HCpaul:


But we are talking about real world problems.

The above are either addiction or habitual acts and can only be stopped by discipline and by not indulging in them.

There is more to life than just doing good or bad.
Doing good is just to create a better society or environment that will harbor peaceful living.

Though am not justifying robbery but I think that its rise is as a result of societal factors.

People don't have job.... Won't they eat Especially when they have responsibilities like tithes and offering to meet up with in church on Sunday.

Just imagine if the number of mega churches and mosques we have in this country are all factories, industries, companies and big organizations, you wouldn't even bother to disturb God again every Sunday with repetitive demands and petitions.

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

Sibe007:


Must be planted?

What problems does churches solve in Nigeria seeing the amount of time and resources Nigerians expend.

Vince77:
This is why I like atheists. Always thinking properly.

I wish I have a friend who is an atheist.

HCpaul:


But we are talking about real world problems.

The above are either addiction or habitual acts and can only be stopped by discipline and by not indulging in them.

There is more to life than just doing good or bad.
Doing good is just to create a better society or environment that will harbor peaceful living.

Though am not justifying robbery but I think that its rise is as a result of societal factors.

People don't have job.... Won't they eat Especially when they have responsibilities like tithes and offering to meet up with in church on Sunday.

Just imagine if the number of mega churches and mosques we have in this country are all factories, industries, companies and big organizations, you wouldn't even bother to disturb God again every Sunday with repetitive demands and petitions.

76Naira:
I don't quite agree with you.
We are well beyond just spreading the gospel and deep into the realm of money-oriented evangelism.
Nigeria needs more than religion and corrupt politics.

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

Sibe007:


Must be planted?

What problems does churches solve in Nigeria seeing the amount of time and resources Nigerians expend.

petra1:



The church has solved countless problems . People delivered from drug abuse,alchoholism , robbery, witchcraft, etc etc and above all salvation from hell

matrixme:
When some people are dashed 10mb when they load 100 naira, they often like to flex their muscles by bringing beer parlour arguments to the internet. Nowhere in the world do people look to the church and other religious establishments for the betterment of their physical lives, especially when they all voted a government in power.
The church may only do that out of freewill and social concern, but that is not the primary purpose. Its just the same as blaming medical doctors for the high price of agricultural products in the market

Sibe007:
Nigeria: Just recently I was handed a flyer, a church was planning to establish another branch to add to the already many existing ones in that area.

They tagged the campaign, Lets-go-a-fishing

I personally feel, it is enough. Especially where you already have branches saturated and considering that making more Religious centers wouldnt solve our enormous problems that need clear cut practical solutions.

Please when will they start the campaign for

Lets-start-factories

Lets-create-jobs

People need JOBS...

If they are unemployed, they would not have enough to give (offerings and the Mandatory one), If people are unemployed, you will all suffer from area boys and road side robbers harrassing your members.

How is your Spiritual Practice (Religious activities) making the community and society better.

After all your singing, dancing, praying, preaching.....

How is it making any difference. What problems are those activities solving.

Do you like the way Nigeria is? Is this really okay?

Are you using all these to shy away from certain responsibilities?

Newton's first law of motion - Nothing will change until you act and things will remain the same until a force makes it do otherwise.

seguno2:


You are so wrong.
Perhaps due to inadvertent or deliberate ignorance.
Many leading schools and hospitals were established by Christian and Muslim missionaries and people like Oyedepo were saved from a miserable life of penury and back breaking poverty by such heavily subsidised missionary schools. However, the pastorpreneur ingrate has decided to be like the Dead Sea. Unwilling to replicate the same subsidised primary schools that pulled him out of his squalor.
What a waste!
What a pity!

obyrich:
The church has put more people in hell than it has saved. Judgement day is coming.

VULCAN:
Religion is a terrible thing. It has blinded the minds of most Christians in Africa. They actually believe that sheepishly following a set of rules and codes and sticking with groupthink is what Jesus came for. How Sad.

There are 200 times more Pharisees and Sadducees in African Churches now than there are people who are connected to the Spirit Of God.

OP did not say we should close churches. But that is what many people are responding to.

OP did not say Churches should do govt work of providing infrastructure etc. But that's what many people are responding to.

The ability to read and comprehend spiritual issues has altogether been lost to many Christians because of a religious mindset. Once a matter "appears" to be a critique of Christianity many peoples brain goes into red alert and shuts down.

What the OP is saying is that churches should be at the forefront of inspiring their members to make a positive difference within their communities and sphere of influence.

That will have a greater impact on Nigeria than focusing solely on street evangelism (which is now more about poaching members of other churches, than converting unbelievers).

How people can read the OP and not get that is beyond me.

Like I said, Christians were at the forefront of scientific progress immediately after the spiritual awakening brought about by the Reformation of Martin Luther.

Most of the basic discoveries in Physics and Chemistry and Engineering that is the foundation of the life we enjoy today emanated from said Reformation.

Today you can hardly find Born Again Christians in The West excelling in the above fields as thinking has been rejected by the churches for at least 90yrs.

God Deliver The Black Race

itsmeurLady:


The church didn't put any1 in hell. U are responsible for ur actions!!! Oga are u a Christian? The Church can only lead u to the stream, they can't force u to drink... Christianity is not a religion of compulsion, nobody forces u to do anything buh instead, it's a religion of love where u decide willing that u want to serve Christ

obyrich:
I should have said some churches. That's what I had in mind.

itsmeurLady:


Oh ohkay dear

izzou:


Nice points by the op

But the major aim of establishing the church,even by Jesus Christ himself was to spread the gospel, not really to create jobs. Matthew 28:18-20

This is the responsibility of a sane government, not churches.

You can't blame PHCN for not giving us good roads when their job is to provide electricity

The flamboyant lifestyle of pastors these days calls for serious concern,as many are wolves in sheep clothing, but don't hold your church responsible for the rise in unemployment.

Hold your government responsible

gadaffioba:
Those Missionary schools were created to propagate Christianity.

It part of the go a fishing programs.

Today the Church is the largest welfare donors to Hospital, Prison and Motherless home.

obyrich:

Good Girl. Already bookmarked your thread on Linda Ikeji.

itsmeurLady:


Are u not a Christian? What is stopping u from being the best in ur field Hav u asked urself that question? Dnt blame it on the church, everything starts from you, if you hav not been able to do it, dnt expect others to do it. We can never stop soul-winning cs it was our assignment! Use logic and ask urself this question. Didn't Jesus see our economy before he asked us to go and win souls Or are u now smarter than him Bcs he knows that when u win leaders to Christ they will do the right thing and our economic situation will improve. It is called Strategic Planning!!!!!! We know too much and that's what's hindering our growth. No wonder Christ sed, if we can behave like Babies, we will see the Kingdom of God bcs the Average human knows too much.

petra1:



The church has solved countless problems . People delivered from drug abuse,alchoholism , robbery, witchcraft, etc etc and above all salvation from hell

anitapreeti:


Why didn't you 'go a thinking' before coming to type that.
It begins with you!!

itsmeurLady:


Lol thanks