I am an American and would like to get an African perspective on our history. There are a ton of misconceptions and ideas floating around under the umbrella of "afro-centrism). Here are some questions:

1)Is there any truth to claims of Hebrew Israelite? There are different theories, but most I have read assert that Africans/west africans are actually the real Jews who fled from Egypt.

2) Who sold African Americans into slavery? What is the consensus? Why?

3) Are north Africans black or white?

4)Do you think the term "sub-saharan" is racist?

5)Where can I find information on African History written by Africans themselves who aren't a part of the eurocentric educational system?

6)Where do Yoruba/Igbo people come from?

Don't be shy! I am new but I have an open mind. Just wanted to get yall thoughts.

the slave thread movement was actually on two fronts ....the people captured by the tribal warloads and exchanged with guns and bullets from the europeans and those stolen by the europeans while on their daily rountines .


2.the yorubas are found in ghana,togo,sierra leone,benin and nigeria but originated from nigeria and the igbos originated in nigeria but can be found alsobin equitorial guinea and a very small percent in sierra leone .

3.MOST of north africa are arabs-africanus(came from the arab peninsula and there are also a number of blacks

4.the hebrews/jews story holds no water but hey,thats my own prespective .

5.the term sub saharan is not racist

thats all i know for now

I'm Ethiopian.

1. I don't know about west African-Jews, but there are Ethiopian-Jews here and in Israel.
2. West and Central Africans slaves were sold with the coalition of both Africans and Europeans. African leaders sold them to get firearms and other lucrative commodities and Europeans bought them for their services.
3. North Africans are a mix of Berbers/Arabs and very little black Africans.
4. Yes, because indirectly it means those poor black Africans.

Thanks for responding @haiti13 and @afobear!

Hati13: Do you live in Ethiopia? I have read and seen pictures of black looking christian paintings. Some say that Christianity became widespread by Ethiopian peoples who taught the religion to Europeans. Is there any truth to this? How big was Ethiopia at it's peak? Is it true that at one time in history Ethiopia was the name of all Africans?

As far as North Africans, some say the Berbers were originally dark skinned(similar to the color of actor Denzel Washington or basketball player Lebron James. Some Americans believe that North Africans were originally white people who later mixed with darker people to get the people of today. Who do you think the original inhabitants of North Africa were, who are original berbers? What race is an Arab (is it not just a religion, I thought they could be any race).

What do you know about Moors? I have read about Moors,Berbers and Arabs as if they are all the same people, but in pictures they look different.

Do you think that Ethiopians have recent admixture or did they originally look that way without mixing?

As for the subsaharan term could you explain further? I read this article what do you think of it:http://www.newzimbabwe.com/opinion-34414-Reject+racist+term+Sub+Saharan+Africa/opinion.aspx. Prior to reading it, I always thought the term was due to location only, but if anyone was seriously considering south africa as not a part of sub saharan africa than that would be an issue. I guess in the states there is a lot of talk about africans being "sub-human" by racists and so the sub saharan term can subconsciously denote that idea. Plus there seems to be a push to consider north africa not really african especially in the genetic communities (DNA testing forums).

What kind of education did you get in history? I wonder who writes the african history books/educational material. I am trying to get a perspective from Africans themselves so anything you share would be helpful.

anothergirl:
Thanks for responding @haiti13 and @afobear!

Hati13: Do you live in Ethiopia? I have read and seen pictures of black looking christian paintings. Some say that Christianity became widespread by Ethiopian peoples who taught the religion to Europeans. Is there any truth to this? How big was Ethiopia at it's peak? Is it true that at one time in history Ethiopia was the name of all Africans?

As far as North Africans, some say the Berbers were originally dark skinned(similar to the color of actor Denzel Washington or basketball player Lebron James. Some Americans believe that North Africans were originally white people who later mixed with darker people to get the people of today. Who do you think the original inhabitants of North Africa were, who are original berbers? What race is an Arab (is it not just a religion, I thought they could be any race).

What do you know about Moors? I have read about Moors,Berbers and Arabs as if they are all the same people, but in pictures they look different.

Do you think that Ethiopians have recent admixture or did they originally look that way without mixing?

As for the subsaharan term could you explain further? I read this article what do you think of it:http://www.newzimbabwe.com/opinion-34414-Reject+racist+term+Sub+Saharan+Africa/opinion.aspx. Prior to reading it, I always thought the term was due to location only, but if anyone was seriously considering south africa as not a part of sub saharan africa than that would be an issue. I guess in the states there is a lot of talk about africans being "sub-human" by racists and so the sub saharan term can subconsciously denote that idea. Plus there seems to be a push to consider north africa not really african especially in the genetic communities (DNA testing forums).

What kind of education did you get in history? I wonder who writes the african history books/educational material. I am trying to get a perspective from Africans themselves so anything you share would be helpful.

the moors are dark skinned people that you can see in modern day mali,algeria ,a small part of egypt (southernpart) and also morocco ...basically the were the original people of north africa same as the berbers before the coming of the arabs

Afobear: so Yorubas and Igbos originated in west africa in what year? could you point me in the right direction to find sources on this information? Its hard, because based on wikipedia I read this:

"As of the 7th century BCE the African peoples who lived in Yorubaland were not initially known as the Yoruba, although they shared a common ethnicity and language group. By the 8th century, a powerful Yoruba kingdom already existed in Ile-Ife, one of the earliest in Africa.

The historical Yoruba develop in situ, out of earlier Mesolithic Volta-Niger populations, by the 1st millennium BCE. Oral history recorded under the Oyo Empire derives the Yoruba as an ethnic group from the population of the older kingdom of Ile-Ife. The Yoruba were the dominant cultural force in southern Nigeria as far back as the 11th century.[34]"

so what were they called before the term "yorubaland" I am assuming yoruba is a colonial term (created by europeans)?

Regarding Arabs...what do yall think of this video? I haven't seen all of it but at about 10:15 min mark there is a guy who says his people are arabs and have always been on the land and are not descendants of slaves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q_1pT08Zw

anothergirl:

Afobear: so Yorubas and Igbos originated in west africa in what year? could you point me in the right direction to find sources on this information? Its hard, because based on wikipedia I read this:

"As of the 7th century BCE the African peoples who lived in Yorubaland were not initially known as the Yoruba, although they shared a common ethnicity and language group. By the 8th century, a powerful Yoruba kingdom already existed in Ile-Ife, one of the earliest in Africa.

The historical Yoruba develop in situ, out of earlier Mesolithic Volta-Niger populations, by the 1st millennium BCE. Oral history recorded under the Oyo Empire derives the Yoruba as an ethnic group from the population of the older kingdom of Ile-Ife. The Yoruba were the dominant cultural force in southern Nigeria as far back as the 11th century.[34]"

so what were they called before the term "yorubaland" I am assuming yoruba is a colonial term (created by europeans)?

hun ,am not yorub so i cant give you detail account of the info you need ....exercise a bit patience so a yoruba can see this thread and add the requisite information

@afrobear: so do you think the Moors were "black" people or what? See this post on Quora there isnt a consensus of what they were. https://www.quora.com/Were-the-North-Africans-known-as-Moors-Black-Why-or-why-not

For American history education, prior to University level, we aren't generally taught about the Moors rule over Spain. In one of my university classes my professor mentioned it briefly, but that was it. When I speak to other people who the moors were(other history majors) there is a push that the Moors weren't actually black, any blacks there were slaves or soldiers. So I want a perspective from other countries on what you were taught and what you believe.

anothergirl:
I am an American and would like to get an African perspective on our history. There are a ton of misconceptions and ideas floating around under the umbrella of "afro-centrism). Here are some questions:

1)Is there any truth to claims of Hebrew Israelite? There are different theories, but most I have read assert that Africans/west africans are actually the real Jews who fled from Egypt.

No, they are not. The evidence that has been offered so far in support of these theories cannot stand up to scrutiny.

2) Who sold African Americans into slavery? What is the consensus? Why?

Mostly it was other Africans doing the selling to European slavers. A few Europeans and Afro-Europeans (children of European slavers and African women) settled on the coast did some slave-raiding of their own too.

3) Are north Africans black or white?

I don't see them as either. One cannot resolve everyone in the world into those two categories - white and black. I see North Africans as 'people of colour'. There are genuine black minority groups among them though: Haratin and Gnawa in the Maghreb, some of the Nubians of Egypt.

4)Do you think the term "sub-saharan" is racist?

No, I don't. It is just a geographical term, meaning 'below the Sahara' or 'south of the Sahara'. My ancestral land is below the Sahara, so yes, I am a sub-Saharan African.

I get that some find it racist, because they think 'sub' carries connotations of inferiority, like 'sub-human', but I think that's just their own misunderstanding of the context.

5)Where can I find information on African History written by Africans themselves who aren't a part of the eurocentric educational system?

Have you checked a local library? There is a fairly long list of African-written books on various regions and ethnicities of Africa. All the general surveys (i.e., those on the entire continent) that I have seen were authored by whites though, except for one 'Africa in the 19th and 20th Centuries', edited by Africans but still with European contributors.

6)Where do Yoruba/Igbo people come from?

My opinion? They came from Africa. Not very far from the lands they currently occupy.

@ajaanaoka Where are you from in Africa? What is your educational level, what university did you go to if any?

Have you heard of the Lemba Jews? Have you seen the map that shows a place in west africa as home of jews? I have to find the picture to post.

North Africans: So You see the indigenous north africans as people of color? not black or white? Ok, why is that? Have you looked into genetic studies? How are both "genuine black minority" groups and "people of color" indigenous to North Africa?

Sub Saharan term: Have you read this article? See below, I used to think it was just geographical too but a little research has me thinking it may be more too it than just geography.

"The example of South Africa is appropriate here. Prior to the formal restoration of African majority government in 1994, South Africa was never designated ‘sub-Sahara Africa’, unlike the rest of the 13 African-led states in southern Africa, which were also often referred to at the time as the ‘frontline states’. South Africa then was either termed ‘white South Africa’ or the ‘South Africa sub-continent’ (as in the ‘India sub-continent’ usage, for instance), meaning ‘almost’/‘partially’ a continent - quite clearly a usage of ‘admiration’ or ‘compliment’ employed by its subscribers to essentially project and valorise the perceived geostrategic potentials or capabilities of the erstwhile regime.

But soon after the triumph of the African freedom movement there, South Africa became ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ in the quickly adjusted schema of this representation" https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/what-exactly-does-%E2%80%98sub-sahara-africa%E2%80%99-mean

My local library is not going to carry books researched by africans on their own cultures. Out of the 8k results that pop up, I get one that is on African History and it was written in 1972 by a white person. I live in the states...

Thanks for your answers, I am not looking to argue, I do want honest opinions from Africans born in raised in Africa.

anothergirl:
@ajaanaoka Where are you from in Africa? What is your educational level, what university did you go to if any?

I am Nigerian. Igbo, actually. I have two degrees, one from a Nigerian university, the other from a university in the UK.

Have you heard of the Lemba Jews? Have you seen the map that shows a place in west africa as home of jews? I have to find the picture to post.

Yes, I have heard about the Lembas. I have not seen this map. Please, post it when you find it.

North Africans: So You see the indigenous north africans as people of color? not black or white? Ok, why is that? Have you looked into genetic studies? How are both "genuine black minority" groups and "people of color" indigenous to North Africa?

I have seen genetic studies, yes. And North Africans are, generally, genetically distinct from 'sub-Saharan' (yes, I am using that word, lol) Africans. Of course, they have some sub-Saharan genes as well.

The oldest skulls from Algeria are of the 'Negroid' type. The typical 'Caucasoid' North African types represent later (but still prehistoric) immigration. I don't know if this answers your last question about indigenous and non-indigenous.

Sub Saharan term: Have you read this article? See below, I used to think it was just geographical too but a little research has me thinking it may be more too it than just geography.

"The example of South Africa is appropriate here. Prior to the formal restoration of African majority government in 1994, South Africa was never designated ‘sub-Sahara Africa’, unlike the rest of the 13 African-led states in southern Africa, which were also often referred to at the time as the ‘frontline states’. South Africa then was either termed ‘white South Africa’ or the ‘South Africa sub-continent’ (as in the ‘India sub-continent’ usage, for instance), meaning ‘almost’/‘partially’ a continent - quite clearly a usage of ‘admiration’ or ‘compliment’ employed by its subscribers to essentially project and valorise the perceived geostrategic potentials or capabilities of the erstwhile regime.

But soon after the triumph of the African freedom movement there, South Africa became ‘sub-Sahara Africa’ in the quickly adjusted schema of this representation" https://www.pambazuka.org/governance/what-exactly-does-%E2%80%98sub-sahara-africa%E2%80%99-mean

Yes, I have. South Africa didn't genuinely saw itself as African to begin with. So I didn't think it was particularly revealing that they didn't perceive themselves (or were perceived in the West) as really sub-Saharan.

I'll admit something here: I think in many people's minds sub-Saharan has become synonymous with 'underdeveloped' and 'extreme poverty'. South Africa, being a modern industrialised society, doesn't exactly fit. So, yes, 'Sub-Saharan' has grown to become more than a geographical term; I'll admit to that. But I am still not sure I'll go with the term being racist.

My local library is not going to carry books researched by africans on their own cultures. Out of the 8k results that pop up, I get one that is on African History and it was written in 1972 by a white person. I live in the states...

Oh, that's a shame. If you'd like a list I could draw one up. Most of the titles I know are from the '70s and '80s though, and are probably already a little dated.

@ajannaoka Thanks for the replies, the university in Nigeria, who created the curriculum? I just tried googling the university of lagos history department and can't find anything on their falculty/professors. In the states usually there is information on where they went to school and links to some of their work. I would love to see a list of work done by Africans on African History with primary sources.

As for North Africans, there seems to be a lot of those who believe that North Africa was indigenous to "white/europeans" but this contradicts other sources that state the people were dark skinned.

Also, Caucasoid skulls don't necessarily mean white ("Caucasoid,[1] or Europid[2]) is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, which, depending on which of the historical race classifications used, have usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, the Caucasus, Asia Minor, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[3]In biological anthropology, Caucasoid has been used as an umbrella term for phenotypically similar groups from these different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, over skin tone.[4] Ancient and modern "Caucasoid" populations were thus held to have ranged in complexion from white to dark brown"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race). I found an article about a "caucasoid skull" from 37K years ago, but they state specifically that the dna of the person showed they don't have white skin. White skin developed more recently like within the last 10k years or less. It seems kind of confusing but that may be for another thread.

What kind of history did you learn about Africa and African Americans in primary school?

anothergirl:
Thanks for responding @haiti13 and @afobear!

Hati13: Do you live in Ethiopia? I have read and seen pictures of black looking christian paintings. Some say that Christianity became widespread by Ethiopian peoples who taught the religion to Europeans. Is there any truth to this? How big was Ethiopia at it's peak? Is it true that at one time in history Ethiopia was the name of all Africans?

As far as North Africans, some say the Berbers were originally dark skinned(similar to the color of actor Denzel Washington or basketball player Lebron James. Some Americans believe that North Africans were originally white people who later mixed with darker people to get the people of today. Who do you think the original inhabitants of North Africa were, who are original berbers? What race is an Arab (is it not just a religion, I thought they could be any race).

What do you know about Moors? I have read about Moors,Berbers and Arabs as if they are all the same people, but in pictures they look different.

Do you think that Ethiopians have recent admixture or did they originally look that way without mixing?

As for the subsaharan term could you explain further? I read this article what do you think of it:http://www.newzimbabwe.com/opinion-34414-Reject+racist+term+Sub+Saharan+Africa/opinion.aspx. Prior to reading it, I always thought the term was due to location only, but if anyone was seriously considering south africa as not a part of sub saharan africa than that would be an issue. I guess in the states there is a lot of talk about africans being "sub-human" by racists and so the sub saharan term can subconsciously denote that idea. Plus there seems to be a push to consider north africa not really african especially in the genetic communities (DNA testing forums).

What kind of education did you get in history? I wonder who writes the african history books/educational material. I am trying to get a perspective from Africans themselves so anything you share would be helpful.

Yes, I live in Ethiopia. Ethiopia was the second nation to accept Christianity after Armenia in the 4th century. The Christian paintings were painted during the Axum Kingdom and Abyssinia Empire. Axum or Abyssinia did only spread Christianity to areas in present day Ethiopia and Eritrea, so they didn't spread it to Europeans. Axum reached it's peak in the 6th century and it's territory was as far as Sudan and Yemen at it's peak. During Axum peak, many scholars agree that, East-Roman, Persian, China and Axum were the only global superpowers. The Ancient Greeks referred the peoples and area south of Egypt as Ethiopians. It was a Greek word means, "burnt face". So, Ethiopia refers to all people and area south of Egypt.

Arab is a Greek word, which means "mixed". Some say, the Ancient Arabs were black, but I don't know if it's true or not, but the current Arabs are a mix of Europeans and other peoples.

I'm an Amhara ethnic. I've written a topic on the origin of Amhara and Tigray(dominate Ethiopia ethnics). Read the above info.
https://www.nairaland.com/3756005/ethiopia-origin-amhara-tigray-gurage

I'm a first year law student, but I'm intending to learn history next year, 2010 Ethiopian calandra(October, 2017).

@Hati13 thanks for sharing! I will read your thread when I get a chance, its good to get your perspective. I am familiar with most of what you have stated on Ethiopia, it seems like its west and central africa that the history is a bit lost.

Anothergirl,

None of my degrees is in history or even the social sciences, so I wouldn't know much about the history curricula in Nigerian universities, but I'd imagine Nigerian academics created the current curriculum; I'd also imagine there'd still be lingering influences from the British edcuation system inherited from colonialism.

Indigenous North Africans couldn't possibly have been "white".

I know 'Caucasoid' doesn't mean 'white', and I didn't say 'Caucasoid' North African types are white. I have already state in an earlier response that I don't think North Africans are white. 'Caucasoid' is a much broader grouping than white.

I learnt no history whatsoever - none at all - in primary school. It was the same when I went to secondary school - nothing! The state of history education in Nigeria is really deplorable. But I've always been an avid reader of history. Everything I know about African and African American history I taught myself

anothergirl:
I am an American and would like to get an African perspective on our history. There are a ton of misconceptions and ideas floating around under the umbrella of "afro-centrism). Here are some questions:

1)Is there any truth to claims of Hebrew Israelite? There are different theories, but most I have read assert that Africans/west africans are actually the real Jews who fled from Egypt.

2) Who sold African Americans into slavery? What is the consensus? Why?

3) Are north Africans black or white?

4)Do you think the term "sub-saharan" is racist?

5)Where can I find information on African History written by Africans themselves who aren't a part of the eurocentric educational system?

6)Where do Yoruba/Igbo people come from?

Loool I am kind of searching for the same answers

1) I read about that too BUT most sites I visit are just too racist, too one sided. I'm looking for sth. neutral. We all know history can be influenced by the people telling the story.

2) I think first the African leaders sold some slaves to the white man in exchange of some cheap stuffs. Later on, they just took the people. Those who were not taken to America were also slaves who were led by their "masters"

3) The mummies found had African features. The pictures drawn by them on the walls displayed them as blacks, even the hair.

5) Unfortunately most sources got destroyed by "colonisation". Who knows if someone will still be able to speak Igbo/Yoruba in 500 years to come. Colonisation did us bad

@anothergirl, ethnicity is a social constructed system to group any people who speak the same language and fellow the same culture. Here in Ethiopia, I will referred as Amhara, because I speak Amharic and my ancestors followed Amhara(Habesha broadly) culture. If I went to USA, then I will be referred as black, because my skin isn't white like them.

So, I don't believe ethnicity in real sense exist. We are all the same.

anothergirl:
I am an American and would like to get an African perspective on our history. There are a ton of misconceptions and ideas floating around under the umbrella of "afro-centrism). Here are some questions:

1)Is there any truth to claims of Hebrew Israelite? There are different theories, but most I have read assert that Africans/west africans are actually the real Jews who fled from Egypt.

2) Who sold African Americans into slavery? What is the consensus? Why?

3) Are north Africans black or white?

4)Do you think the term "sub-saharan" is racist?

5)Where can I find information on African History written by Africans themselves who aren't a part of the eurocentric educational system?

6)Where do Yoruba/Igbo people come from?

Nigerians sold their fellow brothers and sisters into slavery. They led the white man to their own brothers and sisters mostly due to greed...in particular the Igbos and the ones gathered around Port Harcourt. Be careful here because they will sell you again if someone gives them enough money.

AjaanaOka:
Anothergirl,

None of my degrees is in history or even the social sciences, so I wouldn't know much about the history curricula in Nigerian universities, but I'd imagine Nigerian academics created the current curriculum; I'd also imagine there'd still be lingering influences from the British edcuation system inherited from colonialism.

Indigenous North Africans couldn't possibly have been "white".

I know 'Caucasoid' doesn't mean 'white', and I didn't say 'Caucasoid' North African types are white. I have already state in an earlier response that I don't think North Africans are white. 'Caucasoid' is a much broader grouping than white.

I learnt no history whatsoever - none at all - in primary school. It was the same when I went to secondary school - nothing! The state of history education in Nigeria is really deplorable. But I've always been an avid reader of history. Everything I know about African and African American history I taught myself

OMG i thought we had it bad in the states. That is CRAZY! is that typical of Nigerian education? When I did a quick search of on the Lagos University website I could not find any history programs of study. I had once read that some Africans did not know we were enslaved and I honestly thought it was rubbish but if they did not learn any history I can now see the truth of the statement. Amazing. I will look more into it and hope others share their experiences.

FortuneTeller:


Nigerians sold their fellow brothers and sisters into slavery. They led the white man to their own brothers and sisters mostly due to greed...in particular the Igbos and the ones gathered around Port Harcourt. Be careful here because they will sell you again if someone gives them enough money.

Do you have any sources for this information? I am not trying to create division among African peoples only learn about the past.

lovelygurl:


Loool I am kind of searching for the same answers

1) I read about that too BUT most sites I visit are just too racist, too one sided. I'm looking for sth. neutral. We all know history can be influenced by the people telling the story.

2) I think first the African leaders sold some slaves to the white man in exchange of some cheap stuffs. Later on, they just took the people. Those who were not taken to America were also slaves who were led by their "masters"

3) The mummies found had African features. The pictures drawn by them on the walls displayed them as blacks, even the hair.

5) Unfortunately most sources got destroyed by "colonisation". Who knows if someone will still be able to speak Igbo/Yoruba in 500 years to come. Colonisation did us bad

Glad you found the thread! I do want more detailed info on who these "leaders" were. They had to have had details, letters something on who exactly they were trading with. Have you heard of the story of Mansa Musa (or something similar) a Mali king who supposedly sent ships over to the Americas? I haven't verified any of it but maybe some africans can confirm or dispell it as myth. Where are you from?

anothergirl:


OMG i thought we had it bad in the states. That is CRAZY! is that typical of Nigerian education? When I did a quick search of on the Lagos University website I could not find any history programs of study. I had once read that some Africans did not know we were enslaved and I honestly thought it was rubbish but if they did not learn any history I can now see the truth of the statement. Amazing. I will look more into it and hope others share their experiences.

Is that typical of Nigerian education? Yes, pretty much. History courses are however available in senior secondary schools for non-science students. (But I was a science student so....) They are also available in the universities as degree courses.

If you're science-inclined in Nigeria, you can go through the education system, get advanced degrees and not be taught the first thing about your history.

PS: You might want to ignore the last person that commented. This place is infested with trolls. Stoking the fires of ethnic/tribal hate is also a favourite pastime.

anothergirl:


Glad you found the thread! I do want more detailed info on who these "leaders" were. They had to have had details, letters something on who exactly they were trading with. Have you heard of the story of Mansa Musa (or something similar) a Mali king who supposedly sent ships over to the Americas? I haven't verified any of it but maybe some africans can confirm or dispell it as myth. Where are you from?

most of the history i as a person know today is from tales from my grandpa ,my day and a stockpile of african history books owned by my grandpa but unfortunately that was many years ago and i cant find the books

So do you guys learn about your country? Like it's formation and past leaders?

anothergirl:
So do you guys learn about your country? Like it's formation and past leaders?

certainly

@op

African history is not dead. All African tribes know about their origin. Ignore what you read from European anthropologists. They have a lot of facts wrong. Yes our education institutions are teaching history as written by Europeans, and which is biased and tailored to portray African past as barbaric and theirs as the superior culture. Most African countries still use school material approved by the outgoing colonial governments.

But, we still know our history. Search for various threads on this forum for Yoruba, Igbo and other Nigerian tribe and ignore any "expert" (European) opinion.



.

anothergirl:


Glad you found the thread! I do want more detailed info on who these "leaders" were. They had to have had details, letters something on who exactly they were trading with. Have you heard of the story of Mansa Musa (or something similar) a Mali king who supposedly sent ships over to the Americas? I haven't verified any of it but maybe some africans can confirm or dispell it as myth. Where are you from?

No I haven't heard of the story but I'm definitely going to inform myself about it. Have you heard of the 'igbo landing'? It's about a group of people and their leader who were tricked to going to America. When they arrived there and found out it wasn't like they (the whites) promised and they were going to be slaves, they all committed suicide by making sure the ship sank. They believed the 'water spirits' will take them back home and they sang while drowning. It was docemented. In fact Beyonce sang a song about it.

Or the Black Moors. They are believed to have brought civilization to Europe way before colonisation. It's really fascinating. There's so much we don't know, so much that we've lost.

Oh and I'm Nigerian who well grew up in Germany

Sukkot, sirshymexx ..come answer questions

anothergirl:



Do you have any sources for this information? I am not trying to create division among African peoples only learn about the past.

Research the Aro Confederacy. The more you do the footwork for yourself in seeing how Nigerians sold their brothers and sisters, the more you may hate us. Be sure you want to go down that path.

Joavid:
Sukkot, sirshymexx ..come answer questions

That nigga shymmexx dont know history. ask him about nicki minaj and thats right up his alley lolzzz. aiittt lets address the kweshuns