OluDare01:
I will never encourage anybody to be illegal in any country.
There's a lot of folks here in the US living illegally and we don't know what Trump would do concerning immigration and deportation.
Personally,I've had a lot of enemies since I came here because they believe I'm being selfish or I don't wanna help.
Here's my experience with different folks.
1) I'm a student,I only work as a teaching assistant with my dept with little pay. Folks at home would be asking for money as if money falls as rain. They don't believe you don't work,cos that's illegal to work off campus in the US.
2) Most people I've talked to want the fast route to making money. They don't wanna take the pain to study and write the GRE. Some don't even wanna spend money for processing at all.How would you help such a person?
3) If you don't have money,you Wil suffer here. I live in one of the cheapest places in the US and I pay approx $320/month as bills.
That's a lot of money in Nigeria,not to talk of feeding and other miscellaneous. If you live in places like New York,Washington D.C., the D.M.V area,Carlifornia to mention but a few,you pay a lot of money as rent. Hence,you need a lot of money before you can live there. People here work hard for the money, that's why they're stingy.
Imagine someone asking me for $100 as if it grows on a tree?
Living abroad comes with challenges. We all have problems but people back home won't understand.

I'll never advise anybody to live illegally. Please don't try it!

AreaFada2:


Thank you dear.

Let me add something. I know at least a dozen people who have lived here for 15 to 25 years and have not visited 9ja once. I'm sure you can imagine the main reason why they cannot visit. Meanwhile, relatives in 9ja believe they are gallivanting here.

Somebody I warned about potential difficulties here if coming if not planned properly has spent over 10 years here now. No means to visit 9ja till now. Back then she dismissed my warning as not wanting to help. Not seen her kids in 9ja for over 10 years now.

Livefreeordieha:
gadamn it..you are the best outta the lots ..you said all I could have...if you Don't live on credit you literally be living from hand to mouth or assist with some side black deals..it only becomes easy if u have a working partner and u split responsibilities/bills..like this u could have a supposed normal life..every con3 aside nja is organized u give back almost all u earn from them in a month..so if I tell u I earn 2600euros a month u ignorantly /greedily won't ask how much is my tax,rent,phone bills,light,water,gabbage,internet/tv box etc..and not to mention that house rent for a month here is wat u lots pay a year back home..

nextstep:


Doubt it. Such a person would still be limited to the number of hours in a day. And a maid making $10/hour times 10hours is looking at a monthly income after tax of 10x10 x 6days x 4weeks x .70 (after tax you keep about 70%) = $1680/month which seems like a lot till you shell out 800 rent, 200 utilities, 400 food, 300 health insurance, 200 transport, and the rest to payback whoever helped you get over there. Before you know it, you find yourself working and not saving anything

bebe2:
This is getting annoying , how come each time a person is asking for directions on how to travel abroad most pple in diaspora will be discouraging the person.

If it's dat terrible why are u still there?

You enjoy the benefits of living in an organised society, knowing fully well that naija is a difficult place to live.

Are u scared of the competition the new immigrants will bring?

Nigerians in diaspora , what exactly are u afraid off??

opribo:
Anybody is free to travel abroad as long as they are travelling with valid documents and for good intentions. When my company sends me on training abroad, I stay in the finest hotels and I try to catch up with friends abroad, what I have noticed is that out of 10 friends I meet perhaps only one is measuring up. The rest are struggling. Some go to work by 2am in the morning and come back by 3pm, some do two different jobs to be able to cope with house rent, and other bills that keep coming and never ending, some don't sit down throughout at their work place, they stand all through, some cannot go out to have a chilled beer and correct point and kill pepper soup. Their routine is work, sleep whenever possible, eat and church whenever their schedule permits. Some cannot return home on holidays because they dont have valid documents thats why you see some 20 years they have not seen home, those that have paper nko they can only come home once during their vacation which is usually like 2 weeks max, 'dem no born them well to stay beyond two weeks' else they are fired and before that time they will be waiting for sales period so they can buy things cheap to come and display here.

Some the work they do over there, they will never try it in Nigeria and yet they are graduates. Honestly, the life of most diasporia people is better described as glorified slavery regardless they have their permanent papers.
When we go out clubbing I end up taking up the entire bill and I am like you guys have the hard currency why should I pay but they tell me it ain't easy to come by. To crown it all the conditions some of them work is very uncomfortable, some work in below -20F temperatures, some tender old sick people with highly contagious disease, some drive UBER, some are into credit card fraud and other crimes. The few that are working in the banks or other high brow offices go through discreet racist treatment yet they cannot complain. All these things comes back to haunt them in their old ages.

So the truth be told, if and only if our leaders can make Nigeria better believe you me no Nigerian will ever prefer to stay in that cold and unacceptable treatment they tolerate.
We have the best weather, we have the best mineral resources, we have the best inland water ways. WHY WHY WHY cant we develop these things. Build a network of interconnected rail line across the country, obey laws, love the country above self, kill corruption and make the laws work irrespective of person, class or position. Provide 24 hours electricity and provide round the clock security that works, build good roads and develop infrastructures, keep our environment clean these are the things the diaspora people enjoy minus that I cant point to anything they have we don't have.

So if you have a good job here, please my sister think twice before you go there to live, of course you can travel to any country to have a good holiday and return back. No place like Naija believe me, forget about the criminals with no good intentions holding on to power thereby destroying our country and mortgaging our future. Some day someone will arise to clean the Augean stables.
We have a rich culture, why dont you ask why some of them prefer to send their kids home for good training and some when they want to marry they think home.

Our leaders are our problem and not our country, our country is blessed with the best weather, good arable land, many culture, deep belief in God and above all a hard working human resource. Our problem are the leaders who destroy this country and when they travel you see them queue up to board planes and even board trains, you see them obey traffic light and queue up at shopping malls to pay.
They are wicked, they are the enemies of this great country, they must be stoned to death anywhere they are found.

OluDare01:

Exactly! Only my parents and siblings understand me,others don't. My uncle lives in New York,he pays $2k/month as rent. That's a lot of money that when people ask him for money and he doesn't respond, I feel his pain.
There's this Naija mentalitywe need to drop. If you travel without a plan,reality sets in and you become stranded. Life is good here but at a cost.

justwise:


@bebe2 you live here in the UK right?

This is what i want you to do..start a thread in this section and invite any Nigerian interested in moving to the UK to live and work then guild them on how to do it LEGITIMATELY

I promise to moderate that thread so that it will not be derailed.

These are the conditions:

1. It shouldn't be used to encourage people to circumvent immigration rules

2. No dropping of contact details or 'pm me for further details'.

3. No agency discussion.


Deal?

claremont:


Which company is he working for that gives him a chauffeur?! I'm not saying he is lying to you, but in developed countries, even the head of blue chip companies either drive themselves to work or they use trains/taxis. I'm guessing if a visa holder can be given a driver, then passport holders working for the same company will be given drivers as well. The company will be spending a lot on drivers for its staff; this is a practise that even Microsoft UK, Apple UK, Schlumberger etc don't even do. The best they do is give a car allowance for you to lease a vehicle, not hiring dedicated drivers for their employees. Infact, I'm keen to know the name of the company your brother works for, maybe I need to dust my CV and apply to work for them.

sukkot:
exactly bro. and you are right living in the west is very expensive especially if you have children. thats the worst. when you have children you are trapped in western hell LOL. YOUR LIFE IS OVER

OluDare01:

Exactly! Only my parents and siblings understand me,others don't. My uncle lives in New York,he pays $2k/month as rent. That's a lot of money that when people ask him for money and he doesn't respond, I feel his pain.
There's this Naija mentalitywe need to drop. If you travel without a plan,reality sets in and you become stranded. Life is good here but at a cost.

exactly "At a cost"
2,000 can get u what in Nigeria? A business an he'd only using that money to house himself by the month in the US

bebe2:


Bro bad experience dey everywhere,

Abroad own there is hope atleast. Naija can be hopeless oo

I have seen pple born , raised and died in abject porverty.

MissCheezyPuff:
exactly "At a cost"
2,000 can get u what in Nigeria? A business an he'd only using that money to house himself by the month in the US

Livefreeordieha:
I know bro..its funny the way u hear send me even if na 100euros..lol

bjhaid:
Oh really?, You've blown the matter outta proportion, no need for further discussions.

salford:

I dont discourage people to migrate especially if they are under some dire situation.
If you have a good job plus career in naija, can afford good hospitals, live well, afford holidays overseas e.t.c then they might want to consider d "abroad" option well. The "abroad" could be a career suicide at times.

OluDare01:

Lol,he was a church mouse in Naija.
He won visa lottery so he's doing well now. When I was in Naija,anytime he travel back home,na singlets him dey bring for me lol.
But after I did the processing myself d got here,he come dey do me well.
The key is to cross the border legally,things would be fine if you're legal

different topic. I'm not talking about the How Non Americans come over but how life in a 1st world country is comfort at a cost.
u will pay here .
u could have used that money at home to own a business
There a opportunities gallore in 3rd world countries because they have less luxuries/necessities U can provide an be rich

But not just that there are doctors ,businesses/Companies,schools,Universities and everything else in Nigeria same as the US where thy can work why not get a degree an good job there?


Foreigners claim they want opportunity and a better life in America but what they want is a. Easy/comfortable life in a premade country

Lexusgs430:


Who tells you every maid earns $10, did not migrate independently pays Tax and not having flexible housing arrangements with an employer?

Saintsquare:
Op they are coming for u o ,they will tell how its so difficult to live abroad ,they will also list lots of tax to make it seems no be human being dey pay am. They would come home to show off wealth they accumulated, post nice things on social media for people to hail them but when you mention your interest to come then voila they will describe abroad like Somalia.. I don't encourage peeps who got no travel plans thereby turning to illegal immigrants which might result to being homeless, have a solid and sensible plan.Nigeria is really not easy o,may God help us.

AreaFada2:


Have you visited them?

Well try and visit. Please when you visit try to know all the bills they pay. Why they work so hard. Because if you see them in their current home, you will not see how much suffering, hard work & determination they put in to achieve what you now call "doing very well". Their years of struggle will not be seen.

Telling family members to visit is not because it is easy. It is generosity that many do not understand.

The kind of determination & hard work needed is massive, knowing you are your own.

The mentality that it is easy is why many relatives squander money sent from abroad.

From years of experience, I am aware that there is no point arguing it. Almost every Nigerian believes he knows everything, even America more than Donald Trump. Hence the shock many experience when eventually they get here.

bebe2:


Am not replying because of u but for others who will read this.

U have no advantage over me on experience both outside and inside Nigeria.

I left naija wen I was 24, and have been coming back to naija twice a year. I see wats on ground.

To be able to heal, u need to first admit u are ill.

MissCheezyPuff:
different topic. I'm not talking about the How Non Americans come over but how life in a 1st world country is comfort at a cost.
u will pay here .
u could have used that money at home to own a business
There a opportunities gallore in 3rd world countries because they have less luxuries/necessities U can provide an be rich

But not just that there are doctors ,business schools universities and everything else in Nigeria same as the US why not get a degree an good job there?


Foreigners claim they want opportunity and a better life in America but what they want is a. Easy/comfortable life in a premade country

helpyom:
That's why i created a thread about my loved one over there.it's so painful please help us ooo for ppl that has little to be ssupported



God help us ooo for people that don't even have helpers but to the facts of not getting encouragement from our fellow Nigerians and loved ones over there not fair the hardship in this country is hell.


We have high numbers of youths ready to work but no work people just manage anything they see you can imagine working 11hrs here everyday for 6 days in a week with little stipends.

What would make one not reason leaving here.

AreaFada2:
Bebe2,

To be honest it is not fashionable to be honest when dealing with our fellow Nigerians, especially if you live abroad. They start calling you enemy of progress.

I have actively discouraged Nigerians from coming to the West ANYHOW.

We know what we suffered back then. A close friend froze to death on the street, sleeping rough. It could have been me. Once money was exhausted, we had no place to sleep. His miserable death haunts me till today.

But when you tell people, they say "but you have made it now, you very fine now, it cannot be as bad as 9ja na, etc." I don't even know what "made it" mean in their imagination.

I always advice people to come as postgrad students, with enough money in their pockets. That way, even if they have to return home, the time wasn't wasted.

I have discouraged many social media "friends" from crossing Sahara desert with the help of a "sponsor" to Italy. Those who did not listen. They are paying off 30 to 50K Euros now doing prostitution. Some have been honest enough to say "I wish I listened to your advice".

Nobody is afraid of anyone. Many abroad just do not want others to make the mistake they made, either by abandoning their studies, travelling with anyhow documents, coming with tourist visa and overstaying, quitting a good job to travel abroad, etc.

An example: a cousin of mine worked for about 11 years in a first generation bank. He quit and came abroad. I just bumped into him one day. He jumped and hugged me. I did not recognise him right away, being tall & big guy now. He died here in diaspora a couple of years ago. He regretted his decision to travel abroad, despite having a wife and 3 kids here.

A friend also quit a first generation bank job to travel. He regretted it daily. He died of cancer here around 5 years back, leaving 4 kids behind.

Both lived abroad in regret, after quitting well paid jobs in 9ja. Those of us who left as teenagers took it more in our stride, after the difficult first few years.

People should be well informed before travelling. Not just anyhow, to any destination believing you can make huge money anywhere abroad.

We have ruined our name enough abroad: scam/fraud, drug trafficking, prostitution, etc. Mostly due to unplanned travelling out.

Reni1:
I had to sign in after 10years to comment on this distasteful thread. First, every one has a prerogative whether to help you or not. Even if one chooses not to help because of competition, it's their right. Nevertheless, IN America people barely have time for themselves not to talk of someone else. Parents live in the same city with their children but they don't see for months because of crazy schedule.

My friend paid for marriage 15,000$ , two years after she withdrew his immigration petition. Imagine after hustling, pay and the money goes down the drain. The guy is.now illegal and wants to commit suicide. Na beg we dey beg am. He doesn't have a steady job, and now he can't get work permit.