frank317:


Who created Hitler,?

Lucifer . . Everything god did was good and perfect. God is a loving god

frank317:

Lol... God does not exist, there is no evidence of him. Except u are God or u accept he is just a glorified human. What image? With all man's limitations? Or are u just fond of equating man's image with God's when it suits u?

Of course there is
The impossibility of infinite regress, the design and complexity of Dna, the origin of time, space and matter etc, the complexity of human consciousness. etc
Sorry bro, many things point to a creator.
And The Word of God clearly describes how the first man was formed. I know you are angry at God's word. But It states these things clearly.

frank317:

I have never done abortion. Besides u previously sounded like atheists just impregnate girls and abort the child randomly.

But doesn't change the fact that you started seeing "reasons" after hearing of your colleagues who supported it.

frank317:

Drowning everyone, even kids during the time of Noah.

Sorry, the people disobeyed their agreement with God.
No big deal. It was reward for breach of contract.
They were terms and conditions.
And it applied.

frank317:

It's just a point to show that there is not evidence. This is not in line with the point u were trying to make in ur post.

I thought u said it wasnt. Yeah right

frank317:

So how does the whole world see Hitler based on his good resulted action? If it was good no one will call him a bad man.
You need God to tell you to help ur brother in need? I don't.

Yes you don't need God now because your parents have already raised you with what they learnt from God's religious way of upbringing
In 3 generations time, lets see wether your own grandchildren will be able to say so

And Sorry bro, many people (e.g. Neo nazis) of today still believe Hitler is a role model. Get your facts mahn .....

frank317:

No that's not what I mean, how do u bring in anything u like into our discussion.
So u mean that God should, despite seeing that a man has the potential of giving birth to a baby with defects , go head and put the child in him? That's my point. Answer.

Sorry thats what u mean, you said God should withhold children from such people because the children would be born unhealthy.
Thats what u have been saying and u say it again at the bolded.

And as for the question, the same law of reproduction that help people with great potential to be born is the same law that helps such people to get pregnant.
These are part of the laws that keep the universe going.

frank317:

See him talking mother thing.
Oga, what future did God put in a child that is born with brain tumors only to die after four years. Answer instead of changing topic.

The same good future that others who achieved greatness had.
By the way you have consistently failed to realise that that tutor you are probably talking about is as a result of alcohol and cigarettes consumed by the mother while the baby was in the womb. But go ahead, blame God.

Aaronsrod:
The doctors are unwise and should not interfere with Gods Plan. The child is born deformed as a punishment from God. It is a curse against the parents. They have not the wisdom to judge what God has wrought. Woe be unto them!

. oh I know wat is wrong with u but I won't say it here

felixomor:

Of course there is
The impossibility of infinite regress, the design and complexity of Dna, the origin of time, space and matter etc, the complexity of human consciousness. etc
Sorry bro, many things point to a creator.
And The Word of God clearly describes how the first man was formed. I know you are angry at God's word. But It states these things clearly.

Many things point to A creator, that's why u are worshipping Yahweh. See ur life.
I know u re angry at super man, but his words in the comic states how powerful he is. Pls worship super man.

But doesn't change the fact that you started seeing "reasons" after hearing of your colleagues who supported it.

Change what fact? I have not done abortion before,u can't accuse me of something I have never done without knowing me. There is not fact to be changed here. I am seeing no reason whatsoever with u.

Sorry, the people disobeyed their agreement with God.
No big deal. It was reward for breach of contract.
They were terms and conditions.
And it applied.

No wonder extreme Muslims think u all should be killed for breaching Allah's contract.
Btw what contract did they have with Yahweh? What solution did killing them solve?

I thought u said it wasnt. Yeah right

Atheist don't believe in God because there no evidence of him... There fact the world is filled with so much evil shows that there is not evidence of him. The fact that babies are born with defects shows that there is not evidence of God. Evidence is the key word here.
Evil in this world shows that there is no evidence of God..
The reason we think God don't exist is because there is no evidence not because there is evil. Evil ,among other things, just shows that we can maintain there is no evidence.
I no English hard u, but try harder. I can break it down more if u want.

Yes you don't need God now because your parents have already raised you with what they learnt from God's religious way of upbringing
In 3 generations time, lets see wether your own grandchildren will be able to say so

This makes no sense to me, all I know is that I don't do Good becasue God told me to, I do good because, I feel it's right.

And Sorry bro, many people (e.g. Neo nazis) of today still believe Hitler is a role model. Get your facts mahn .....

They are people like u who think Yahweh killing people indiscriminately is right but aborting an unborn child whose delivery will kill his mother is wrong. Ur market no sell here.

Sorry thats what u mean, you said God should withhold children from such people because the children would be born unhealthy.
Thats what u have been saying and u say it again at the bolded.

When did I say that? I was asking u a question based on what u have been saying.

And as for the question, the same law of reproduction that help people with great potential to be born is the same law that helps such people to get pregnant.
These are part of the laws that keep the universe going.

Ok it's no more God putting babies in the womb? Lol, it's now law of production... Lol.
This is ur quote below


God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.


If u had accepted or responded to the op saying that God is not the one who created the babies with two head but it was as a result of of some law of production,we for no de do all this long talk na.

The same good future that others who achieved greatness had.
By the way you have consistently failed to realise that that tutor you are probably talking about is as a result of alcohol and cigarettes consumed by the mother while the baby was in the womb. But go ahead, blame God.

Oga, what future did God see in a chiild who is born of tumor and dies after four years.
You can now answer by saying it's not God that is putting the baby, it is the law of production. That way we can accept that God has no hand and sees no future in anybody.

frank317:

Many things point to A creator, that's why u are worshipping Yahweh. See ur life.
I know u re angry at super man, but his words in the comic states how powerful he is. Pls worship super man.

Sorry the fact that you have now resorted to trolling instead of meaningful rebuttal says it all.
It is not that you can not sense creation, It is just that your anger Is at God because he doesn't allow you to live your care-free life.
We have always known this was the case.

frank317:

Change what fact? I have not done abortion before,u can't accuse me of something I have never done without knowing me. There is not fact to be changed here. I am seeing no reason whatsoever with u.

I never said u did. I said 'Accused" ( in quotes)....

frank317:

No wonder extreme Muslims think u all should be killed for breaching Allah's contract.
Btw what contract did they have with Yahweh? What solution did killing them solve?

Sorry, the topic is not Islam.
Flag of Red Herring Fallacy tactic.
That Works for kids only.

frank317:

Atheist don't believe in God because there no evidence of him...

Hehehe, unfortunately
Atheists don't believe because many of them are angry.
A scientific article even almost concluded that atheists don't exists because it is almost proven that the average human being believes in something consciously or subconsciously. We are wired to believe.
Read more here: http://www.science20.com/writer_on_the_edge/blog/scientists_discover_that_atheists_might_not_exist_and_thats_not_a_joke-139982

frank317:

There fact the world is filled with so much evil shows that there is not evidence of him.

Just look at you again here,
Something u just said atheists don't say. Mscheww

frank317:

The fact that babies are born with defects shows that there is not evidence of God. Evidence is the key word here.
Evil in this world shows that there is no evidence of God..

The fact that baby are born with defects shows that developing babies in the mothers womb can be affected by external factors including main made hazards and hence resulting in deformities
E.g alcohol in pregnancy
Read here: http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1950

frank317:

The reason we think God don't exist is because there is no evidence not because there is evil.

Just look at u again,
Back and forth

frank317:

Evil ,among other things, just shows that we can maintain there is no evidence.
I no English hard u, but try harder. I can break it down more if u want.

Again, back and forth
From denial to affirmation
Swish Swoosh

frank317:

This makes no sense to me, all I know is that I don't do Good becasue God told me to, I do good because, I feel it's right.

Exactly, your feeling is part of you which was formed while you being raised.
As I said lets wait and see how u will raise your own kids with your "atheist bible".

frank317:

They are people like u who think Yahweh killing people indiscriminately is right but aborting an unborn child whose delivery will kill his mother is wrong. Ur market no sell here.

Sorry, nobody said saving a mothers life is wrong. Maybe you have been reading the wrong piece.
Just follow what Jesus Christ teaches and such issues will not come up.

frank317:

When did I say that? I was asking u a question based on what u have been saying.

Ahhh, what type of open denial is this?
U have forgotten about your "born unhealthy"? argument.
Wonderful.

frank317:

Ok it's no more God putting babies in the womb? Lol, it's now law of production... Lol.
This is ur quote below


God saw and still put the baby in their womb because he probably has something in the future he is going to do through that generation.

Sorry bro, it seems your level of trolling has now failed u in recognizing indirect and direct reference in speech
God designed these laws and nobody else.

If I say "my father educated me", it could as well mean "my father paid my fees"
It doesn't have to mean my father taught me directly.

U dig?

frank317:

If u had accepted or responded to the op saying that God is not the one who created the babies with two head but it was as a result of of some law of production,we for no de do all this long talk na.

Again, failing to know the difference between direct and. indirect reference to God .........
Well explained above

frank317:

Oga, what future did God see in a chiild who is born of tumor and dies after four years.

I already explained.
The same potential future he saw in you and me.
Head tumour is not death sentence and it will never be.

frank317:

You can now answer by saying it's not God that is putting the baby, it is the law of production. That way we can accept that God has no hand and sees no future in anybody.

Laws of reproduction, you mean?
Sorry God designed the law by coding it in our DNA,
so by indirect reference it still points to Him.....

Shalom Brah

felixomor:


Sorry the fact that you have now resorted to trolling instead of meaningful rebuttal says it all.
It is not that you can not sense creation, It is just that your anger Is at God because he doesn't allow you to live your care-free life.
We have always known this was the case.

You started the trolling by telling me m Angry with God. I am the last person that will start explaining myself when u start making meaninglessness statement like that. I will just play it back to u to.mKe u see how foolish ur God idea sounds to me.
Meanwhile, u are angry with santa for not bringing u Christmas gift. This will not change the fact that santa exists, sorry.

I never said u did. I said 'Accused" ( in quotes)....

U said accused what?

Sorry, the topic is not Islam.
Flag of Red Herring Fallacy tactic.
That Works for kids only.

And who said the topic was Islam? Why are u afraid of that example? Was the op topic abortion when u brought it up? Why do u suddenly feel threatened when I use Islam to show u how ridiculous ur acceptance that Yahweh should kill people because of sin is? Oga if u accept that Yahweh is free it kill people because they don't worship him, then u shouldn't​ be angry when Allah's people kill Ur people because u don't worship Allah. Simple

Hehehe, unfortunately
Atheists don't believe because many of them are angry.
A scientific article even almost concluded that atheists don't exists because it is almost proven that the average human being believes in something consciously or subconsciously. We are wired to believe.

There is no evidence of ur God. All that one u de talk na long story.

The fact that baby are born with defects shows that developing babies in the mothers womb can be affected by external factors including main made hazards and hence resulting in deformities
E.g alcohol in pregnancy
Read here: http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114&np=122&id=1950

Thank you. Not because any God exists or has a hand in it.

Just look at u again,
Back and forth
Again, back and forth
From denial to affirmation
Swish Swoosh

Oga, if it was the presence of evil that is making me say there is no God. Then I am just only blaming God for evil. That's a different arguement. In fact that's like saying evil is an EVIDENCE of God's wickedness.
Understand the argument, I know it's not easy to wrap up.
The reason athesits don't believe in God is because there is no evidence of him. Bringing in evil.is just to stress that there is no evidence of ur God, it's not actually the main reason we say he does not exist.

Exactly, your feeling is part of you which was formed while you being raised.
As I said lets wait and see how u will raise your own kids with your "atheist bible".

Yea right, our forefathers who were raised before Christianity was introduced don't know what is right and wrong? Well, I am not doing right because God say so, I am doing right because I want to do right.

Sorry, nobody said saving a mothers life is wrong. Maybe you have been reading the wrong piece.
Just follow what Jesus Christ teaches and such issues will not come up.

If u accept it's okay to abort in order to save a mother why then are u arguing with me when I say abortion is right for good reasons?

Ahhh, what type of open denial is this?
U have forgotten about your "born unhealthy"? argument.
Wonderful.

which born unhealthy argument? Bring it up.

Sorry bro, it seems your level of trolling has now failed u in recognizing indirect and direct reference in speech
God designed these laws and nobody else.

If I say "my father educated me", it could as well mean "my father paid my fees"
It doesn't have to mean my father taught me directly.

U dig?

See ur life. My father educated me can never mean my father paid for my fees. They are completely two different things.
God created the process of reproduction is different from God putting it there.
The op is asking if doctors are not challenging God? And u reply by blaming man.
If we want to argue based on God creating the process , I will still show you how ridiculous how such argument is.
So stick to one.. did God put the baby there or did he just create the process and watch while the process is being messed up by humans?

I already explained.
The same potential future he saw in you and me.
Head tumour is not death sentence and it will never be.

This is why I sometimes wonder how u reason. What has what u said up there got to do with my question. Let me rephrase.
Children who died of brain tumors(as a result of birth defect) at the age of four, what future did God see in them before putting them in their mother's​ womb.

Or should we just stick to process and not putting?

Laws of reproduction, you mean?
Sorry God designed the law by coding it in our DNA,
so by indirect reference it still points to Him.....

If this is what u think, go back and reply the op accordingly. If this coded DNA is altered what is the designer of this process doing about it? Since u accept there is a designer, why is the designer not correcting an alteration in his design?

Hati13:
No, because there is no God to begin with.

Hissss halright... Kindly help us with brief analysis on the creation of man,the world at large and death

frank317:

You started the trolling by telling me m Angry with God. I am the last person that will start explaining myself when u start making meaninglessness statement like that.

Eiya Soryy, if u felt trolled.
Thats how you sounded when you started doing argument by repetition (Repeating exactly the same sentence, without new evidence to make it sound true)
At least, in my talk, I have provided u links to back my talk.
I wish you could do same.

frank317:

I will just play it back to u to.mKe u see how foolish ur God idea sounds to me.
Meanwhile, u are angry with santa for not bringing u Christmas gift. This will not change the fact that santa exists, sorry.

Who cares if God idea sounds foolish to you?
Have u forgotten this is "religious section"?
Imagine walking into a football viewing centre and shouting "Manchester United doesn't exist". Its mental illness, my dear.

frank317:

U said accused what?

I said "Accused" in quotes. in other words what you implied the word to mean is not what I meant.
I did not accuse you. But u perceived it as such.

frank317:

And who said the topic was Islam? Why are u afraid of that example?

You changed the topic, so I asked
And Sorry please where did I say I am afraid?
I am not like atheists who only have mouth where Christians are.

frank317:

Was the op topic abortion when u brought it up?

YEs go up and read again
Someone brought up the topic of dying babies and abortion happens to be cases of dying babies.
But Alas, I know you will not see it.

frank317:

Why do u suddenly feel threatened when I use Islam to show u how ridiculous ur acceptance that Yahweh should kill people because of sin is? Oga if u accept that Yahweh is free it kill people because they don't worship him,

Did u see anywhere in my comment where I said I was threatened? I only exposed your diversion.
Only atheists feel threatened, even here on nairaland, they only mostly appear on Christians section running mouth.

frank317:

then u shouldn't​ be angry when Allah's people kill Ur people because u don't worship Allah. Simple

Hahahahah, I thought u just said previously that God is different from man.
Well, At least God creates humans, But man cannot create humans and so man should have no power to take others lives.
But Alas, anything goes!

frank317:

There is no evidence of ur God.

Again trolling,
Argument by repetition
Repeating the same sentence a thousand times, with no new evidence attached
Typical!

frank317:

All that one u de talk na long story.

You just had to pour out vexation here
I can see there was no longer meaningful argument. Eiya Sorry

frank317:

Thank you. Not because any God exists or has a hand in it.

Because God wrote the laws and coded it in our DNA. Simple
I am still waiting for your non - trolling response to this.

frank317:

Oga, if it was the presence of evil that is making me say there is no God. Then I am just only blaming God for evil. That's a different arguement. In fact that's like saying evil is an EVIDENCE of God's wickedness.
Understand the argument, I know it's not easy to wrap up.
The reason athesits don't believe in God is because there is no evidence of him. Bringing in evil.is just to stress that there is no evidence of ur God, it's not actually the main reason we say he does not exist.

Sorry Sir, I have already listed evidences that point to a creator.
On the other hand, You have not offered a single scientific rebuttal of those evidences.
Till then
All this you are doing is trolling - Argument by repition
Its what kids do.

frank317:

Yea right, our forefathers who were raised before Christianity was introduced don't know what is right and wrong? Well, I am not doing right because God say so, I am doing right because I want to do right.

Sorry our forefathers were raised with the knowledge that there is a God who created heavens and earth.
They were not raised as atheists.
So the argument holds.
I don't know the point you were trying to make with forefathers.

frank317:

If u accept it's okay to abort in order to save a mother why then are u arguing with me when I say abortion is right for good reasons?

Likewise
Then why do you also argue when I say God has "good reasons" for The things He does?

frank317:

which born unhealthy argument? Bring it up.

frank317:
........................................

No people are born unhealthy


Of course, but then your God, seeing this will still put babies in their womb, afterall it's not his fault they have probability of giving birth to deformed kids.

........................

Oga Sir, Thats You there.

frank317:

See ur life. My father educated me can never mean my father paid for my fees. They are completely two different things.

@bolded: Says the Law of Franks's English

I thought u were even good with English.
At least from my little knowledge I can remember very well that words had both literal and indirect use.
But for now, I know u will blindly refuse to see it
Mscheww

frank317:

God created the process of reproduction is different from God putting it there.

LMAO
For real?, Just like "God made me" must automatically mean that God physically gave birth to me.
Your English is now even Shutting down.

frank317:

The op is asking if doctors are not challenging God? And u reply by blaming man.

Yes I Know,
And you were the one who was trying to be smart by cutting in on the topic of abortions while I was replying an atheist who brought up the topic of "dying babies".
You garrit?

frank317:

If we want to argue based on God creating the process , I will still show you how ridiculous how such argument is.

Please go ahead and do it logically
Avoid the typical trolling style of argument by repitition.
I will be glad to hear your logical argument

frank317:

So stick to one.. did God put the baby there or did he just create the process and watch while the process is being messed up by humans?

Both. He is very capable of even the second. Considering that People who have been medically certified as unable to have kids have conceived miraculously before.
So I stick with both.

frank317:

This is why I sometimes wonder how u reason. What has what u said up there got to do with my question. Let me rephrase.
Children who died of brain tumors(as a result of birth defect) at the age of four, what future did God see in them before putting them in their mother's​ womb.

Sorry as a doctor, I want to ask you, which brain tumour arose from a birth defect?
Be specific so I can address what I am dealing with specifically.
You may want to rephrase your question in a specific manner.
thanks

frank317:

Or should we just stick to process and not putting?

God is capable of both.
Glory!

frank317:

If this is what u think, go back and reply the op accordingly.

I was actually replying an atheist who brought the topic of dying babies when you cut in

frank317:

If this coded DNA is altered what is the designer of this process doing about it?

Firstly, know that man's wickedness and carelessness can alter DNA. So first know where the blame goes.

Secondly, God has also coded in us, the ability to find the solutions to the problem. Even despite the fact that the problems are caused by man.

frank317:

Since u accept there is a designer, why is the designer not correcting an alteration in his design?

Firstly, know That He is not the one who Altered it.
Secondly he is correcting, He has given many of us the intelligent minds to come up with solutions to this problem.

Shalom

felixomor:


Eiya Soryy, if u felt trolled.
Thats how you sounded when you started doing argument by repetition (Repeating exactly the same sentence, without new evidence to make it sound true)
At least, in my talk, I have provided u links to back my talk.
I wish you could do same.

I am not sending any link. I can't be angry with a being i have never seen. There is no evidence of your God.

Who cares if God idea sounds foolish to you?
Have u forgotten this is "religious section"?
Imagine walking into a football viewing centre and shouting "Manchester United doesn't exist". Its mental illness, my dear.

You ain't seen nothing yet. U preach your God everywhere and when people question it you start crying.

I said "Accused" in quotes. in other words what you implied the word to mean is not what I meant.
I did not accuse you. But u perceived it as such.

Ok

You changed the topic, so I asked
And Sorry please where did I say I am afraid?
I am not like atheists who only have mouth where Christians are.

I didn't change any topic, I used Islam as an example and u started complaining even without replying.

YEs go up and read again
Someone brought up the topic of dying babies and abortion happens to be cases of dying babies.
But Alas, I know you will not see it.

No one did u just threw it in accusing atheist of aborting babies.
See how u brought abortion in below. See the post u responded to in red, see ur response in blue.


2,000 children die daily from disease, hunger and poverty. Where does your god come in?


Including the ones you wickedly abort ba?
God created the babies
Its your duty to take care of them.


what has 2000 kids dying in hunger and poverty got to do with abortion?

Hahahahah, I thought u just said previously that God is different from man.
Well, At least God creates humans, But man cannot create humans and so man should have no power to take others lives.
But Alas, anything goes!

All the war heroes ur God instructed to kill in the Bible are not humans right?

Again trolling,
Argument by repetition
Repeating the same sentence a thousand times, with no new evidence attached
Typical!

You just had to pour out vexation here
I can see there was no longer meaningful argument. Eiya Sorry

There is no argument here, I have told u how I feel about the issues u brought up there. U throwing up fasle accusation and me responding false (opinion) is not my thing.

Because God wrote the laws and coded it in our DNA. Simple.

How? Where did God say he wrote any law and codes in our DNA? How did u come about this info.

Sorry Sir, I have already listed evidences that point to a creator.
On the other hand, You have not offered a single scientific rebuttal of those evidences.
Till then
All this you are doing is trolling - Argument by repition
Its what kids do.

I don't believe God exists because I have no evidence of him... You said u listed evidence? Seriously? Perhaps I missed it.

Sorry our forefathers were raised with the knowledge that there is a God who created heavens and earth.
They were not raised as atheists.
So the argument holds.
I don't know the point you were trying to make with forefathers.

So u just inform people that there is a Creator' and automatically they know what's right and wrong.
What then was the essence of Christianity. If they had access to the God that teaches right from wrong why was there need for missionaries?

Likewise
Then why do you also argue when I say God has "good reasons" for The things He does?

Because I never accepted that God's reason for killing is good. Now u are accepting that there could be a good reason for abortion yet u argue.

Oga Sir, Thats You there.

And u took that to mean I was arguing with u about people being born unhealthy? Did u even see the sarcastic statement I made below which was the bane of all my questions on the topic. How then did u conclude I was arguing about people being born unhealthy when i was simply asking questions based on ur statement that God put babies in people womb. Smh

@bolded: Says the Law of Franks's English

I thought u were even good with English.
At least from my little knowledge I can remember very well that words had both literal and indirect use.
But for now, I know u will blindly refuse to see it
Mscheww

Oga, my father educated me simply means father thought me all I learned in life.
My father paid my school fees means he sponsored my education. It does not mean he educated or thought u anything.
They are not the same thing, quote me anywhere. Can u say because ur teacher educated u in school he was the one that paid Ur fees? Abeg I don't have time to enter unnecessary argument on this.

Yes I Know,
And you were the one who was trying to be smart by cutting in on the topic of abortions while I was replying an atheist who brought up the topic of "dying babies".
You garrit?

Someone talked of babies dying and you accused him.of abortion... What's the relationship?

Both. He is very capable of even the second. Considering that People who have been medically certified as unable to have kids have conceived miraculously before.
So I stick with both.

Are u categorically saying that people who eventually give birth after being medically certified as unable to have kids do not undergo the process of reproduction?

Sorry as a doctor, I want to ask you, which brain tumour arose from a birth defect?
Be specific so I can address what I am dealing with specifically.
You may want to rephrase your question in a specific manner.
thanks

He is trying to Dodge the question. Now are we going to argue if brain tumors can occur because of birth defects? My question is straight forward. Answer it and stop asking distracting questions. If u think brain tumors cannot occur because of birth defect say it so that I can point u to other situation. Or we can use the baby in the op example or other like that.
Just answer my question.
What future did God see in conjoined twins who died after their first few years or days?

I was actually replying an atheist who brought the topic of dying babies when you cut in

What's this? Didn't u indulge me when I cut it? And yes I cut in becasue Ur reply was inappropriate. Now that I have corrected u, go back and reply appropriately.

Firstly, know that man's wickedness and carelessness can alter DNA. So first know where the blame goes.

Secondly, God has also coded in us, the ability to find the solutions to the problem. Even despite the fact that the problems are caused by man.

Ok, agreed.God codes in us, the ability to destroy and repair... Lol.

Firstly, know That He is not the one who Altered it.
Secondly he is correcting, He has given many of us the intelligent minds to come up with solutions to this problem.

Shalom

Lol... Ok, when he was busy coding, when, when and how did he encode in ur, the ability to alter and override his own code.

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it will be nice avin ur contributions

Baby brother Obi,
This must be a mistake?? Moi? You mean you would like me to contribute (after what you told me a few days back)? Thank you baby brother..I'm humbled.
I may come back cause I thought about contributing...just depends on if I feel like debating...which most oftentimes, I don't.
You know how it goes.
I know how you guys love to set "traps" although that doesn't bother me in the least.
I knew doctor (Billy) would contribute.
Anyhow, I didn't want to be rude to you. Just thanking you for including me...

MZLady39:



Baby brother Obi,
This must be a mistake?? Moi? You mean you would like me to contribute (after what you told me a few days back)? Thank you baby brother..I'm humbled.
I may come back cause I thought about contributing...just depends on if I feel like debating...which most oftentimes, I don't.
You know how it goes.
I know how you guys love to set "traps" although that doesn't bother me in the least.
I knew doctor (Billy) would contribute.
Anyhow, I didn't want to be rude to you. Just thanking you for including me...

Ok, the two of u should get a room already

Aaronsrod:
The doctors are unwise and should not interfere with Gods Plan. The child is born deformed as a punishment from God. It is a curse against the parents. They have not the wisdom to judge what God has wrought. Woe be unto them!

.

frank317:


Ok, the two of u should get a room already

Frank,
Really my brother
Like how in the world did you get that out of what I wrote?
I actually happen to call my younger real blood brother the nickname Obi (from his full name).
The first time you actually aren't being mean ...yet you've gone in the wrong direction

obinna58:
I came across this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3775082/baby-india-born-additional-head
about an incompletely formed baby being born with an extra head, which had no ears and eyes due to being partly developed and the infant also had a third hand, this lead doctors to sugery thereby challenging God's perfect creation, they successfully managed to give the baby a new lease of life after founding errors in God's creation.
To the religionists in the house,
does it mean that doctors were too blind to see God's plan for the baby cos we all know that God has a plan for everyone on earth.
Can we say that in a situation like this doctors are ignorant?
doctor who took part in such act, do they deserve any credit?

Religiously amending wht God has created is wrg,but humanly it is a solution.By so d doc will get credit frm humans but might nt get it frm God.

CyrusTheGreat:
EDIT: Did not realise obinna was being sarcastic


Why do stupid people like you still exist...

I rather nt call my fellow being stupid.

MZLady39:


Frank,
Really my brother
Like how in the world did you get that out of what I wrote?
I actually happen to call my younger real blood brother the nickname Obi (from his full name).
The first time you actually aren't being mean ...yet you've gone in the wrong direction

Wow, he is ur brother! Eyaaaaaa.

Anyway, I wasn't totally way off it. Perhaps I saw some affection between u two and my dirty mind saw it as some kind of romance rather than philia.
Aww, u guys are sweet.

Do I really sound mean? People say that a lot. I have been managing reports on training going on a cross Africa and every one thinks I am mean even my boss.

Honestly I don't like this. I feel bad about it because I really don't feel the meanness I exhum. Most times I do it out of clear mind. Now it seems like somethings I can't control.

I am getting married in a few months time, I hope this does not affect my marriage in the long run. I don't want to unintentionally hurt my wife... I want to win award of the best husband of the year, but how can I when everyone thinks I am mean

dalaman:


Like those that refused to worship him or those that mock is prophets.

Yourself knew their error, why do you wanted to support insubordination

frank317:


Wow, he is ur brother! Eyaaaaaa.

Anyway, I wasn't totally way off it. Perhaps I saw some affection between u two and my dirty mind saw it as some kind of romance rather than philia.
Aww, u guys are sweet.

Do I really sound mean? People say that a lot. I have been managing reports on training going on a cross Africa and every one thinks I am mean even my boss.

Honestly I don't like this. I feel bad about it because I really don't feel the meanness I exhum. Most times I do it out of clear mind. Now it seems like somethings I can't control.

I am getting married in a few months time, I hope this does not affect my marriage in the long run. I don't want to unintentionally hurt my wife... I want to win award of the best husband of the year, but how can I when everyone thinks I am mean

No...lol.
Obinna is NOT my real brother.
None of my siblings are on NL.
I have 1 REAL brother whose first name begins with an "O" & I call him Obi.
I tend to call most guys "brother".


Congrats on getting married soon.
You actually are being transparent for once.
Although we have differing beliefs, we can be respectful towards one another.
You know I've been calling you "mean" from abour Day 2 or 3 of meeting you. I also complimented your intellect.
But it's your "delivery" that needs work.
If you see that it may be an issue and are working on it, then that's good.

MZLady39:



Baby brother Obi,
This must be a mistake?? Moi? You mean you would like me to contribute (after what you told me a few days back)? Thank you baby brother..I'm humbled.
I may come back cause I thought about contributing...just depends on if I feel like debating...which most oftentimes, I don't.
You know how it goes.
I know how you guys love to set "traps" although that doesn't bother me in the least.
I knew doctor (Billy) would contribute.
Anyhow, I didn't want to be rude to you. Just thanking you for including me...

I like ur sincerity
on a second thought I think your opinion matters a lot not just to me, but to the viewers esp those having doubts, u never know the little u add might satisfy the minds consigning their religious view
I guess u wouldn't want more religious converts

frank317:


Ok, the two of u should get a room already

Heheheh
only those capable of praying 4hrs per day deserves going to a room with



Mzlady39 4hrs, guess that enough for u cos u not too religious

MZLady39:



No...lol.
Obinna is NOT my real brother.
None of my siblings are on NL.
I have 1 REAL brother whose first name begins with an "O" & I call him Obi.
I tend to call most guys "brother".

Really
They will soon be on nairaland, make sure u keep them off RS on Nl

Abdul124:
Religiously amending wht God has created is wrg,but humanly it is a solution.By so d doc will get credit frm humans but might nt get it frm God.

Wow
With this view do u still think God z perfect?
And why would he still give humans the ability to correct his errors

obinna58:

Wow
With this view do u still think God z perfect?
And why would he still give humans the ability to correct his errors

Yes he is perfect becos;he decide wht ever he wishes to create and it is d decision of man to develop wht ever knowledge God has implanted in him or her.

obinna58:

I created this thread to hear what religionists have to say to doctors in such situation, seems they kept off the thread, atheist contributions are also allow but along the line they drove away from the main topic

u made a nice contribution

Thank you for your kind words.

Abdul124:
Religiously amending wht God has created is wrg,but humanly it is a solution.By so d doc will get credit frm humans but might nt get it frm God.

How about looking at it from another angle?

What if the flaw in the child isn't GOD's creation?

Your argument seems to assume there are only 2 parties involved in whatever happens on Earth: GOD and man.

If only it were that simple...

adepeter26:

Lucifer . . Everything god did was good and perfect. God is a loving god

No sir,evil is creation of man . we chose the path to walk on

Of course they are! Silly doctors should have left the child deformed as god created him.

alignacademy:


How about looking at it from another angle?

What if the flaw in the child isn't GOD's creation?

Your argument seems to assume there are only 2 parties involved in whatever happens on Earth: GOD and man.

If only it were that simple...

It is nt dat am assuming dat dey are to parties to whtever dat happens on earth.But amending wht God had created is truely wrg.Wht has been deliverd naturally can be of any persons creation but God.By d way still discussing on dis topic is some how a sin.

Abdul124:
It is nt dat am assuming dat dey are to parties to whtever dat happens on earth.But amending wht God had created is truely wrg.Wht has been deliverd naturally can be of any persons creation but God.By d way still discussing on dis topic is some how a sin.

Perhaps you haven't heard of barren people getting children from other sources.

A lot of what goes on here is NOT GOD's will, hence Jesus Christ's prayer asking for GOD's will to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

By the way, how is discussion a sin?

I see discussion as a way to rub minds with others and grow.

alignacademy:


Perhaps you haven't heard of barren people getting children from other sources.

A lot of what goes on here is NOT GOD's will, hence Jesus Christ's prayer asking for GOD's will to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

By the way, how is discussion a sin?

I see discussion as a way to rub minds with others and grow.

Not generally all discussions but mainly dis.Why ask if d creator is perfect or not.

Abdul124:
Not generally all discussions but mainly dis.Why ask if d creator is perfect or not.

OK.

I see your point

obinna58:
I came across this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3775082/baby-india-born-additional-head
about an incompletely formed baby being born with an extra head, which had no ears and eyes due to being partly developed and the infant also had a third hand, this lead doctors to sugery thereby challenging God's perfect creation, they successfully managed to give the baby a new lease of life after founding errors in God's creation.
To the religionists in the house,
does it mean that doctors were too blind to see God's plan for the baby cos we all know that God has a plan for everyone on earth.
Can we say that in a situation like this doctors are ignorant?
doctor who took part in such act, do they deserve any credit?

God is perfect.
Wrong Human choices and the fall of man led to that babys deformity.
Evil and suffering like this babies own proves even more that God exist.

“MY ARGUMENT AGAINST GOD WAS THAT THE
UNIVERSE SEEMED SO CRUEL AND UNJUST.
BUT HOW HAD I GOT THIS IDEA OF JUST AND
UNJUST? A MAN DOES NOT CALL A LINE
CROOKED UNLESS HE HAS SOME IDEA OF A
STRAIGHT LINE.”

We all believe this babies deformity is evil becos we all have a sense of what is good.
Which can only be gotten if God exists becos.chance,Evolution and bigbang have no morality

Atheists say God does not exist
because of supposed
contradictions in His nature that do not
match the world, yet they are perfectly happy
to accept that an impersonal, amoral,
meaningless, purposeless universe
accidentally created personal beings who are
obsessed with morality, meaning, and
purpose in life. If, as they argue, a cause
must resemble its effect, then what
explanation do they give for this
contradiction? Mindless matter has no way of
producing mind or anything similar.