KingEbukasBlog:


What kind of shallow reason is that . Gosh man . I expect much better from you .

Don't involve yourself in this conversation, you've had your chance to prove your point. Now let him read the argument and arrive at his own conclusions.

CoolUsername:


Your questions are not new. Some of them are really weak. I've answered them time and time again. I'm not going to type the same long-winded response when I answered similar questions about a weak ago. If you're too lazy to simply click a link then don't ask me questions that a simple google search can answer.

Hypocrite.....

Another Atheist done and dusted.

Next?

CoolUsername:


They believe in karma, don't they?

How is Karma a controlling power ? Please just admit your definition of religion isn't proper and satisfactory .

CoolUsername:


Your questions are not new. Some of them are really weak. I've answered them time and time again. I'm not going to type the same long-winded response when I answered similar questions about a weak ago. If you're too lazy to simply click a link then don't ask me questions that a simple google search can answer.

Hypocrite.....

I beg you in the name of Atheism

Address my questions?

I'm still looking for Atheist who will address them and give me a testable and verifiable answer.

Another atheist bites the dust.

CoolUsername:


Don't involve yourself in this conversation, you've had your chance to prove your point. Now let him read the argument and arrive at his own conclusions.

I've proven my point which is pellucid for all to see . There are atheists who acknowledge the existence of unembodied minds like the souls of men and immaterial beings in the astral realm yet they reject the existence of God . I gave you two atheists - ifenes and billyionaire - who have this same view . And instead of countering their claims , you turned a blind eye .

Your argument is clearly an argument from personal incredulity :

1. I can't see how it is possible for unembodied minds to exist

2. Unembodied minds don't exist .

3. God is an umembodied mind

4. Therefore , God does not exist .

Come up with something better please bro . Haba na

KingEbukasBlog:


I've proven my point which is pellucid for all to see . There are atheists who acknowledge the existence of unembodied minds like the souls of men and immaterial beings in the astral realm yet they reject the existence of God . I gave you two atheists - ifenes and billyionaire - who have this same view . And instead of countering their claims , you turned a blind eye .

Your argument is clearly an argument from personal incredulity :

1. I can't see how it is possible for unembodied minds to exist

2. Unembodied minds don't exist .

3. God is an umembodied mind

4. Therefore , God does not exist .

Come up with something better please bro . Haba na

More like, it's proven that minds are products of a material brain. We observe that people undergo personality changes after sustaining brain damage.

Furthermore, there is no empirical evidence of disembodied minds existing and since God is one, it is very very unlikely that God exists.

Horlufemi:



Hypocrite.....

I beg you in the name of Atheism

Address my questions?

I'm still looking for Atheist who will address them and give me a testable and verifiable answer.

Another atheist bites the dust.

What the heck is this about? I've argued this same argument countless times. I'm don't think it's necessary to repeat myself. Read the link, if you still have a good argument then show me. I debated someone who was taking a similar deistic stance. We both covered a lot of ground with that argument. But these arguments require thought and time. So read the arguments that are already there, if you still have arguments that prove existence of God that are worth my time, then bring them up.

KingEbukasBlog:


How is Karma a controlling power ? Please just admit your definition of religion isn't proper and satisfactory .

But it determines the circumstances that one may be reincarnated into, doesn't it?

CoolUsername:


What the heck is this about? I've argued this same argument countless times. I'm don't think it's necessary to repeat myself. Read the link, if you still have a good argument then show me. I debated someone who was taking a similar deistic stance. We both covered a lot of ground with that argument. But these arguments require thought and time. So read the arguments that are already there, if you still have arguments that prove existence of God that are worth my time, then bring them up.

I'm not arguing. I'm asking you a question you are arguing with yourself. You are still avoiding​ the questions.

Next!

CoolUsername:


More like, it's proven that minds are products of a material brain. We observe that people undergo personality changes after sustaining brain damage.

Furthermore, there is no empirical evidence of disembodied minds existing and since God is one, it is very very unlikely that God exists.

There are well documented cases of astral projection , ghost visitations , haunted houses etc . Science has limitations . These things can only be experienced . Atheists themselves have experienced these things yet they don't accept the existence of God . Your argument is tenuous and untenable . I believe you think your argument is reasonable because you are oblivious of how these things can be experienced .

The point is : since there are atheists who accept that unembodied minds exist yet reject the existence of God , then your argument is weak . Here is the real contentious issue : why do these atheists acknowledge this type of minds exist yet reject the existence of God ? A reasonable response please ?

CoolUsername:


But it determines the circumstances that one may be reincarnated into, doesn't it?

My brother , these twists and turns will lead you no where . Not all religions involve the worship of some god or superhuman like you claimed . Deists repudiate religious dogma yet some believe that the creator though he does not intervene in the universe ought to be worshiped . Religion must not involve worship or deification of some force or entity . There are some who think any form of dogma should be labelled a religion . That's why some would say atheism or science is a religion . Not religion in the conventional sense which involves the deification and worship of some god or gods .

Comprendre monsieur ?

Horlufemi:


I'm not arguing. I'm asking you a question you are arguing with yourself. You are still avoiding​ the questions.

Next!

No you asked me 4 or 5 questions that can easily be googled it read up. I don't actually care what you think of the theory of evolution for example - it's an established scientific fact, I'm just trying to show you the reasoning behind my atheism.

CoolUsername:

I'm just trying to show you the reasoning behind my atheism.

It is apparent your reasoning is poor

KingEbukasBlog:


My brother , these twists and turns will lead you no where . Not all religions involve the worship of some god or superhuman like you claimed . Deists repudiate religious dogma yet some believe that the creator though he does not intervene in the universe ought to be worshiped . Religion must not involve worship or deification of some force or entity . There are some who think any form of dogma should be labelled a religion . That's why some would say atheism or science is a religion . Not religion in the conventional sense which involves the deification and worship of some god or gods .

Comprendre monsieur ?

Sure, sure. I can be flexible with the definition of religion. But theism, deism, and atheism are not religions. Science cannot be called a religion either; it's just a method for solving problems.

KingEbukasBlog:


There are well documented cases of astral projection , ghost visitations , haunted houses etc . Science has limitations . These things can only be experienced . Atheists themselves have experienced these things yet they don't accept the existence of God . Your argument is tenuous and untenable . I believe you think your argument is reasonable because you are oblivious of how these things can be experienced .

These 'well documented' are anecdotes until they are substantiated by the method. There are anecdotes of bigfoot sightings and such but these aren't enough to make any conclusion.

KingEbukasBlog:

The point is : since there are atheists who accept that unembodied minds exist yet reject the existence of God , then your argument is weak . Here is the real contentious issue : why do these atheists acknowledge this type of minds exist yet reject the existence of God ? A reasonable response please ?

How does this make my argument weak when I never claimed to be arguing for all atheists?

Why don't you ask them why they are atheists, then?

This is exactly why I said that atheism is not dogmatic; beliefs have nothing to do with mine.

Better still, they should provide empirical evidence of the brain violating the laws of thermodynamics, they should explain why brain damage causes personality changes, if not, their belief is unfounded. The fact that a person is an atheist doesn't make them immune to irrationality.

KingEbukasBlog:


It is apparent your reasoning is poor

-_________________-

CoolUsername:

These 'well documented' are anecdotes until they are substantiated by the method. There are anecdotes of bigfoot sightings and such but these aren't enough to make any conclusion.

There have been thorough investigations to prove that these cases are real especially of haunted houses . For astral projection , there are methods one can use to actually experience it . You can astral project if you want to . Your experience can compel you to abjure your beliefs . Even people who were once skeptical about astral projection have now recanted their opinions about it .

How does this make my argument weak when I never claimed to be arguing for all atheists?

This certainly does not seem like who wasn't arguing for all atheists .

CoolUsername : Furthermore, there is no empirical evidence of disembodied minds existing and since God is one, it is very very unlikely that God exists.

Why don't you ask them why they are atheists, then?

How did this elude you ? You are the one claiming that it does invalidate claims that God exists while there are those who accept unembodied minds exist yet reject the existence of God . It is expedient that you make that inquiry not me .

This is exactly why I said that atheism is not dogmatic; beliefs have nothing to do with mine.

Theism is not dogmatic either . There are a thousand and one concepts theists don't agree on .

Better still, they should provide empirical evidence of the brain violating the laws of thermodynamics, they should explain why brain damage causes personality changes, if not, their belief is unfounded. The fact that a person is an atheist doesn't make them immune to irrationality.

Your argument bespeaks irrationality ; argument from personal incredulity : I don't see how intelligence , consciousness or cognitive activities can exist outside the brain therefore such do not exist . I mean like you said , you are arguing for your atheism not everyone else .

CoolUsername:


No you asked me 4 or 5 questions that can easily be googled it read up. I don't actually care what you think of the theory of evolution for example - it's an established scientific fact, I'm just trying to show you the reasoning behind my atheism.

All we are saying give us YOUR ANSWER

Are you scared?

Horlufemi:


All we are saying give us YOUR ANSWER

Are you scared?

This would be my last response to you until you read that thread.

I've debated people on this site countless times, you can check my post history. I have encountered all those questions before. I can categorically tell you that I'm not scared. So read the argument.

If you can't do that, then you were never serious about having a debate.

KingEbukasBlog:


There have been thorough investigations to prove that these cases are real especially of haunted houses . For astral projection , there are methods one can use to actually experience it . You can astral project if you want to . Your experience can compel you to abjure your beliefs . Even people who were once skeptical about astral projection have now recanted their opinions about it .



This certainly does not seem like who wasn't arguing for all atheists .

CoolUsername : Furthermore, there is no empirical evidence of disembodied minds existing and since God is one, it is very very unlikely that God exists.




How did this elude you ? You are the one claiming that it does invalidate claims that God exists while there are those who accept unembodied minds exist yet reject the existence of God . It is expedient that you make that inquiry not me .



Theism is not dogmatic either . There are a thousand and one concepts theists don't agree on .



Your argument bespeaks irrationality ; argument from personal incredulity : I don't see how intelligence , consciousness or cognitive activities can exist outside the brain therefore such do not exist . I mean like you said , you are arguing for your atheism not everyone else .

It's simple, if you believe that unembodied minds exist, then show empirical, repeatable evidence. If you can't, then your argument is completely baseless and so is that if atheists who believe in all that nonsense.

Aquiprsy:
I'm a Christian and a scientist, with specialist interest in biopsychology.

My interest in this your post stems from my ability to be a Christian and scientist. Despite the parallel premise from which both operate.

The scientific work you referred, may have suggested inference that you don't understand. Because, what is generally known and accepted in Behavioural Neuroscience, is that human is functionally a belief being. Without conscious or subconscious acceptance of our our lives and environment as real, existence is impossible.

So, human beings are capable of believing anything, as long as they are able to come up with evidence (real or imaginary), to support such beliefs.

Now, as a Christian, I believe that God created human beings this way. Exercising that belief capacity, is a volitional one. At the age of reason, human beings decides on what or who they want to believe.

The defective reasoning in this thread, is obviated by one fact, which is; if human is programmed by God to believe him (theism) innately, why would a child brought up in an environment devoid of God mention, not automatically start believing in God?

But researchers have established this (that humans are not innately programed, to align with a particular belief) in various mental conditioning experiments.

Thank you for this.

You know, I still don't understand why hopefullandlord and co. waste their time arguing with that Ebuka guy.
His arrogant display of arrant ignorance is quite appalling.

What a Clown!

mrmrmister:


Thank you for this.

You know, I still don't understand why hopefullandlord and co. waste their time arguing with that Ebuka guy.
His arrogant display of arrant ignorance is quite appalling.

What a Clown!

Can you make meaningful contributions on my thread please ?

KingEbukasBlog:


Can you make meaningful contributions on my thread please ?

What meaningful contributions do you want on meaningless threads?
Mtchewww

mrmrmister:


What meaningful contributions do you want on meaningless threads?
Mtchewww

Meaningless thread ? This is a wonderful thread scrutinizing the concepts founded by ignorant atheists and accepted unchallenged by modern atheists; It also introduces a new concept : Implicit Theism . Why do you think you atheists responded in droves ? Because it exposes your lies and ignorance .

CoolUsername:


It's simple, if you believe that unembodied minds exist, then show empirical, repeatable evidence. If you can't, then your argument is completely baseless and so is that if atheists who believe in all that nonsense.

The empirical nature of evidence is that it is well documented . You can experience these things by yourself to make your deductions .

KingEbukasBlog:


Meaningless thread ? This is a wonderful thread scrutinizing the concepts founded by ignorant atheists and accepted unchallenged by modern atheists; It also introduces a new concept : Implicit Theism . Why do you think you atheists responded in droves ? Because it exposes your lies and ignorance .

Okay
As I earlier stated, arguing with you is pointless.

CoolUsername:


This would be my last response to you until you read that thread.

I've debated people on this site countless times, you can check my post history. I have encountered all those questions before. I can categorically tell you that I'm not scared. So read the argument.

If you can't do that, then you were never serious about having a debate.

I asked you a question, you say na debate.

Forget other "debates", you are dealing with me. You religious leader Richard Dawkins will never state "I have debated countlessly several times, I won't answer you" when it comes to debates. I'm so sure of that.

You obviously don't have an answer.

Bye bro.

mrmrmister:


Okay
As I earlier stated, arguing with you is pointless.

The irony is lost on you

KingEbukasBlog:


The empirical nature of evidence is that it is well documented . You can experience these things by yourself to make your deductions .

Can you provide such evidence then?

CoolUsername:


Can you provide such evidence then?

Define evidence and what kind of evidence should I bring bro

KingEbukasBlog:


Define evidence and what kind of evidence should I bring bro

A peer reviewed paper detailing events that could only have occurred using astral projection and not hallucination. An MRI image brain activity during astral projection so we can ascertain that the brain has nothing to do with consciousness.

CoolUsername:


A peer reviewed paper detailing events that could only have occurred using astral projection and not hallucination. An MRI image brain activity during astral projection so we can ascertain that the brain has nothing to do with consciousness.

How can we say for sure that the brain images prove astral projection to be true ? What if experience is the only means for verification ?