Ubenedictus:
THis is the question

Oya prove ur claim, who and who was using d
bible before the catholic church.


you can respond to it or just say you don't know. the long epistle doesn't provide the needed proof

You sometimes failed to understand my line of thought.
See it here and clear.
The same Church that was formed in the upper room was the same Catholic church(universal spiritual body of christ aka Christians) that got to rome,when they finished killing all the apostles and the direct followers,devil mixed up with the church and believers are no longer free to worship God hense dark age.

The same Catholic Church compiled the bible. What does pagan rome knew about God talk more of compiling or canonizing the bible!

The same Catholic Church travelled to USA,in 1906,the same Catholic church gathered and cried to God to revive the church and He did. The act gave birth to Catholic carismatic renewal of rcc which you are a member, Efac in anglican, and pentecostals etc today.
We can see Gods power again in full force in the church.
The same Catholic Church will stride everything to live their life as Christ wants it.
That same Catholic Church are few because they are most persecuted amonsgt Christian community so people dont like them.
They also seem controversal because they listen to Christ only.

The same Catholic Church will rapture and pope will take over.

I believe it is clear now.

Ubenedictus:
i hope you know you just told lies you can't prove?

Of course you Know your books on pope's history and life says so.

Who painted devil black and Jesus white? We will find out later.

I know one day God will do something people will have access to roman library such that people will know the conspiracy that took place during dark ages by your popes/cardinals.

PastorAIO:


Please at what point in history, after withdrawing and regrouping, did Satan join the church to mix up everything and become their leader? Just the year will do. And why was God so powerless to rebuff this attack?


And please, what is the problem with semantics exactly? You make it sound like a dirty word.



Are you suggesting that one shouldn't strive to get the meaning of a text?

Sorry am typing with my phone so I might not be able to get your quotes and answer them.

Your has church every date in their possesion.
1. They know when Jesus was born but they tell us it is 25th dec.

2. They know what is Holy communion but they choose to worship it.

3. They know that there is nothing like pope,cardinal,archibishop,bishop,mosignor,rev fr hiracy in Church but they added it.

4. They know whom Mary is but they choose to include her as a medium to get to Christ.

5. Popes know that Christ sent apostle Paul to us but they choose to hold on to peter succession.

6. They know Christ is our mediator but they brought man in between.

7. When christians started bearing titles like His holiness,his eminence,his grace,his lordship etc.

No need you ask me dates,ask your priest he will provide dates when all these happen them you will know when rome ask Holy Ghost out of the church and devil took over.

God doesnt force people like that,for if He does He will not be right to Judge you.

If you believe that there is dark ages,you might ask what caused it.

Sorry semantics is not bad but if see people leave the object of discussion and start argueing about mistakes in typing and dates and all of that. Maybe I used incorrect piece. Thanks for caling my atentionto that.

PastorAIO:



You haven't responded to me on the criteria used and how that applies to books like Esther. But that's okay. Let's leave that now.

Maybe you can answer this instead: Who are the people who applied the criteria for selecting the bible? Where was it done and when?

Analice107 just says things she cant defend.

This is someone that claimed she is the church. And I asked her: "are you the pillar and foundation of the truth (as 1Tim3:15 described the Church)?"

Till now, no answer. Instead, she started lying that Catholics said "Peter is the Church." We asked her to show where any Catholic said so. Till now, no answer.

So based on this, dont expect an answer. Expect another lie.

luckyCO:

Of course you Know your books on pope's history and life says so.

Who painted devil black and Jesus white? We will find out later.

I know one day God will do something people will have access to roman library such that people will know the conspiracy that took place during dark ages by your popes/cardinals.

Still no proof of anything.

luckyCO:


Sorry am typing with my phone so I might not be able to get your quotes and answer them.

Your has church every date in their possesion.
1. They know when Jesus was born but they tell us it is 25th dec.

2. They know what is Holy communion but they choose to worship it.

3. They know that there is nothing like pope,cardinal,archibishop,bishop,mosignor,rev fr hiracy in Church but they added it.

4. They know whom Mary is but they choose to include her as a medium to get to Christ.

5. Popes know that Christ sent apostle Paul to us but they choose to hold on to peter succession.

6. They know Christ is our mediator but they brought man in between.

7. When christians started bearing titles like His holiness,his eminence,his grace,his lordship etc.

No need you ask me dates,ask your priest he will provide dates when all these happen them you will know when rome ask Holy Ghost out of the church and devil took over.

God doesnt force people like that,for if He does He will not be right to Judge you.

If you believe that there is dark ages,you might ask what caused it.

Sorry semantics is not bad but if see people leave the object of discussion and start argueing about mistakes in typing and dates and all of that. Maybe I used incorrect piece. Thanks for caling my atentionto that.

Still no answer...just more lies.

luckyCO:


You sometimes failed to understand my line of thought.
See it here and clear.
The same Church that was formed in the upper room was the same Catholic church(universal spiritual body of christ aka Christians) that got to rome,when they finished killing all the apostles and the direct followers,devil mixed up with the church and believers are no longer free to worship God hense dark age.

The same Catholic Church compiled the bible. What does pagan rome knew about God talk more of compiling or canonizing the bible!

When did they compile the bible?

And who and who were involved?

luckyCO:

The same Catholic Church travelled to USA,in 1906,the same Catholic church gathered and cried to God to revive the church and He did. The act gave birth to Catholic carismatic renewal of rcc which you are a member, Efac in anglican, and pentecostals etc today.
We can see Gods power again in full force in the church.
The same Catholic Church will stride everything to live their life as Christ wants it.
That same Catholic Church are few because they are most persecuted amonsgt Christian community so people dont like them.
They also seem controversal because they listen to Christ only.

The same Catholic Church will rapture and pope will take over.

I believe it is clear now.

If Catholic Charismatic Renewal, Efac and Pentecostals are the true Church that Christ built, why do they preach thousands of contradictory doctrines?

Now avoid my questions and tell more lies.

1,2,3...Go!

Ubenedictus:
this is a lot of wheat mixed with tares. What u just taught is calvins heresy...d so called church of d elect.

God is not under anybody's doctrinal framework.
I wish you loosen yourself in order to know and identify with statement that is true instead of who said it.

You called them heresy and all that. If what I said above is heresy them imagine how truth will look like.

It is not good term a teaching herectical because person doesnt believe all your church teaches.

italo:


When did they compile the bible?

And who and who were involved?



If Catholic Charismatic Renewal, Efac and Pentecostals are the true Church that Christ built, why do they preach thousands of contradictory doctrines?

Now avoid my questions and tell more lies.

1,2,3...Go!

Your church knows the truth but they hide it with fear that her church members will revolt against them. Some of our teachers call it Holy lies during our cathecism days.

If you watch my submission in this threat you will hear me keep saying that the church Christ is building is spiritual not the names we know today those names are quaries to the true church of God.

Because the foundation of God stands sure,God knows those who are his own.

Concerning their doctrinal differences you will see the same thin devil did to rome is still his stance against every revival.

When Catholic Catismatic revewal started you cant sin and come in their misdst,someone will will shout your name and say what you did but check today.

Devil has his field day because his time is short and we know that gates of hell cannot previal against the Church because that church is hidden in Christ and in God. Even if the church everywhere is in a mess,God will do another revival to save those who are willing.
So devil can do anything(kill,teach error,blackmail,dupe,destroy,steal,multiply wordly churches,change church to business center etc) but that cant stop God from saving His children.
Happy sunday!

italo:


Still no answer...just more lies.

Your church managed and written history for many years because they are the world power.
So ask them to tell you the truth but if then fail ask Holy Ghost you will surpised what you will hear.
If I give you date your people may have changed it and you in turn call me a lie again.

Most of my submission I use your quotes and statements and you have not denied any.

luckyCO:


Sorry am typing with my phone so I might not be able to get your quotes and answer them.

Your has church every date in their possesion.
1. They know when Jesus was born but they tell us it is 25th dec.

2. They know what is Holy communion but they choose to worship it.

3. They know that there is nothing like pope,cardinal,archibishop,bishop,mosignor,rev fr hiracy in Church but they added it.

4. They know whom Mary is but they choose to include her as a medium to get to Christ.

5. Popes know that Christ sent apostle Paul to us but they choose to hold on to peter succession.

6. They know Christ is our mediator but they brought man in between.

7. When christians started bearing titles like His holiness,his eminence,his grace,his lordship etc.

No need you ask me dates,ask your priest he will provide dates when all these happen them you will know when rome ask Holy Ghost out of the church and devil took over.

God doesnt force people like that,for if He does He will not be right to Judge you.

If you believe that there is dark ages,you might ask what caused it.

Sorry semantics is not bad but if see people leave the object of discussion and start argueing about mistakes in typing and dates and all of that. Maybe I used incorrect piece. Thanks for caling my atentionto that.

Perhaps you misread my post and questions. I'll repeat them.


1) Please at what point in history, after withdrawing and regrouping, did Satan join the church to mix up everything and become their leader? Just the year will do. And why was God so powerless to rebuff this attack?


2) And please, what is the problem with semantics exactly? You make it sound like a dirty word.



3) Are you suggesting that one shouldn't strive to get the meaning of a text?

luckyCO:

Your church managed and written history for many years because they are the world power.
So ask them to tell you the truth but if then fail ask Holy Ghost you will surpised what you will hear.
If I give you date your people may have changed it and you in turn call me a lie again.

Most of my submission I use your quotes and statements and you have not denied any.

Another set of lies. Mr "Christian," working for satan, the father of lies.

luckyCO:

Your church knows the truth but they hide it with fear that her church members will revolt against them. Some of our teachers call it Holy lies during our cathecism days.

If you watch my submission in this threat you will hear me keep saying that the church Christ is building is spiritual not the names we know today those names are quaries to the true church of God.

Because the foundation of God stands sure,God knows those who are his own.

Concerning their doctrinal differences you will see the same thin devil did to rome is still his stance against every revival.

When Catholic Catismatic revewal started you cant sin and come in their misdst,someone will will shout your name and say what you did but check today.

Devil has his field day because his time is short and we know that gates of hell cannot previal against the Church because that church is hidden in Christ and in God. Even if the church everywhere is in a mess,God will do another revival to save those who are willing.
So devil can do anything(kill,teach error,blackmail,dupe,destroy,steal,multiply wordly churches,change church to business center etc) but that cant stop God from saving His children.
Happy sunday!

So today, the true Church of God does not exist?

And are you saying you dont know who compiled the Bible, and when it was compiled?

Now tell more lies: 1, 2, 3...Go!

luckyCO:

Your church managed and written history for many years because they are the world power.
So ask them to tell you the truth but if then fail ask Holy Ghost you will surpised what you will hear.
If I give you date your people may have changed it and you in turn call me a lie again.

Can I take a guess about you? You are a guy that one day picked up a book (a rare event) on catholicism and history. The book filled you with awe and wonder because you had never had information like that before in you life. it was written simply so even simpletons could understand, in fact the entire thing was directed towards simpletons.

Being filled with awe and wonder you read the book once again and let it's contents sink in, and then you passed it to a friend and he too was filled with awe and wonder. Throughout this whole process you didn't once seek to verify the information in the book, everything in it seems so filled with information from another world, it seemed so authoritative. Once you got the gist of the book its ideas took root in your brain and took on a life of their own. You yourself started to invent amazing information sprouting from your own mind.

You found a community of people who would share in the awe and wonder of this unverified historical information. together you supported each other in the unverified delusions. Thus here we are today, you've come to a public forum to share the misinformation without backup and when you are questioned about it you have no answer. Shame.

italo:


Still no proof of anything.

I also expect you to show me a prove that what I say is not true.
Am waiting....

italo:


So today, the true Church of God does not exist?

And are you saying you dont know who compiled the Bible, and when it was compiled?

Now tell more lies: 1, 2, 3...Go!

What makes a church true before God?

italo:


Another set of lies. Mr "Christian," working for satan, the father of lies.

Am not surprised at your comments, reason is that devil do not die, you clean the tomb of the prophets your popes has killed.

Your respond remind me how catholic of Rome persecuted and killed every believe who refused to hold on to roman pagan worship.
But God has revived the church Rome has lost their political power, no longer pope to confirm kings over nations. The sword(Word of God) has struck the power of Rome so we can speak freely and be heard.
But pope will late take over the world as it was before but you have to wait after we have raptured.

luckyCO:

God is not under anybody's doctrinal framework.
I wish you loosen yourself in order to know and identify with statement that is true instead of who said it.

You called them heresy and all that. If what I said above is heresy them imagine how truth will look like.

It is not good term a teaching herectical because person doesnt believe all your church teaches.

so you were taught in your church that only the elect are xtians and you didn't bother to check its truthfulness abi? Sorry to inform you the kingdom on earth has both wheat and tares. Not just the elect.

PastorAIO:



Can I take a guess about you? You are a guy that one day picked up a book (a rare event) on catholicism and history. The book filled you with awe and wonder because you had never had information like that before in you life. it was written simply so even simpletons could understand, in fact the entire thing was directed towards simpletons.

Being filled with awe and wonder you read the book once again and let it's contents sink in, and then you passed it to a friend and he too was filled with awe and wonder. Throughout this whole process you didn't once seek to verify the information in the book, everything in it seems so filled with information from another world, it seemed so authoritative. Once you got the gist of the book its ideas took root in your brain and took on a life of their own. You yourself started to invent amazing information sprouting from your own mind.

You found a community of people who would share in the awe and wonder of this unverified historical information. together you supported each other in the unverified delusions. Thus here we are today, you've come to a public forum to share the misinformation without backup and when you are questioned about it you have no answer. Shame.

lol

luckyCO:

I also expect you to show me a prove that what I say is not true.
Am waiting....

It is not in my place to bring proof of the nonsense you say.

If I say luckyCO killed a man last year, should I tell you to prove you didnt?

And if you cant prove it, should it be concluded that you are guilty?

Or should I, the accuser bring proof, and if I cant, my accusation should be dismissed?

Think, for once.

luckyCO:

Am not surprised at your comments, reason is that devil do not die, you clean the tomb of the prophets your popes has killed.

Your respond remind me how catholic of Rome persecuted and killed every believe who refused to hold on to roman pagan worship.
But God has revived the church Rome has lost their political power, no longer pope to confirm kings over nations. The sword(Word of God) has struck the power of Rome so we can speak freely and be heard.
But pope will late take over the world as it was before but you have to wait after we have raptured.

Regurgitating lies...no proof.

luckyCO:

What makes a church true before God?

Dodging questions with another question. This time, no further lies. Congrats.

So today, the true Church of God does not exist?

And are you saying you dont know who compiled the Bible, and when it was compiled?

Ubenedictus:
so you were taught in your church that only the elect are xtians and you didn't bother to check its truthfulness abi? Sorry to inform you the kingdom on earth has both wheat and tares. Not just the elect.

When I talk church here am specific about church Christ is building.
Local assembly is quaries to the body Christ is building.
Yes it has tares and wheat but they cant be part his body except you have Him in you teaching you to be like Him.

italo:


It is not in my place to bring proof of the nonsense you say.

If I say luckyCO killed a man last year, should I tell you to prove you didnt?

And if you cant prove it, should it be concluded that you are guilty?

Or should I, the accuser bring proof, and if I cant, my accusation should be dismissed?

Think, for once.

You dont believe all I said. I have given you evidence that your church has long left Apostolic teaching and settled to man made doctrine but you said you are the only church but you have not proved it except quoting bible verses which you dont know the meaning and insulting people here and there.

italo:


Regurgitating lies...no proof.

Jesus said He will avenge for all the saints catholic killed.
I know that one is lie too. That your church didnt kill anybody and Pope John Paul 2 and Francis where apologizing in vain because they want to unite all christian sects?

PastorAIO:



Can I take a guess about you? You are a guy that one day picked up a book (a rare event) on catholicism and history. The book filled you with awe and wonder because you had never had information like that before in you life. it was written simply so even simpletons could understand, in fact the entire thing was directed towards simpletons.

Being filled with awe and wonder you read the book once again and let it's contents sink in, and then you passed it to a friend and he too was filled with awe and wonder. Throughout this whole process you didn't once seek to verify the information in the book, everything in it seems so filled with information from another world, it seemed so authoritative. Once you got the gist of the book its ideas took root in your brain and took on a life of their own. You yourself started to invent amazing information sprouting from your own mind.

You found a community of people who would share in the awe and wonder of this unverified historical information. together you supported each other in the unverified delusions. Thus here we are today, you've come to a public forum to share the misinformation without backup and when you are questioned about it you have no answer. Shame.

You can guess anything as far as it makes you happy. But do know that what am condeming here is what I have taught people,defended and believed for years.
Italo was mild when compared to me because I was mixture of traditional and carismatic catholic just as italo.
But a day come I realized that I was wrong because something keep telling me these I believe were wrong.
We read those books but something covered our eyes to believe they were true.

I believe one day you will see italo come out and what condemn these he has defended.

italo:


Regurgitating lies...no proof.

Rev fr edeh narrated what he went thruogh in the hands of bishops and priest when he wants to establish his ministry.

I know the persecution he went through was lies?

Rev fr Njoku was fed acid by rev frs,i know that is lies or you demand proof as usual?
Check your heart even when you are saying all these I believe a small vioce is speaking to you that you are wrong about your stance with roman pagan doctrines.

luckyCO:


You dont believe all I said. I have given you evidence that your church has long left Apostolic teaching and settled to man made doctrine but you said you are the only church but you have not proved it except quoting bible verses which you dont know the meaning and insulting people here and there.

Another lie. Where did you provide evidence of the statement below:

luckyCO:

Please let us not argue on semantics.
That original church that was formed in upper room Isreal was the exact church that came to rome though rome spill their blood.

Killing Christians didnt exterminate the work of God,satan withdrew small and later joined the church and mixed up everything that is holy with roman pagan order and after doing that satan become their leader.
With the help of roman power and love of money they exported the mixture all over the world hence dark ages,placing man in charge of every aspect of salvation instead of Christ.

If you look at they way most rcc members worship,discuss,believe or teach you will get confused thinking whether they are christians or not.
St malachi prophesized this long ago.

Bible was compiled by the power of the Holy Spirit through Catholic Church(believers or Christians) that is why rome(some popes) get to heard about it they burnt bible and killed anybody found holding it except the priest.

luckyCO:

Jesus said He will avenge for all the saints catholic killed.
I know that one is lie too. That your church didnt kill anybody and Pope John Paul 2 and Francis where apologizing in vain because they want to unite all christian sects?

Mention the saints that "catholic" killed.

luckyCO:

You can guess anything as far as it makes you happy. But do know that what am condeming here is what I have taught people,defended and believed for years.
Italo was mild when compared to me because I was mixture of traditional and carismatic catholic just as italo.
But a day come I realized that I was wrong because something keep telling me these I believe were wrong.
We read those books but something covered our eyes to believe they were true.

I believe one day you will see italo come out and what condemn these he has defended.

What has italo got to do with you and your claims.

They said you should defend your false claims, you cant. Rather, you're saying italo this, italo that. Conversion from Catholicism doesnt mean you are correct. The leader of the biggest pentecostal Church in Norway coverted to Catholicism. Do you hear us mention that as proof of our claims.

luckyCO:

Rev fr edeh narrated what he went thruogh in the hands of bishops and priest when he wants to establish his ministry.

I know the persecution he went through was lies?

Rev fr Njoku was fed acid by rev frs,i know that is lies or you demand proof as usual?

Prove it...with more lies, as usual.

luckyCO:


Check your heart even when you are saying all these I believe a small vioce is speaking to you that you are wrong about your stance with roman pagan doctrines.

The small voice is telling me that only someone with a mental problem can tell so many lies in only a short time.

A gospel that can only be advanced with lies is a HELL of a gospel indeed.