HCpaul:


But we are talking about real world problems.

The above are either addiction or habitual acts and can only be stopped by discipline and by not indulging in them.

There is more to life than just doing good or bad.
Doing good is just to create a better society or environment that will harbor peaceful living.

Though am not justifying robbery but I think that its rise is as a result of societal factors.

People don't have job.... Won't they eat Especially when they have responsibilities like tithes and offering to meet up with in church on Sunday.

Just imagine if the number of mega churches and mosques we have in this country are all factories, industries, companies and big organizations, you wouldn't even bother to disturb God again every Sunday with repetitive demands and petitions.

2016v2017:
I weep.............

Where are Christian APC leaders?

"Where are the Christians who sold the Church? The Islamic agenda is being perfected. Prof Ishaq Oloyede, a prominent Islamic fanatic who said he was not aware Christians are being attacked and killed is now to head JAMB replacing Prof Ojerinde, a Baptist.
Four Muslims were not replaced, but left to continue. Out of the 17 offices, 9 new replacement are Muslims and 4 retained are Muslims. 13 out of 17 are now Muslims. NUC, Muslim, JAMB, Muslim; TETFUND , Muslim.
Where are those Christian leaders who sold the Church for a plate of porridge?
Where are those telling us Prof Yemi Osinbajo would stand for the Church being a Pastor?
Do they involve him in all these lopsided appointments in favour of the North and Muslims or not? Do we have Christians among the APC leaders? Does Odigie-Oyegun, the chairman of the ruling party belong to the Catholic church?
The fact that Buhari released these appointments the same day, the PUNCH Newspaper published an Editorial titled"Buhari's parochial appointments", a paper that endorsed his candidacy is a dirty slap on the nation.
To say the least, it is a corruption with immunity. Many are afraid and being intimidated by the security operatives. Have we become second class citizens in our own country?"
MY TAKE:
Sadly the answer to the question is "YES", Christians are now second class citizens in Nigeria. We warned our people but they wouldn't listen.
Nigerians said they wanted "change" and now they must live with it. Every Christian that supported President Buhari and the APC, including some of the most prominent Church leaders, should bow their heads in shame.
As long as this evil continues we will not remain silent and neither shall we be intimidated. No matter how hard they try Nigeria will NEVER be Islamised and neither will our faith be rubbished.
Rather than add to the injury sustained by fellow Christian soldiers in the battle of life through mockery and condemnation and the likes, help to support and aid the recovery of the wounded. You become weak and vulnerable each time a fellow Christian falls.
Pastors fighting pastors, churches fighting churches.
We call our Christian leaders to at least float a political party against the next coming election
Politics is dirty because we left it for dirty people. We must rise to do the needful and stop complaining.
Then with prayers, we would make it.
Pls forward these messages to ALL Christians known to you

SirJeffry:
There are no scammers in Nigeria today than churches. My annoyance is that they milk people unrepentantly even unemployed and underemployed members.

How can one help an unemployed relative with some amount of money to start a little business and all he does is to first go pay tithe. The devilish pastor accepted the tithe of a struggling-to-eat young man and someone expect me to step my foot in a church again

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

opeaceo:
As much as I do not agree with Churches building parishes at every nook and cranny of the streets, it's the job of the government to provide the enabling environment for jobs to thrive and not the religious bodies.

In Nigeria, we leave the crux of the matter and focus on the non essentials. The rants should be directed at the government.

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

otemanuduno:
-Yes! Let's go a-doing
-Let's go a-performing!
-Let's go a- achieving!
-Then we shall be a great nation.

Let's go a-researching
Let's go a-thinking
Let's go a-helping
Then we shall become the winners

-Let's go a-refusing
To be many a-sheep
Let's go a-trying
Then we shall be the strongest.

Cc:KingEbukasBlog, Hahn, HopefulLandlord, Wilgrea7, Realmindz

EagleNest:
Well said. Correct! I wonder what govt were actually set up to do if citizens prefer not to hold them responsible.

Gibrima1:
While it is not a bad line of thought in and of itself, the church just like a court was established for certain core purposes; and the core purpose for which God established churches in to reconcile men to himself. And love of God inspired by the Holy Spirit in the heart of men is the vehicle with which this will be achieved.

Why do people not ask courts or dancehalls/clubs to engage in research just just the way OP is asking the church to?

anitapreeti:
Trash!!

What value have you added to your neighborhood? A typical Nigerian, mouth power!

HCpaul:


But we are talking about real world problems.

The above are either addiction or habitual acts and can only be stopped by discipline and by not indulging in them.

There is more to life than just doing good or bad.
Doing good is just to create a better society or environment that will harbor peaceful living.

Though am not justifying robbery but I think that its rise is as a result of societal factors.

People don't have job.... Won't they eat Especially when they have responsibilities like tithes and offering to meet up with in church on Sunday.

Just imagine if the number of mega churches and mosques we have in this country are all factories, industries, companies and big organizations, you wouldn't even bother to disturb God again every Sunday with repetitive demands and petitions.

Sibe007:


Must be planted?

What problems does churches solve in Nigeria seeing the amount of time and resources Nigerians expend.

godquality:
OP you are looking at the big pic that's why. Try look at the small pic. They are going fishing because they need new members who will in turn pay thithes and Thanksgiving and other levies imposed on the already suffering masses whose greatest sins are their faith and believe that soon their call will be answered. So opening new branches will guarantee a pastor a job, as well as some other "workers of the church" some income.

On a serious note though, i can't agree more with the OP. We have more churches than pure water sachet on the streets. What's the rational of having 5 different churches​ in one Street?. Are they not serving the same God? What kind of competition are they creating for themselves? Look at the same streets, you will never count up to 5 similar biz on a street compared to a church.. but still we are the most wicked self centered hypocrites race the world know.

anitapreeti:


Trash!!

What value have you added to your neighborhood? A typical Nigerian, mouth power!

anitapreeti:


Why didn't you 'go a thinking' before coming to type that.
It begins with you!!

MakeADifference:
Am starting with the man in the mirror
Am asking him to change his ways
No message could be any clearer
If you wanna make the world a better place,
Take a look at yourself and be the change

Johnrake69:


Good bless you for this thread. I have always maintained that there is a conspiracy between our religious leaders, traditional rulers and our politicians. And they all have something in common. Intellectual laziness. It's easier to collect tithe and offering than to set up factories and employ people.

It's shameful that as a nation we can't feed ourselves but who cares? Sunday morning churches are filled up and Africans are praying and shouting sweet Hallelujah forgetting that prayer is not in the success equation but in the revelation equation. Good roads, electricity, jobs etc only comes as a result of sound decision.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

blueseacats:
Creating job is not government responsibility. They are just to create the enabling environment for private sector to create jobs. All mark needed was Internet connection and a computer to create Facebook. If he was busy praying, I guarantee you we will never have Facebook.

The church, is a problem in the sense that they are brainwashing youth that continues prayers, tithe paying and offering bring success. Asians have so far proved that to be a big lie.

Until we Nigerians realize prayer is indeed not in the success equation we will continue to be known as third world country.

seguno2:





The government is protected by the religious leaders- imams, pastors and priests.
Focus should be on both the religious and political leaders.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

Vince77:
This is why I like atheists. Always thinking properly.

I wish I have a friend who is an atheist.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing


Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...


How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.