So you have blatantly ignored the crux of the matter.

What a shame!

Many people are unaware that the industrial revolution rode on the back of a spiritual revolution in Europe.

Many of the great inventors and scientists back then were Christians.

Its the opposite today. No great thinkers are found in the church again because of people like you who dodge the responsibility that Christ gave to give light to the world because Evangelism is the only way you feel you can impact the world.

Shame!

Joagbaje:



Everything has its place . Population is on increase . Churches must be planted . That doesn't stop any problem you want to solve.

Until More Industries are been Set Up instead of Churches, until more people spend the night on research and developing themselves, instead of Vigils, Nigeria would remain where it is.. Period

kk

Someone summarize this poo

2016v2017:
I weep.............

Where are Christian APC leaders?

"Where are the Christians who sold the Church? The Islamic agenda is being perfected. Prof Ishaq Oloyede, a prominent Islamic fanatic who said he was not aware Christians are being attacked and killed is now to head JAMB replacing Prof Ojerinde, a Baptist.
Four Muslims were not replaced, but left to continue. Out of the 17 offices, 9 new replacement are Muslims and 4 retained are Muslims. 13 out of 17 are now Muslims. NUC, Muslim, JAMB, Muslim; TETFUND , Muslim.
Where are those Christian leaders who sold the Church for a plate of porridge?
Where are those telling us Prof Yemi Osinbajo would stand for the Church being a Pastor?
Do they involve him in all these lopsided appointments in favour of the North and Muslims or not? Do we have Christians among the APC leaders? Does Odigie-Oyegun, the chairman of the ruling party belong to the Catholic church?
The fact that Buhari released these appointments the same day, the PUNCH Newspaper published an Editorial titled"Buhari's parochial appointments", a paper that endorsed his candidacy is a dirty slap on the nation.
To say the least, it is a corruption with immunity. Many are afraid and being intimidated by the security operatives. Have we become second class citizens in our own country?"
MY TAKE:
Sadly the answer to the question is "YES", Christians are now second class citizens in Nigeria. We warned our people but they wouldn't listen.
Nigerians said they wanted "change" and now they must live with it. Every Christian that supported President Buhari and the APC, including some of the most prominent Church leaders, should bow their heads in shame.
As long as this evil continues we will not remain silent and neither shall we be intimidated. No matter how hard they try Nigeria will NEVER be Islamised and neither will our faith be rubbished.
Rather than add to the injury sustained by fellow Christian soldiers in the battle of life through mockery and condemnation and the likes, help to support and aid the recovery of the wounded. You become weak and vulnerable each time a fellow Christian falls.
Pastors fighting pastors, churches fighting churches.
We call our Christian leaders to at least float a political party against the next coming election
Politics is dirty because we left it for dirty people. We must rise to do the needful and stop complaining.
Then with prayers, we would make it.
Pls forward these messages to ALL Christians known to you

You're deviating from the main point here... Please next time... Read and understand before you comment... Thank you

[quote author=Sibe007 post=55792938]Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.[/quote guess u r unemployed]

Members gat wise up!

There are no scammers in Nigeria today than churches. My annoyance is that they milk people unrepentantly even unemployed and underemployed members.

How can one help an unemployed relative with some amount of money to start a little business and all he does is to first go pay tithe. The devilish pastor accepted the tithe of a struggling-to-eat young man and someone expect me to step my foot in a church again

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

Make RCCG Catch u sir, Especially Baba Adeboye. Bro Our churches Should make changes too. Let them create, They should remember it was created for member welfare. Shalom

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

Where is the Op... I think this guy has given the best reply to you.
let me add a little to what he has already said.
You people should not just throw the blame to the churches as if they are the cause of what is happening in this country.
Most of the things you've listed are the responsibilities of the government to provide in a very sane society/country... Yes.
This is not to say that religious bodies do not have their parts to play too

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

and the curch is whom you cry against? why are Nigerian youths eager and quick to slander the church and not your joke of a government? Why not let's go and kill some senators instead of this let's go and bash churches?

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

bros u av spoken very well, dis was wat I was just telling a friend of mine who is a member of rccg in Warri, I am a Catholic just for records..

Formally d Catholic mission in Warri was focus on humanitarian service, but since d pentecostal churches came wit dia branch opening n school buildings, all mission who did humanitarian services have shifted to revenue generating service...

churches can build orphanages, old pples home, fire n emergency service, hospitals, leposoria, farms, labs n research centers, technology hubs n centers... I don't knw why de ar so crazy abt schools, opening new branches n even recently guest houses...

besides all d talk abt goin fishing is to convert Christians from church to church, no new convert from traditional religion, Islam, atheist to christianity...

d tin de tire me...

Mementoes:
Excellent piece. How wonderful it will be if we can channel the funds used on all these religious activities onto something meaningful.
I mean this life is only what we can prove. Let's cut back on uncertainties.

can you reason? your government have been using the people's taxes and oil revenue to fund their greed and somehow the money freely donated to the church is the one you cowards who cant tell a fraudulent senator to his face just what he is, is what you are after? Why are Nigerian youths so dumb?

SirJeffry:
There are no scammers in Nigeria today than churches. My annoyance is that they milk people unrepentantly even unemployed and underemployed members.

How can one help an unemployed relative with some amount of money to start a little business and all he does is to first go pay tithe. The devilish pastor accepted the tithe of a struggling-to-eat young man and someone expect me to step my foot in a church again

and your governors stealing public funds nko? at least these people give of their own will. Why do you people have misplaced priorities?

To all of you shouting the church has not done enough for the society.
To all of you saying there are no longer great thinkers.
Have you sat down to think...
What have you done to change or add value to Nigeria?
You want people to stop doing what gives them joy and start building industries, as an Individual what have you personally done or built? The church that handed you the flyer was started by one man, why not start your own organization and see how it goes? Stop hating someone for what they believe in, it doesn't change anything.
You cry for more industries, yet criticize the church for building and owning schools. You say they don't create employment yet criticize them for setting standards before they employ a staff. How hypocritical can we go. If religion doesn't help you, then don't disturb others who find joy in it. Its their money, they pay offering and tithe with it. Try using yours to save someone's life or build an industry. I bet the money you spend on drinking alcohol is more than 10% of your income

Sibe007:


Must be planted?

What problems does churches solve in Nigeria seeing the amount of time and resources Nigerians expend.

Hundreds of thousands of people serve as pastors under these churches, they get paid before the months ends cause they are under an administration that is not gullible like your federal government.

You are leaving those you should fight alone and you are ranting here.

Let's go a fishing programme is targeted towards winning lost souls like yours and church expansion to new sites.

Tell your federal government to learn from RCCG's Let's go a fishing programme and increase employment.

Well, I've read through the comments so far. I discovered people have started to blame the church for the failure of government. The raw truth is that there is nothing any man can do about that. God has blessed the church already though church is beginning to fail too.
Op, you have a good idea, why not turn it to a vision and a mission instead of waging war against a vision God gave to His servant. There are many like you who have seen problems around them and they turned it to great visions and they are making great impact on the lives of the ordinary people. Your idea is very great and I buy into it. Please ask God for help to transform it to real vision and you will achieve it and we shall all be blessed. Attacking the church wont yield any fruit, go develop on your vision.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

the only reason i chose to comment is because i know in your head you feel you have made sense. Do you know how many men the churches salary are keeping off the streets? The welfare services they offer? Any reasonable person with a working head wont challenge a church to create JOBS THAT IS WHAT YOUR USELESS GOVERNMENT IS FOR! WHEN DID YOU CHALLENGE YOUR LOOTERS LAST?!

Tender1:
I don't find myself loving any girl anymore after what my ex did to me, I only feel better talking about it. I do really love her. What should I do. Please. No matter how hard I try to forget her, I can't. It's 2 years now, she was the first girl I disvirgin, Though I've tried my best to move on, still yet I don't find myself loving any girl, maybe because I'm scared??

u no go bend down read ur book dis boy! u dey here dey kill urself over girls when fit marry any man when ready n leave u to ur foolishness.

Xtopher123:
Until More Industries are been Set Up instead of Churches, until one can spend the night on research and developing himself, instead of Vigils, Nigeria would remain where it is.. Period

It depends on the church you're attending. The church I'm attending, it spurs me into great Research and Developing myself even better than if I wasn't going. I can't stop going... because I want to develop myself and the society more.

nwakaibeya1:
Every success, Every wealth, Every marriage ,every business ,every living life and every human being lives a life originating and propelled and powered from the spiritual world,either evil or good,knowingly or unknowingly ,by self or by proxy and very many people are evil and pretends to be good before the spiritual ignorant people and that's why evil dominate these spheres of life mentioned above hence we told those who care to listen that it's only at night that we know who is who, that's the hidden world where every interaction is genuine and naked there are no pretenses at night and that's where the battles of life are fought won or lost unknown to those who are spiritually blind those we call noise makers don't understand the hidden world they just open their mouth and talk but those who understand the hidden world peep when they read me before they talk because they understand the consequences of vain challenge. Mathew 13,13-14

1. I beg you in the name of God, don't write exams this same way
2. What are you actually saying?
3. Does all this relate to the topic?
4. We know you know the bible very well. How many millions of naira have you earned using that knowledge?
5. Tell your pastor to build a company with his money or shut the fúck up

Me that have stopped giving church money.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

Its problem solving na,

Solving his financial problems.

Who ever is falling for that their talk has their selves to blame .

Afam4eva:
That's RCCG slogan which they employed when they started expanding throughout Nigeria.

When they started expanding throughout nigeria You pple just continue your discussion but saying what you don't know is unacceptable before God. Let's go a fishing has been in existence even before you can ever imagine.

Mitcheeeeeeeeew.... so church shd take over frm Govt abi?........ let church do deir business & let govt do hers...... once church engage in govt affairs itz dsame u dat wud say politics has bin transfered to d church...... @least dem try for d private unis wey dem bring

OH LORD GOD! THIS MAN HAS CANCELLED THE VISION YOU GAVE YOUR SERVANT ADEBOYE ON NAIRALAND. HE SAID YOUR VISION IS NO MORE RELEVANT AND HE CANCELLED IT AND EVERYONE KEEPS ATTACKING YOUR CHURCH!!!! LET THIS MAN KNOW THIS DAY THAT THE LET'S GO A FISHING IS NOT A FRAUD. LET THIS MAN EXPERIENCE THE PRACTICAL IMPLICATION JUST LIKE PAUL DID! LORD I ASK THAT THE ISSUES THAT WILL CARRY HIM TO THE GOD OF ADEBOYE WILL HAPPEN TODAY! LET HIM KNOW THAT YOU ARE THE GOD OF ADEBOYE!!!!

petra1:



The church has solved countless problems . People delivered from drug abuse,alchoholism , robbery, witchcraft, etc etc and above all salvation from hell

all those you're counting don't change things in real world. You can change all this with good advice for these people or if the country is in a better place most of these won't happen. You say hell, we haven't seen that yet, just a transfer rumors.

For the hungry and ignorant man, food is god.

Joagbaje:
Everything has its place . Population is on increase . Churches must be planted . That doesn't stop any problem you want to solve.

Hahahahahahahahaha

I was thinking along that line, church planting is a solution in itself, to satisfy the teeming need for Shepherds that will help fleece the flock, for the sheeple are many scattered all over the land.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

Good bless you for this thread. I have always maintained that there is a conspiracy between our religious leaders, traditional rulers and our politicians. And they all have something in common. Intellectual laziness. It's easier to collect tithe and offering than to set up factories and employ people.

It's shameful that as a nation we can't feed ourselves but who cares? Sunday morning churches are filled up and Africans are praying and shouting sweet Hallelujah forgetting that prayer is not in the success equation but in the revelation equation. Good roads, electricity, jobs etc only comes as a result of sound decision.

VULCAN:
So you have blatantly ignored the crux of the matter.

What a shame!

Many people are unaware that the industrial revolution rode on the back of a spiritual revolution in Europe.

Many of the great inventors and scientists back then were Christians.

Its the opposite today. No great thinkers are found in the church again because of people like you who dodge the responsibility that Christ gave to give light to the world because Evangelism is the only way you feel you can impact the world.

Shame!

Let me take a cue from you.

Jesus, light of the world, right?

Meaning Nigeria right now having "light" problems, what is church doing about it as the custodian of the "light?"

We have forgotten that Gregor Mendel, the father of modern genetics, was a Friar.

(Friars are different from monks in that they are called to live the evangelical counsels (vows of poverty, chastity and obedience) in service to society, rather than through cloistered asceticism and devotion. Wikipedia)

Sibe007:


Must be planted?

What problems does churches solve in Nigeria seeing the amount of time and resources Nigerians expend.

they give hope