You guys must argue everyday
It's almost like you have all the time on your hands man

KingEbukasBlog:


Cyclical , "Mother and Baby Universe" , Ekpyrotic universe , Smolin's Evolutionary Cosmology(fecund universe) all these bull-crap were conjured to circumvent a beginning . You seriously embrace these ridiculous theories yet have to guts to call someone who accepts the most rational explanation of the universe which the existence of cosmic designer deluded ?




You don't know how the universe came about but you are certain that it is not a conscious cosmic designer ? You people just don't realize how extremely foolish atheism is . Are all these theories not inventions of men ?

Just like Kay17 speculated that multiverses could exist ( idea FIRST gotten from Naruto and other science fictional stories ) but blatantly rejected that a cosmic designer exists .

This is simple but you guys are too slow to understand : if you are ready to embrace the possibility of these ludicrous theories branded as scientific without any shred of evidence then you have no right no audacity to ask for evidence for God .

"I don't know" by the atheist is being shallow and evasive .

This is the problem you have. You seem to be afraid of uncertainty, so you are quick to hang on to whatever answer gives you comfort. The God hypothesis completely fails the Occam's Razor test by postulating an entity with attributes that are borne from within the universe that it supposedly created.

I didn't know that your faith was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance. Isn't that what we can god of the gaps argument? All you've confirmed is that you pretend to know things that you don't know.

We may very well exist in a multiverse and the universe may not have had a beginning since time didn't exist before the Big Bang but those are just hypotheses (not theories, like you erroneously called them). Nobody hooks on to them dogmatically.

I'm sorry that I don't know the origins of our universe but the truth is that nobody does. We just have a lot of people who pretend to, which is what you're doing now.

hopefulLandlord:
Obinna58, Immortal, HCPaul are examples I know that definitely became convinced via good arguments from atheists

Immortal confessed that he was so embarrassed about his former Christian posts that he had to create a new monicker

Nairaland atheists triggered my quest for truth, and I'm so glad being able to see things clearly the way it is at a young age
I never knew at a stage I will doubt the existence of God, even at my earlier times of searching, I was eventually a victim of some certain circumstances, but 2day I found out it was programmed only in the mind.

HardMirror:

Ebuka intellectual? He uses synonyms of simple words in other to sound intelligent, but intelligence is not a function of vocabulary but the logic in aguement. Infact use of sultry vocabulary is just a way of swaying people with low self esteem. An intelligent man keeps his words simple and easy to understand because he is not afraid of people understanding and challenging his argument. Only egoistic dolts use vocabulary to sheild the stupidity of their argument. Show me just one intelligent post by ebuka

That's why I described it as intellectual-sounding sophistry. His arguments look good from far but are in fact, far from good. Almost like every single argument for the existence of God'.

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felixomor:


Keep quiet abeg.
Have u reached that your old fellowship member ?
To come n help u testify fa?
Yeye dey smell

Can someone pls help this guy, it appears he's possessed with intoxicant "keep quiet".

He's repeated this, severally lately.

Or he now bear the moniker, Dame patience Jonathan ?

CoolUsername:


This is the problem you have. You seem to be afraid of uncertainty, so you are quick to hang on to whatever answer gives you comfort.

Rejecting the existence of God seems to give you comfort apparently . You seem to be afraid of God's existence , so you are quick to reject His existence because it gives you comfort.

The God hypothesis completely fails the Occam's Razor test by postulating an entity with attributes that are borne from within the universe that it supposedly created.

If you think the "God hypothesis" failed Occam's razor then multiverse cosmology raped and violated it . But you are quick to embrace it

List these attributes . Let's scrutinize them .

I didn't know that your faith was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance.

I didn't know your rejection of God's existence was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance

Isn't that what we can god of the gaps argument?

God of the gaps arguments ? What then is I don't know but its not God arguments called ? Not-God of the gaps argument

All you've confirmed is that you pretend to know things that you don't know.

And you pretend like you know there is no God .

We may very well exist in a multiverse and the universe may not have had a beginning since time didn't exist before the Big Bang but those are just hypotheses (not theories, like you erroneously called them). Nobody hooks on to them dogmatically.

Lawrence Krauss was certain of his knowledge of the universe's beginning . He claimed in his book 'Universe from Nothing' that he has answered the question : Why does something rather than exist .

Sean Carroll seems to be certain that his model for is more likely to be possible than the existence of God . yet he has no shred of evidence

I'm sorry that I don't know the origins of our universe but the truth is that nobody does. We just have a lot of people who pretend to, which is what you're doing now.

I don't know why this is difficult for you and your ilks to understand. You can't be an atheist -one who rejects the existence of a cosmic designer- and then claim that you don't know . You don't know but its not God . Is that the Not-God of the gaps argument ?

akintom:


Can someone pls help this guy, it appears he's possessed with intoxicant "keep quiet".

He's repeated this, severally lately.

Or he now bear the moniker, Dame patience Jonathan ?

Says the obsessive compulsive one.

felixomor:


Please do u have anything meaningful to say today?
If not, peg it here.

Feeding u Your Own bull crap, glad u can see how stupid it is. U quoted me first spewing rubbish. Next time stay on the topic and don't quote me for stupid arguments

KingEbukasBlog:


Rejecting the existence of God seems to give you comfort apparently . You seem to be afraid of God's existence , so you are quick to reject His existence because it gives you comfort.



If you think the "God hypothesis" failed Occam's razor then multiverse cosmology raped and violated it . But you are quick to embrace it

List these attributes . Let's scrutinize them .



I didn't know your rejection of God's existence was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance



God of the gaps arguments ? What then is I don't know but its not God arguments called ? Not-God of the gaps argument



And you pretend like you know there is no God .



Lawrence Krauss was certain of his knowledge of the universe's beginning . He claimed in his book 'Universe from Nothing' that he has answered the question : Why does something rather than exist .

Sean Carroll seems to be certain that his model for is more likely to be possible than the existence of God . yet he has no shred of evidence



I don't know why this is difficult for you and your ilks to understand. You can't be an atheist -one who rejects the existence of a cosmic designer- and then claim that you don't know . You don't know but its not God . Is that the Not-God of the gaps argument ?

The fact that nobody has a clear picture of the beginning of the universe doesn't mean that it isn't very unlikely that God exists. It also doesn't make it as plausible as a cyclical universe or a multiverse or whatever. The God hypothesis is closer in probability to the Flying Spaghetti Monster than it is to any of the modern hypotheses that scientists have talked about.

You asked about the attributes of God that make it so improbable. I'll list them:
- Consciousness
- Intelligence
- Will

These are the attributes that evolved over eons within our material universe. It is wishful thinking at best to give these three attributes to the the universe precursor.

That is why atheism (agnostic atheism, which is the stance of most atheists, you don't have to be obtuse about this, I know you know) is orders of magnitude more logical than theism. It doesn't pretend to know things that it doesn't know.

HardMirror:

Feeding u Your Own bull crap, glad u can see how stupid it is. U quoted me first spewing rubbish. Next time stay on the topic and don't quote me for stupid arguments

Guy, you were not quoted.
U were mentioned because Of your past atrocious lie.
Dont think too high of yourself.
Nonsense

felixomor:


Guy, you were not quoted.
U were mentioned because Of your past atrocious lie.
Dont think too high of yourself.
Nonsense

Well I think highly of myself I don't have to sulk becks ur life sucks. Don't try and spread ur inferiority complex it's your problem not mine

HardMirror:

Well I think highly of myself I don't have to sulk becks ur life sucks. Don't try and spread ur inferiority complex it's your problem not mine

I surely hope u dont want to be dragged till dawn.
Your atrocities are still fresh in memory.

felixomor:


Keep quiet abeg.
Have u reached that your old fellowship member ?
To come n help u testify fa?
Yeye dey smell

ROTFL!

felixomor:


I surely hope u dont want to be dragged till dawn.
Your atrocities are still fresh in memory.

This guy ehn, no use laf kee person

HardMirror:

4evergod's mantra I see. Just as ishilove claimed I wrote pages and pages of lies and after I asked her to present 2 of my lies, she went silent. Lie here on nairaland. The one thing ou all hold on to is the caccf brother I said died of cancer and that I am sure of based on reports I received then not that I fabricated the claim. Why is it no other part of my story was debunked? You all tried real hard but could not just nch any further hole in my story. Lol

Don't flatter yourself. I 'went silent' because I have more important things to do offline than respond to useless challenges that doesn't profit me. You are the biggest liar here, Hardmirror, with your mindbloggling fables. Anyone with the time and inclination can go through your excessively long thread of fantastic tall tales to see for themselves.

I have neither. Me I don't want my eyes to glaze over

Ishilove:


Don't flatter yourself. I 'went silent' because I have more important things to do offline than respond to useless challenges that doesn't profit me. You are the biggest liar here, Hardmirror, with your mindbloggling fables. Anyone with the time and inclination can go through your excessively long thread of fantastic tall tales to see for themselves.

I have neither. Me I don't want my eyes to glaze over

He is a bigger liar than 4everGod? The same person that was caught red handed using his two different monikers on a single thread to deceive and lie to others.

He said he once raised a dead person back to life. He also said he once healed a nairaland member with HIV through the phone, when challenge he ran.away like a thieving rat. Who can beat that na?

whitebeard:
i dont understand what u are saying..i have sha given u proof it up to u to decide

U mean these Prof?

dalaman:


He is a bigger liar than 4everGod? The same person that was caught red handed using his two different monikers on a single thread to deceive and lie to others.

He said he once raised a dead person back to life. He also said he once healed a nairaland member with HIV through the phone, when challenge he ran.away like a thieving rat. Who can beat that na?

If what you say is true then 4everGod is a learner. Hardmirror has successfully beaten that. He made multiple claims of performing miracles, leading church groups and winning souls, too numerous to enumerate here, with no single evidence to back it up.

obinna58:

Nairaland atheists triggered my quest for truth, and I'm so glad being able to see things clearly the way it is at a young age
I never knew at a stage I will doubt the existence of God, even at my earlier times of searching, I was eventually a victim of some certain circumstances, but 2day I found out it was programmed only in the mind.

So you are now a Satan Convict. thats what Atheists are.

CoolUsername:


This is the problem you have. You seem to be afraid of uncertainty, so you are quick to hang on to whatever answer gives you comfort. The God hypothesis completely fails the Occam's Razor test by postulating an entity with attributes that are borne from within the universe that it supposedly created.

I didn't know that your faith was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance. Isn't that what we can god of the gaps argument? All you've confirmed is that you pretend to know things that you don't know.

We may very well exist in a multiverse and the universe may not have had a beginning since time didn't exist before the Big Bang but those are just hypotheses (not theories, like you erroneously called them). Nobody hooks on to them dogmatically.

I'm sorry that I don't know the origins of our universe but the truth is that nobody does. We just have a lot of people who pretend to, which is what you're doing now.

Dreamer.

dalaman:


He is a bigger liar than 4everGod? The same person that was caught red handed using his two different monikers on a single thread to deceive and lie to others.

He said he once raised a dead person back to life. He also said he once healed a nairaland member with HIV through the phone, when challenge he ran.away like a thieving rat. Who can beat that na?

wow!

CoolUsername:


You asked about the attributes of God that make it so improbable. I'll list them:
- Consciousness
- Intelligence
- Will

I was expecting something much better . So you mean the cosmic designer shouldn't be conscious intelligent and able to express Its freedom of will ? The cosmic designer is conscious and intelligent as an incredibly simple umembodied mind [immaterial body]. Only in our universe can minds be embodied . Being conscious makes It self aware , aware that It is eternal , self existent , self sufficient ; It is aware of everything minute even picayune details of any activity that goes on in and outside the universe etc . Being intelligent makes it possible to create complex systems like the universe and everything in it Example : Minds with material bodies like humans that can think and express freedom of will like It does . Will makes it possible for God to create the universe and in any possible way . I.e if God had to chosen to create a 5 dimensional universe It would have done so .

Your response would have made sense if the cosmic designer was said to have these attributes while possessing a material body.

These are the attributes that evolved over eons within our material universe. It is wishful thinking at best to give these three attributes to the the universe precursor.

Very shallow thinking . If the precursor of the universe cannot be intelligent , conscious and express freedom of will then it would be impossible for the universe or any other complex systems such as the multiverse to exist .

That is why atheism (agnostic atheism, which is the stance of most atheists, you don't have to be obtuse about this, I know you know) is orders of magnitude more logical than theism. It doesn't pretend to know things that it doesn't know.

Agnostic atheism is fallacious . It is an appeal to ignorance fallacy . There is nothing logical about a fallacy . There is no God because there is no evidence for God or it has not found one yet so it leans towards the non existence of God . That's why there's 'atheism' [rejection of the existence of God] attached to it .

Again , if you reject the existence of a creator , how can you rely on a brain that you believe came from random unguided process to elicit rational thoughts and acknowledge the existence of God if it finds one . Isn't that irrational ?

Atheism : In the beginning , there was nothing ; Now we have everything including intelligent conscious mind that can express will .

Atheism has to be only for the retardedd honestly .

KingEbukasBlog:


Rejecting the existence of God seems to give you comfort apparently . You seem to be afraid of God's existence , so you are quick to reject His existence because it gives you comfort.



If you think the "God hypothesis" failed Occam's razor then multiverse cosmology raped and violated it . But you are quick to embrace it

List these attributes . Let's scrutinize them .



I didn't know your rejection of God's existence was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance



God of the gaps arguments ? What then is I don't know but its not God arguments called ? Not-God of the gaps argument



And you pretend like you know there is no God .



Lawrence Krauss was certain of his knowledge of the universe's beginning . He claimed in his book 'Universe from Nothing' that he has answered the question : Why does something rather than exist .

Sean Carroll seems to be certain that his model for is more likely to be possible than the existence of God . yet he has no shred of evidence



I don't know why this is difficult for you and your ilks to understand. You can't be an atheist -one who rejects the existence of a cosmic designer- and then claim that you don't know . You don't know but its not God . Is that the Not-God of the gaps argument ?

Perfect response Bro.

dalaman:


Tell winner01 or KingEbukasBlog to provide evidence that Yahweh exist they'll start telling you how atheist kill millons of people that Yahweh the all powerful loves and wants to have a personal relationship with without being able to do anything to protect them despite their cries and pleas for him to help them.

With each argument they keep proving that their God is imaginary.

When will you and other Atheists give us Evidence of past or present Evolution,or give us the chemical equation or step by step breakdown of the Abiogenesis process.
When will you Atheists tell us how Matter and Energy came into existence from nothing or how a motionless,thoughtless,and lifeless force gave birth to the entire Universe.

Pls am waiting.

Foxyn:
I became a Christian after reading from the atheists on this forum.

they only have mouth but can't defend their selves to my taste

Lol.....only mouth nothing more. there is No God so how did the Universe come into existence? Chance

Give us evidence of Chance? they go MUTE.

CatfishBilly:
I had my doubts about religion.
Reading Nairaland debates/arguments especially Hardmirror and Lennycool made me embrce it, made me become more confident with my ideology and belief (lack thereof)

You mean made you a prisoner?

proudafrogal:
I became agnostic by reading Muslim vs Christian debates on nairaland. but before nairaland I was already having doubts about Christianity. so I started searching for the right religion and God and it led me to agnosticism.

And i know you still have not found peace. keep searching maybe try Buddahism.

HardMirror:

We said travel by road or by air and see how scared christians in particular are of death, even more than the moslims

Hahahahahahahahaha

Ishilove:

If what you say is true then 4everGod is a learner. Hardmirror has successfully beaten that. He made multiple claims of performing miracles, leading church groups and winning souls, too numerous to enumerate here, with no single evidence to back it up.

Same old tactics. List the lies, you can't. I provided several names all my claims where backed with names location and those involved. Reaching on the day of the dumb boy's healing Dr Adedeji showed up on 4everGod's thread, I asked him to ask his dad about the outreach to ajabuto, he has refused to get back on the issue. What about the life Oasis brother that claimed he knew me in the church but said all I was after was title in the church, he never denied my claim title in the church (obviosly jealous he had not achieved what I achieved). What about azo? What about ASF ? Why are members of the fellowship calling me but refusing to comment on nairaland? Lol they are afraid their beloved brother is now an athiest and they know commenting will only drag the fellowship in the mud, or do you think they are not aware of the thread? Lol. The news had sp and that is why caccf bbrethren quickly came to save the name of their fellowship but it would be so hard for asf to do the same. The know I speak the truth. Only a fool would not see the truth of the matter.

blueAgent:





And i know you still have not found peace. keep searching maybe try Buddahism.

What a joke, have christians found peace? Lol. What peace? Christians that are shouting baba pick up my call? Or christians binding and casting imaginary demons? Christians fighting and calling fire on imaginary enemies? Christians struggling to look rich every sunday? Christians struggling like every other person? What peace? Christians scared of death, they keep shouting Jesus! Whenever you travel with them by road or by air? They are scared of death, scared of enemies, scared of demons. What peace are you talking about? Or peace has a new defination?

baylord101:
U mean these Prof?

if that's how u see it..ok..carry on..we have the good the bad, the right the left, the Christians the atheist, how many times do u want me to tell u atheism was predicted in the Bible..look bro the earth is complicated try to understand it a little bit u would find out how scary destiny is thing just don't happen bro they happen for a reason.

ever wondered how u came to life, ever wondered what was around before earth was formed, ever wondered WHY humans die,


on a short note the blunt truth...u were destined from the beginning to become an atheist...it is your destiny so chose wisely Christianity is not how the church of today portray it to be it is simple, calm and enlightening