blueAgent:






Perfect response Bro.

blueAgent:




You mean made you a prisoner?

blueAgent:





So you are now a Satan Convict. thats what Atheists are.

proudafrogal:
I became agnostic by reading Muslim vs Christian debates on nairaland. but before nairaland I was already having doubts about Christianity. so I started searching for the right religion and God and it led me to agnosticism.

blueAgent:





When will you and other Atheists give us Evidence of past or present Evolution,or give us the chemical equation or step by step breakdown of the Abiogenesis process.
When will you Atheists tell us how Matter and Energy came into existence from nothing or how a motionless,thoughtless,and lifeless force gave birth to the entire Universe.

Pls am waiting.

KingEbukasBlog:


Cyclical , "Mother and Baby Universe" , Ekpyrotic universe , Smolin's Evolutionary Cosmology(fecund universe) all these bull-crap were conjured to circumvent a beginning . You seriously embrace these ridiculous theories yet have to guts to call someone who accepts the most rational explanation of the universe which the existence of cosmic designer deluded ?

You don't know how the universe came about but you are certain that it is not a conscious cosmic designer ? You people just don't realize how extremely foolish atheism is . Are all these theories not inventions of men ?

Just like Kay17 speculated that multiverses could exist ( idea FIRST gotten from Naruto and other science fictional stories ) but blatantly rejected that a cosmic designer exists .

This is simple but you guys are too slow to understand : if you are ready to embrace the possibility of these ludicrous theories branded as scientific without any shred of evidence then you have no right no audacity to ask for evidence for God .

"I don't know" by the atheist is being shallow and evasive .

blueAgent:





And i know you still have not found peace. keep searching maybe try Buddahism.

KingEbukasBlog:


Cyclical , "Mother and Baby Universe" , Ekpyrotic universe , Smolin's Evolutionary Cosmology(fecund universe) all these bull-crap were conjured to circumvent a beginning . You seriously embrace these ridiculous theories yet have to guts to call someone who accepts the most rational explanation of the universe which the existence of cosmic designer deluded ?




You don't know how the universe came about but you are certain that it is not a conscious cosmic designer ? You people just don't realize how extremely foolish atheism is . Are all these theories not inventions of men ?

Just like Kay17 speculated that multiverses could exist ( idea FIRST gotten from Naruto and other science fictional stories ) but blatantly rejected that a cosmic designer exists .

This is simple but you guys are too slow to understand : if you are ready to embrace the possibility of these ludicrous theories branded as scientific without any shred of evidence then you have no right no audacity to ask for evidence for God .

"I don't know" by the atheist is being shallow and evasive .

HardMirror:

Ebuka intellectual? He uses synonyms of simple words in other to sound intelligent, but intelligence is not a function of vocabulary but the logic in aguement. Infact use of sultry vocabulary is just a way of swaying people with low self esteem. An intelligent man keeps his words simple and easy to understand because he is not afraid of people understanding and challenging his argument. Only egoistic dolts use vocabulary to sheild the stupidity of their argument. Show me just one intelligent post by ebuka

blueAgent:



When will you and other Atheists give us Evidence of past or present Evolution,or give us the chemical equation or step by step breakdown of the Abiogenesis process.
When will you Atheists tell us how Matter and Energy came into existence from nothing or how a motionless,thoughtless,and lifeless force gave birth to the entire Universe.

Pls am waiting.

CoolUsername:


This is the problem you have. You seem to be afraid of uncertainty, so you are quick to hang on to whatever answer gives you comfort. The God hypothesis completely fails the Occam's Razor test by postulating an entity with attributes that are borne from within the universe that it supposedly created.

I didn't know that your faith was based on humanity's current scientific ignorance. Isn't that what we can god of the gaps argument? All you've confirmed is that you pretend to know things that you don't know.

We may very well exist in a multiverse and the universe may not have had a beginning since time didn't exist before the Big Bang but those are just hypotheses (not theories, like you erroneously called them). Nobody hooks on to them dogmatically.

I'm sorry that I don't know the origins of our universe but the truth is that nobody does. We just have a lot of people who pretend to, which is what you're doing now.

valboy20:


Shut the hell up you indoctrinated oaf. Let's agree for once that something did start the universe. How did we get from that thing to the one that want you to cut off the skin of your p.en.is. Can you not see how stupid you are?

If something did start the universe how do you know that thing is still alive. (the imb.e.cile will resort to a relic called the Bible here) A dead or inanimate god does nothing for theism

hopefulLandlord:

How do you get from the God who created the Universe to the one who is worried about the skin on the tip of my Dick?

dalaman:


As much as it pains you, but many atheist don't beleive in evolution. These are scientific postulations not atheistic ones. The Catholic church for example accepts evolution as the process their God used to create the diversity of life and living things we see around us.

I do not know how Matter came about. You claim you do so why don't you tell us?

CatfishBilly:

And God said, let there be matter and there was matter.

hopefulLandlord:


exactly the same thing I asked here



that guy you quoted is who I call "Closet Deist"

Kay17:


At least you should be able to recognize that Kay 17 can not claim the Universe sprung from an abyss of emptiness and at the same time claim the Universe emerged from a larger Mulitiverse.

Your level of dishonesty and self denial strikes me as immaturity in handling centuries old debates on existence itself. We all have to admit that we are engaged in thought experiments by speculations and hypotheses about the beginning of the universe. We were not present to witness the beginning of the Universe in fact we were billions of years late. Yet you act with a puerile certitude that your hypothesis is a naked fact.

Also you lack an understanding of modern science. You are probably stuck with the secondary school level science where every observation can easily be proven in the school lab. But modern science has taken up pace to the point that the epistemological relevance of empirical observations are put to question and that science works with paradigms "within a worldview" and assumptions.

Your attitude surprises me even more considering that your cosmic designer is from a bible

CoolUsername:


That's why I described it as intellectual-sounding sophistry. His arguments look good from far but are in fact, far from good. Almost like every single argument for the existence of God'.

valboy20:


POC buddy. He doesn't have original arguments. He just regurgitates what he reads from Dembski, Paley, Craig, Copan and other apologists

hopefulLandlord:


thought I was the only one that noticed

KingEbukasBlog:


Rotflmaoo ! IS this not the same person that has Giga bytes of atheist debates on his laptop (I have nothing against this though) . How many times have I got you copying verbatim articles and responses from atheists' websites and posting them as if they were yours ? You should be ashamed of yourself mehn

I study the written works of theologians , philosophers , logicians of the past and that is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of . One should stand on the shoulders of giants . One benefits from the wealth of experience of the past . I'm proud of the intellectual materials in my possession : books , articles ,e-books and videos explaining myriads of theological and philosophical concepts .

KingEbukasBlog:
The cosmic designer is conscious and intelligent as an incredibly simple umembodied mind [immaterial body].

KingEbukasBlog:
Only in our universe can minds be embodied. Being conscious makes It self aware , aware that It is eternal , self existent , self sufficient ; It is aware of everything minute even picayune details of any activity that goes on in and outside the universe etc . Being intelligent makes it possible to create complex systems like the universe and everything in it Example : Minds with material bodies like humans that can think and express freedom of will like It does . Will makes it possible for God to create the universe and in any possible way . I.e if God had to chosen to create a 5 dimensional universe It would have done so .

KingEbukasBlog:
Your response would have made sense if the cosmic designer was said to have these attributes while possessing a material body.

KingEbukasBlog:
Agnostic atheism is fallacious . It is an appeal to ignorance fallacy . There is nothing logical about a fallacy . There is no God because there is no evidence for God or it has not found one yet so it leans towards the non existence of God . That's why there's 'atheism' [rejection of the existence of God] attached to it .

KingEbukasBlog:
Again , if you reject the existence of a creator , how can you rely on a brain that you believe came from random unguided process to elicit rational thoughts and acknowledge the existence of God if it finds one . Isn't that irrational ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Atheism : In the beginning , there was nothing ; Now we have everything including intelligent conscious mind that can express will . Atheism has to be only for the retardedd honestly .

KingEbukasBlog:


But sweerie , this is called the Genetic fallacy . And I didn't get the idea of a cosmic designer from the bible. The origin of an idea does not automatically invalidate it . The multiverse cosmology was gotten from science fiction but I deemed it plausible because the cosmic designer could have possibly created a world ensemble . Stay logical hunnie ... but I doubt you can .

Stewie101:
When I debate with theists on this forum, most of their replies seem to implicitly suggest that trying to convince them away from their religious beliefs through tools no other that reason and honesty discuss, is sort of a waste of time, as if my tenable arguments aren't compelling enough to spur anyone to rethink their religious beliefs. I also see similar allusive responses when I read other arguments between theists and atheists.

So my reason for creating this thread isn't just to prove to both Christians and Muslims that the efforts of atheists to enlighten theists about the flaws in their belief system isn't in vain, but also to create a rare opportunity for people to testify about how they questioned and abandoned their religious beliefs just by reading compelling and persuasive arguments by people on this forum.

If anyone isn't comfortable testifying with their main monikers, probably due to fears about public perception, he or she can create another account just for this purpose. People need to know that honest dialogue and civil debate is powerful enough to change minds.

Also, if you are a guest reading this, you can easily just create a username, drop your comment and go back to being a guest.

blueAgent:





So you are now a Satan Convict. thats what Atheists are.

Wilgrea7:
nairaland arguments helped a lot... although i didn't turn atheist... nairaland was the first place that showed me that people had different views... the arguments really helped though... especially the way discussions took place... how i wish frosbel were still on nairaland... he left before i even joined

dalaman:


As much as it pains you, but many atheist don't beleive in evolution. These are scientific postulations not atheistic ones. The Catholic church for example accepts evolution as the process their God used to create the diversity of life and living things we see around us.

I do not know how Matter came about. You claim you do so why don't you tell us?

proudafrogal:


what makes you think I did not try Buddhism lol. there is no difference between my life when I was a Christian and my life now.