fabselad:


YEAH YOUR RIGHT JUST LIKE A F-7 REMAINS A CLONED MIG-21 IRRESPECTIVE OF THE CHANGE OF NAME.

lionel4power:

this is the last am commenting onthis topic.

sincerely i know how things are with buying and integrating new modern military technology. I know that it is difficult, with the ever dwindling funds availaible. Plus world politicking et al... Believe it or not few people here follow defense related news and information online more than me--insults aside. Heck i even have a military news blog. so i know what am talking about.

The problem is not with me but with some people here who don't want a contradictory response. When they say Nigeria is the best in the world we should all shout 'YESSIR!!' when deep down we know that we are seriously lacking. I just posted a honest-to-God comment based on our fighter to TRAINER/TRANSPORT ratio and i was expecting a really intelligent counter-argument instead all i got was a fast screeching dive-bombing assault from the Nigerian Defense forces guys here.


Ask them to rein-in their horses instead and not me.

SupremeCourt:
Video in the news after the pictures. No name of any country or flag on the new double seat jet. So can it be Nigerian that is expected since last year?

The jet flies and lands in this video

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/pakistan-successfully-tests-the-new-improved-jf-17b-thunder/

lionel4power:
its a very simple mathematics Pakistan ordered 150 JF-17s since 1999

70 has been delivered while 30 block II ia currently being delivered atleast till before this year runs out.

After the 30 JF-17 block IIs, 14 block IIs will also be delivered hopefully before this year runs out or by early next year.
And after that the last 50 units of JF-17B will be delivered around 2018.

so right now they are still at testing and development stage of the JF-17B with weapons integration to follow up later.


so you see Pakistan has a large order that needs to be met first which is a priority before any other country. Unless they increase their production capacity anytime soon then we might not see our Thunders till year end or early 2018. Pakistan hasn't finish taking delivery of the second batch of 30 block IIs and we are already through half of the year

lionel4power:


yeah I know.. anything less than an AESA is totally rubbish. if TRUE then it would boost our air defense posture astronomically especially when its paired with a very capable AA missile. Am more focused on air defence first before any other thing.

When air superiority is lost then the war has been lost. -- lionel4power

Odunayaw:
All this dragging leads me to bliv NAF r not in a hurry per se
China also produces the jets and we could have ordered from them

SupremeCourt:
Video in the news after the pictures. No name of any country or flag on the new double seat jet. So can it be Nigerian that is expected since last year?

The jet flies and lands in this video

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/pakistan-successfully-tests-the-new-improved-jf-17b-thunder/

tdayof:


You're just a damn fanboy who knows nothing about radar systems. Stop your internet Bullshit... Anything less than an AESA is totally rubbish?

I guess the Russians don't even agree with you.

lionel4power:
chinese jets are slightly different from the Pakistanis in terms of Avionics and weapon integration. The pak version can carry Both NATO and eastern block weapon system. so I believe that the FG preferred the Paks version for the flexibility.

although the Chinese still has about 60% input in all variant of the thunder

lionel4power:
I cant find any iota of meaningful communication in your post... only atempted internet cyber bullying which you woefully suck at.

Anyway what comes close to an AESA right now is probably PESA which is the forerunner of AESA. Anything else is not worth it.

Odunayaw:
true that

tdayof:


Not cyber bullying. I don't do that, I'm definitely going to pick on any thing you post wrongly here.

I can remember you quoting me with insult on a post that made FP. I didn't even mention you but you decided to be rude.

AESA Radar are good but that doesn't make you call other radar rubbish is very wrong. The Gripen doesn't even use an AESA radar (excluding the NG)


You're the one who comes online to spew rubbish Whixh you can't backup with claims while condemning others.

lionel4power:
what the Fg should have done was purchased the TOT with automatic production right then we can get the chinese to rig us the production factory. Under 3 years or so we would have gotten atleast 3 squardrons of the thunder. we could have even gotten export right with small finger twisting and arm wringing.

Well that's one costly mistake they made but who am I to complain?? lets just siddon look.

and wait

Odunayaw:
TOT with how many purchase
best we can get is MRO facility
Anyway shift make I siddon too

lionel4power:
am still waiting for you to refute my claim instead you just keep talking EVERYTHING EXCEPT that one thing.


BTW I dont condemn peoples opinion instead I try to encourage it which is why you people always attack me on this thread or have you forgotten?

I like healthy conversations

Odunayaw:
TOT with how many purchase
best we can get is MRO facility
Anyway shift make I siddon too

tdayof:


Each program needs to consider its requirements, budget, schedule, and risks when deciding whether to use or not to use a particular type of radar.

If I am to find a disadvantage/disadvantages for the AESA,  I'll say price but I'll surely find a radar that does perfectly what an AESA will also do except for those that I'll mention below.

AESA generate alot of heat the ones in use by US of A make use of polyalphaolefin (PAO) coolant similar to a synthetic hydraulic fluid to cool the array. The reliability of the GaAs (Gallium Arsenide) MMIC that the array uses is significantly impacted by the temperature they run at.  Ratheon currently has an AESA radar that works based on GaN (Gallium Nitride) due to its more effective nature and this means a more expensive radar.

Those are the disadvantages I can sight for the AESA.


I'll love to mention some advantages the AESA may have which are;
1) Low possibility to Intercept .
2)Agile radar beam therefore giving it the advantage to spread it's beams across a large frequency.( This gives it the chance to track more targets)
3) it's solid state semi conductors module that can be repaired gradually.

Leaving all these,  I do not see where other types of radar are lacking.


I have just mentioned those things the AESA have as an advantage so I'm waiting for you to tell me how these makes other radars total  rubbish.


I agree AESA is a good radar , what I'm against is your saying others are total rubbish.

lionel4power:

my original post was (((anything less than an AESA is
totally rubbish. ))) but you accused me of saying bullshit. and then I asked you to prove me wrong.

instead you wrote a long post ABOUT PROVING ME RIGHT hahahah telling the good features of an AESA radar collectively known as APAR.

... using reversed psychology on me...

well atleast it shows that you are quick on your feet and not a slowpoke.

I still maintain my stance that the AESA beats any other radar type from 1900 till 2017.

anyway I would have love to write a long post like you too now but my computer is down at the moment and I hate typing on phone.

I just have 3 things for you

no 1) ALL RADARS HEATS UP
no 2) I KNOW YOU JUST WENT ON GOOGLE COPY SOME STUFF AND PASTE HERE
no 3) YOU CAN YOU USE AN AESA AS A FAST NETWORK WIFI (Am sure you didny know that)

When my computer is charged I'll respond to you properly at the other thread.

SupremeCourt:
Video in the news after the pictures. No name of any country or flag on the new double seat jet. So can it be Nigerian that is expected since last year?

The jet flies and lands in this video

https://en.dailypakistan.com.pk/pakistan/pakistan-successfully-tests-the-new-improved-jf-17b-thunder/

Crazypilot:
We get your point boss but it's wrong to base your assumptions on Internet data without close first hand facts. The F-7NI is a 3rd Gen platform with a lot of modifications carried out. There is a reason it's called "F-7NI" or can we say F-16 is junk because they started production in the seventies. During my training in the US I got to fly and closely evaluate the said they have this and that world class systems (not putting them down) and saw reality.some of the things you listed up about F7-NI are incorrect my boss.
Truly poor leadership and lack of vision has robbed us of our expected levels but common baba we don't deserve to be tagged that way.

Henry240:



The Nigerian Air Force flies 11 F-7 fighter jets as it's primary air defence system.

Nok234:


Ok No problem you are free to say what ever you want but the thing is what you are saying we awair and all of us want what you want. But saying it like this is degrading ... But for sure im ok with there are more to do but dont degrade the Nigerian Military here on internet..

Henry240:


Nobody is degrading Nigeria. You can only degrade when you actually have proper information. Anybody who comes online to say Nigeria has an Air Force of Trainer and Transport aircrafts, when the Nigerian Air Force has 84 offensive aircrafts needs to have his head checked out by a psychiatrist.

You can however say, I know we need 4th gen multi-role fighter jets or air superiority jets or better strike jets. This is absolutely correct, not to make a wild claim that we only have transport and trainer aircrafts.


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