one state to another set since you reject the existence of a First Cause ? What then triggered this continuous change from an infinite time past ? Presently, I don't find any theory compelling enough, so I stand nowhere on the subject. You are a verificationist (proponent of verificationism ) then not an atheist |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by CatfishBilly: 4:17pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Carbon monoxide is poisonous when inhaled in large doses, only an idiot would stick his nose in an exhaust pipe or stay in a room not well ventilated to inhale the fumes. In your analogy above, the human has to make a conscious effort to get killed. Unless God designed asteroids and mass extinction events as a waste product, then he isn't really an intelligent designer. There's no conscious effort on our part, you'll just be sleeping with your wife, bang, an asteroid hits you and you're dead. And, no, sarin wasn't intelligently designed by God, humans beat him to it and it was designed to bring death in multiples. See, don't say things you don't know. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by felixomor: 4:19pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:20pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Mr fallacy detector . You don't know it's fallacious to say that Christians rage when they are asked to provide evidence for God because one or a few Christians reacted in such manner . Do I rage when asked evidence for God ? I simply give you a few of the plethora of reasons why God exists . Gerrerrahia mehn shit |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by felixomor: 4:21pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
akintom: I can only imagine your face right now! LOL 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by dalaman: 4:21pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
felixomor: Say I dey always tell you the truth na. |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by Kay17: 4:25pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Such lies! |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by hopefulLandlord: 4:25pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I know my exposing your fallacious arguments is gonna hurt you but I didn't expect it to hurt you this bad as for you when asked for evidence of Yahweh what you do is dodge and argue for deism, I've even seen you advice someone who was having doubts to chose deism rather than atheism ; now I'm not in the habit of pulling the No True Scotsman fallacy but fork that no true Christian would ever say such a thing!!! all the "Plethora" of reasons you claim to give are for a deist god which can be used by a Muslim, Hindu, Pagan even the Amazonian tribes but you have another chance, you claim you're a Christian, right? what's the proof of Yahweh, tell us the proof of Yahweh being the true Supreme god; 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by felixomor: 4:27pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Thank you Sir. Jare Your constant discharge of knowledge followed with Christ-like humility remains a personal motivation. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by dalaman: 4:30pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: You love comparing apples to stones. You claim that only God can explain the existence of life in the universe. The existence of life looks more like a highly improbable occurance in the universe compared to it being an intentional occurrence. Life only exist in the part of the universe that is completely insignificant. Take our whole galaxy sway and the universe will not even feel it talk less of our solar system. Life so far has been detected only on earth and everywhere where we have looked into will eliminate life immediately. So how does the universe look like a place that was created to support life? |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:31pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: *faceplam* You missed the point or feigning ignorance like the rest of them . And where did I that Sarin was designed by God Fine tuning of the universe of the existence of intelligent life means that the range of life-permitting values of a constant or quantity are so precise that it is impossible or highly irrational to assume that they are a product of chance or even physical necessity . Plus , the universe was not designed solely for human life or for earth , you presumed so . Your carcass is food for the vulture ; your carcass is food for bacteria ; your carcass when it decays would make the soil fertile for crops to grow well on . You are part of the cycle of life . The universe does not revolve around human life neither is it centered on it . Your loss is another's gain . Think before you pontificate . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by CatfishBilly: 4:37pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Sarin was intelligently designed, your words, by who? Don't go shifting the goal posts on me now. The mass extinction events and the impact of the asteroids affected only humans abi? The things theists say, man. Just stop, you'll just embarrass yourself further if you continue speaking. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by dalaman: 4:40pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: KingEbukasBlog is very wise. He doesn't argue for Yahweh. He just hides behind the label God to spew his nonsense. He'll begin with the deist God and end with the pantheist God, you'll never see him arguing for Yahweh God because he knows it's dead on arrival. Once he begins he knows he won't be able to move further and will be caught in his delusions. He doesn't wa t that so he just jumps to what ever concept to just show that there is this God concept that must be accepted. He is really learning from his masters William Lane Craig and the rest that sometimes openly throw the bible under the bus because they want to prove some delusional nonsense. William Craig once said that God did not tell the ancient Jews to carry out all the old testament atrocities when confronted with OT morality in a debate. But the same William Craig will go and tell his fellow christians that the bible is the inerrant word of God. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by felixomor: 4:40pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:41pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: MAN (who is conscious and intelligent ) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Same as cars and generators . You clearly missed the point Don't go shifting the goal posts in me now. This guy . I am saying one thing and you are saying something entirely different . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:47pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
dalaman: According to Willian Craig in his debate against Hitchens : The Anthropic Cosmological principle list ten steps in the course of human evolution each of which is so improbable that before it would occur the sun would have ceased to be a main sequence star and incinerated the earth. And they calculate the probability of the evolution of the human genome to be somewhere between four to the negative 180th power to the 110,000th power and four to the negative 360th power to the 110,000th power. So if evolution did occur on this planet, it was literally a miracle and therefore evidence for the existence of God. So, I don't think this is an argument for atheism. Quite the contrary, it really provides good grounds for thinking that God superintended the process of biological development. I've mentioned this exact statement in a thread where we both had an argument but you failed to respond to this . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by CatfishBilly: 4:48pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Sarin was intelligently designed by man? This is your quote. Sarin is a dangerous chemical weapon and was recently used by President Assad on the Syrians . Because it has devastating effects on the health therefore Sarin is not a product of intelligent design ?If you still insist that with this quote, you were arguing for man as the intelligent designer, then you're a bigger liar than I thought. When has man made inventions been ever described as intelligent design in history? 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by hopefulLandlord: 4:52pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
onyenze123: the topic has the word "Atheists" and "Christians" but I'm yet to see where "Deist" is....... |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by dalaman: 4:56pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Nope, but science so far has demonstrated to be the ONLY medium for we to gain objective and factual answers to things. Religion has no objective answer to offer humanity as a whole. Only science does that. Is your atheism based on a supposed absence of evidence for the existence of God My atheism is based on the fact that all Gods are a human creation. All are truths that exist supported by science ? Truth is relative. Objective truths are supported and back mostly by science. Scientific truths are the same the wored over. Science is the only things that helps us to determine what is factual and what isn't. How would science prove the existence of God ? It will show this entity God to be objectively true tp humans regardless their religious beliefs, orientation and many other factors. God will be just like as objective as the multiplication table for example. It will be true the world over and to all humans. What is the most compelling evidence of God that would make you recant your atheistic views and opinions ? A God that is objectively clear to all human beings. That will be enough evidence. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:57pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
CatfishBilly: Seriously man you really have a problem with comprehension . Why would anyone even think that God created Sarin , a chemical weapon ? Sir , Dalaman see your people Come carry them comot abeg 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by CatfishBilly: 5:00pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:You're no different from Felix. Caught in your lie and now you're running up and down. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by oaroloye(m): 5:03pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
SHALOM! akintom: FIRST OF ALL: PAUL IS NOT AN AUTHORITY FOR THE GOSPEL IN THE BIBLE. . MATTHEW 16:6-12. 6. Then Jesus said unto them, "Take heed and beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." 7. And they reasoned among themselves, saying, "It is because we have taken no bread." 8. Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, "O ye of little Faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread? 9. "Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 10. "Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? 11. "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the Leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?" 12. Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the Leaven of Bread, but of the Doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees." . ACTS 23:6. 6. But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the Council, "Men and Brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the Hope and Resurrection of the Dead I am called in question." SECONDLY, PAUL'S COMMANDMENT WAS IN VIOLATION OF GOD'S EXPLICIT COMMANDMENT. . EXODUS 17:1-7. And all the Congregation of the Children of Israel journeyed from the wilderness of Sin, after their journeys, according to The Commandment of The LORD, and pitched in Rephidim: and there was no water for the people to drink. 2. Wherefore the people did chide with Moses, and said, "Give us water that we may drink." And Moses said unto them, "Why chide ye with me? Wherefore do ye tempt The LORD? 3. And the people thirsted there for water; and the people murmured against Moses, and said, "Wherefore is this that thou hast brought us up out of Egypt, to kill us and our children and our cattle with thirst?" 4. And Moses cried unto The LORD, saying, "What shall I do unto this people? they be almost ready to stone me." 5. And The LORD said unto Moses, "Go on before the people, and take with thee of the Elders of Israel; and thy rod, wherewith thou smotest the river, take in thine hand, and go. 6. "Behold, I will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink." And Moses did so in the sight of the Elders of Israel. 7. And he called the name of the place Massah, and Meribah, because of the chiding of the Children of Israel, and because they tempted The LORD, saying, "IS THE LORD AMONG US, OR NOT?" . MATTHEW 4:1-11. THEN was Jesus led up of The Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of The Devil. 2. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was AFTERWARD an hungred. 3. And when The Tempter came to him, he said, "If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread." 4. But he answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.' " 5. Then The Devil taketh him up into the Holy City, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the Temple, 6. And saith unto him, "If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, 'HE SHALL GIVE HIS ANGELS CHARGE CONCERNING THEE: AND IN THEIR HANDS THEY SHALL BEAR THEE UP, LEST AT ANY TIME THOU DASH THY FOOT AGAINST A STONE.' " 7. Jesus said unto him, "It is written again, 'THOU SHALT NOT TEMPT THE LORD THY GOD.' " 8. Again, The Devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all The Kingdoms of the World, and The Glory of them; 9. And saith unto him, "All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." 10. Then saith Jesus unto him, "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, 'THOU SHALT WORSHIP THE LORD THY GOD, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.' " 11. Then The Devil leaveth him, and, behold, Angels came and ministered unto him. THEREFORE, WE DO NOT OBEY CHALLENGES TO TEMPT GOD. THIRDLY, IF THE ATHEISTS DO NOT HUMBLE THEMSELVES, TO LEARN MEEKLY, THEY CANNOT BE SAVED, AND ARE OF NO USE TO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. . MATTHEW 18:1-14. AT the same time came the Disciples unto Jesus, saying, "Who is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven?" 2. And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3. And said, "Verily I say unto you, 'EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED, AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL NOT ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.' 4. "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in The Kingdom of Heaven. 5. "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my Name receiveth me. 6. "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the Depth of the Sea. 7. "Woe unto the World because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! 8. "Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into Everlasting Fire. 9. "And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into Life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into Hell Fire. 10. "Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, 'THAT IN HEAVEN THEIR ANGELS DO ALWAYS BEHOLD THE FACE OF MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.' 11. "For the Son of Man is come to save that which was lost." 12. “How think ye? If a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13. And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, 'HE REJOICETH MORE OF THAT SHEEP, THAN OF THE NINETY AND NINE WHICH WENT NOT ASTRAY.' 14. "Even so it is not The Will of your Father Which is in Heaven, that one of these little ones should perish." THE UNBELIEVER IS OPERATING AT ONLY 1% LIFE ENERGY LEVEL, AND 10% CONSCIOUSNESS. OBEDIENCE OF YAHSHUA'S DOCTRINE in THIS Chapter alone will eventually restore everything, but one will be able to chart weekly progress, if one implements it seriously. A NON-CHRISTIAN named LAFAYETTE RONALD HUBBARD was able to HIJACK the Principles of this Chapter, removed all references to YAHWEH or YAHSHUA from them, then made a successful living, selling the technique to people at the rate of $50 per hour. He called it "DIANETICS." Ironically, NO CHURCH ever recognized his discovery (though some have, by now), but many Christians left Christianity and joined his CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY Movement- whereas they could have done everything he was doing as Christians. |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by dalaman: 5:04pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Dr Craig is a word salad master. So highly improbable events are evidence for God? This assertion is empty because it offers no detail. Even if evolution occurs and is highly improbable it still doesn't point to any God. |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by hopefulLandlord: 5:10pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
dalaman: lol I watched the so-called debate from beginning to the end and all I saw was Craig misrepresenting his opponent a lot, so much that at some point Hitchens just wanted the debate to end and catch his flight Craig just kept using the word "If atheism is true, then.............." "If atheism is true, then.............." "If atheism is true, then.............." I wanted to puke what the fork is "If atheism is true"? but then I quickly realised he's using those words in order to make it easier for him to argue for deism |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:12pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
dalaman: You missed it sir . The probability that the human genome evolved is so infinitesimal that without it being the intention of God that life would exist, the sun would have ceased to be a star and destroyed the earth making it impossible for life to exist in the first place . So yes , God intended life to be . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by KingEbukasBlog(m): 5:18pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: cc : Dalaman Please watch the video here and see if the nonsense this youngman put up here correlates with this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9h-hmlMz5c 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by AgentOfAllah: 5:22pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:I do not reject the existence of a first cause, I only assert that there is nothing that makes it necessary. Both Newtonian and relativistic models, which are predicated on a "cause-effect" relationship, suffer a catastrophic breakdown just moments after whatever events birthed the universe as we know it. To further complicate things, quantum theory, which may describe some of the pre-inflation phenomena, enshrines in its postulates, the inexorability of true randomness. As such, we may even have irrevocably lost a considerable amount of information describing the previous state(s) of the universe. How then can I say for sure? Oh, such tyranny! The product of a thoroughly discrete mind!. I assure you sir, I am both a verificationist and an atheist. And if it interests you, here are some other "-isms" to which I subscribe: Humanism, nihilism, descriptivism, multiculturalism, secularism, nonconformism, individualism; and perhaps, a few more whose existence I am yet unaware of. If you asked me though, I'd rather just be known for being simply 'human', for this word aptly encompasses the innumerable complexities of our kind. Discrete identities on the other hand, can be both tedious and dangerously simplistic. 4 Likes |
Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by hopefulLandlord: 5:28pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: looollll, you think I'm lying? you're probably confusing me for your Yahweh 3.15 minutes video is all you can give? a debate that actually lasted almost 3 hours? look at the picture I have 90 different full debates not all these excerpts you watch and pretend you've watched everything Chai!! you keep exposing yourself today, what embarrassment would be left for tomorrow if you use everything up today? 1 Like
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Re: Why Do Christians Rage, When Atheists Demand Proofs? by Blogthug(m): 5:37pm On Apr 25, 2017 |
akintom: Prove that God exists? Ok sure IF everything Exists then God Exists Everything Exists Therefore God exists pls don't conflate Existence for Realness, would be your strawman , u can attempt to refute the premises 1 Like |
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