Nowenuse:


Wait, before we continue, may i know your nationality?

Seriously Nowenuse you know my nationality..Kenyan

mtis:

Seriously Nowenuse you know my nationality..Kenyan

Ok, i tot u were Ghanaian because of your comment about that TZ song being in swahili. Don't u speak swahili?

I have also observed from my interraction with most Kenyans here that they do not like other people commending and admiring Tanzaninas over the beauty of their swahili tongue and music industry.

Seems like u are very different in that regard.

Are u kikuyu, luo, luhya or ?

Nowenuse:


Ok, i tot u were Ghanaian because of your comment about that TZ song being in swahili. Don't u speak swahili?

I have also observed from my interraction with most Kenyans here that they do not like other people commending and admiring Tanzaninas over the beauty of their swahili tongue and music industry.

Seems like u are very different in that regard.

Are u kikuyu, luo, luhya or ?

we got issues with Tanzanians on other issues but on the music part Tanzanian music is awesome no lie.. an am a Kenyan ( )

@mtis

It's a very complicated and emotional issue.
Yes, many South-easternerns feel other Nigerians are dragging them backwards. They may be right or wrong about it.
For me, i think they are right and wrong at the same time.

mtis:

we got issues with Tanzanians on other issues but on the music part Tanzanian music is awesome no lie.. an am a Kenyan ( )

Ok. I also think Kenya got some great musicians too, just that TZ musicians seem to be more and they seem to have a very unique flavour in their music that one cannot just explain.

So, why dont u want to say your ethnic group?

Nowenuse:


Hmm, quite bitter history there. Did Tunisians and Moroccans also suffer same fate in the hands of the french? Then i commend your people for making so much progress.

Why do many present day Algerians look so much like Europeans compared to Tunisians and Moroccans (my personal observation though, i may be wrong)? It is said there was strong interracial mixing during the colonial period? Is it true?

for tunisia and morocco ,It was a protectorate, not the same case as algeria , the Tunisians and Moroccans easily accepted the protectorate, and havent resisted, in view of the atrocities that they heard in Algeria ( french fought algerian resistances and guerilla from 1830 until 1902 to have the control of algerian land) . so fewer crimes were committed in tunisia morroco

for algeria, there was not a lot interracial mix Except for rape ! indigene and colon had an appartheid system ! algerian moroccan tunisian are whites before french came , before turkish , spanish, portugues , arabs , vandals , romans , byzentins , phenicians came also . but we share race caracteristic with mediteraneens

Nowenuse:


Yes i think i am aware of this.

Hausa in Ghana is more like a language for muslims. Like the lingua franca of all muslim tribes. This is almost the same case in northern and central Cameroon.

Believe me as a hausa speaker, i have met many Hausa speaking Ghanaians and it is very clear that most of them speak it as a 2nd language from their intonation.
I really wonder how Hausa came to penetrate Ghana more, without penetrating Togo and Benin republic as such. A Ghanaian once told me that it was because of islam.

I never knew hausa was so entrenched in Ghana until i started coming across Hausa Ghana movies. I also noticed that some adverts in GH were done in hausa..

Seriously, if not for the illiteracy and backwardness of native Hausas, Hausa would have been the most spoken language in Africa by now. Cos it would have spread farther by now.

Just for the records, Gbari is a dialect or subgroup of Gbagyi (the major ethnic group of FCT and Abuja), but Gbaris are mostly found in Niger state. Gbagyi is the general and official ethnic name (corrupted as GWARI by the hausas).
Gbagyis are middlebelters and most middlebelters (except Benue-Kogi people) adopted Hausa as a 2nd language.

one of the way hausa penetrate ghana is through business. they deal in cola nut and groundnut.

another reason can be link to the influence of tijaniya movement. most of the muslim in ghana are tijaniya which is a very big branch of islam in kano state.

there is a particular tribe in ghana called dagoma in northern region ,they claim they ate from nigeria north. gombe and adamawa precisely.

hausa has a very large speaker in west africa and its influence is still growing.i also think education and exposure is the reason yoruba languge is not as influencial as hausa. yoruba are the largest nigeria ethnic group in ghana ,benin ,togo ,ivory coast , saro . yet it does not enjoy the same priviledge with hausa. yoruba people prefer using their host community language which is not the same with hausa.

it may suprise you. yoruba and hausa in ghana are like brother and sister.

Nowenuse:


Ok. I also think Kenya got some great musicians too, just that TZ musicians seem to be more and they seem to have a very unique flavour in their music that one cannot just explain.

So, why dont u want to say your ethnic group?

Coz just like Nigerians Kenyans in a way are tribal an have stereotypes about other tribes ..so no my tribe is Kenya

chkil0:


clear advantage are you serious ? do you know that half of all algerian population was killed in only the first 42 years of invasion (1830-1872) , and millions after , it was a genocide . an Ethnic cleansing , they decimated all the villages and town on their paths (men, women, olds , children the soldiers received a piece of silver for each head and ear cut , back to the commander ) burned the crops ect... algerians were not consider as humans and had not the french nationality and no rights . Algeria was not a colony but a French department of France thats why they try to clean it from indigenes.

the few infrastucture built by french were for french and europeens colons! for exemple schools ! illiteracy of algerians population was 85 % in 1962 ( independancy) now days its only 11%

This is very true chkil0 . I read about how frenchmen made Algeria a department of France, and settled there. They were calling themselves the "pieds a tèrre" or something.
I have question if you dont mind. I always see french Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians people on the public eye. My most famous one is Zinedine zidane, who remains my favorite player from the 90s. How do Algerians and other North Africans receive them when they visit North Africa ?

chkil0:


for tunisia and morocco ,It was a protectorate, not the same case as algeria , the Tunisians and Moroccans easily accepted the protectorate, and havent resisted, in view of the atrocities that they heard in Algeria ( french fought algerian resistances and guerilla from 1830 until 1902 to have the control of algerian land) . so fewer crimes were committed in tunisia morroco

for algeria, there was not a lot interracial mix Except for rape ! indigene and colon had an appartheid system ! algerian moroccan tunisian are whites before french came , before turkish , spanish, portugues , arabs , vandals , romans , byzentins , phenicians came also . but we share race caracteristic with mediteraneens

Ok, it's very true i think.
Algerian land was very vast and rich and probably what enticed the French to want to make it an extension of france and not just a protectorate.
Algerians too, seemed to be more stubborn than other maghrebis.

Truly, Algerians have been mixing with Europeans even long before the French came.

Talking about rape, was it that serious? Was it during the invasion wars or during the ruling period?

mtis:

Coz just like Nigerians Kenyans in a way are tribal an have stereotypes about other tribes ..so no my tribe is Kenya

Oh, i don't think stereotyping is enough for you to be shy about your identity.

Seriously, i wonder why a country like Kenya with a unifying language would still be facing issues of tribalism.
If Nigeria had a unifying language, i think we would have been far more united today. (i may be wrong though)

MtuMsuper:

This is very true chkil0 . I read about how frenchmen made Algeria a department of France, and settled there. They were calling themselves the "pieds a tèrre" or something.
I have question if you dont mind. I always see french Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians people on the public eye. My most famous one is Zinedine zidane, who remains my favorite player from the 90s. How do Algerians and other North Africans receive them when they visit North Africa ?

for french colon they are called "pieds noirs" ( Black feet) , and for algerians like zidane and others they have the double nationality ! so they are algerians also ! and when you talk to them in france they like more algeria then france ! and most of them come to spend their holidays in their orgin country, so we can say that the new inverse colonization of france by maghrebins !

vaxx:
one of the way hausa penetrate ghana is through business. they deal in cola nut and groundnut.

another reason can be link to the influence of tijaniya movement. most of the muslim in ghana are tijaniya which is a very big branch of islam in kano state.

there is a particular tribe in ghana called dagoma in northern region ,they claim they ate from nigeria north. gombe and adamawa precisely.

hausa has a very large speaker in west africa and its influence is still growing.i also think education and exposure is the reason yoruba languge is not as influencial as hausa. yoruba are the largest nigeria ethnic group in ghana ,benin ,togo ,ivory coast , saro . yet it does not enjoy the same priviledge with hausa. yoruba people prefer using their host community language which is not the same with hausa.

it may suprise you. yoruba and hausa in ghana are like brother and sister.

Hausas have a very powerful way of influencing others with their language (especially smaller tribes).
This was exactly the way they infiltrated central and North-east Nigeria, non hausa parts of Niger and northern Cameroon. (although fulani jihad was another avenue).

I guess, most of the yorubas close to Hausas in Ghana must be muslim yorubas? Cos i don't really see christian yorubas being close to Hausas.

chkil0:


for french colon they are called "pieds noirs" ( Black feet) , and for algerians like zidane and others they have the double nationality ! so they are algerians also ! and when you talk to them in france they like more algeria then france ! and most of them come to spend their holidays in their orgin country, so we can say that the new inverse colonization of france by maghrebins !

ok.This is good, though many cannot speak local language well.

@chkil0

Why do maghrebis don't act united or see themselves as one people as such?
I have heard many Tunisians and moroccans claiming to dislike Algerians and vice versa. Why the differences?

Tunisians also appear to be more westernized than Algerians and Moroccans, why is this so? Apparently, almost half of Tunisian young women no longer cover their hair and i even heard that hijab was banned at a time in public places in Tunisia.

freshest4live:
Yeah l only differentiate them by their accent

who copied who?

Nowenuse:


Oh, i don't think stereotyping is enough for you to be shy about your identity.

Seriously, i wonder why a country like Kenya with a unifying language would still be facing issues of tribalism.
If Nigeria had a unifying language, i think we would have been far more united today. (i may be wrong though)

Some politicians in Africa like to use ethnicity as a rallying point and to ascend to power, because they want to loot because that is their only agenda.

Nowenuse:


Hmm, ok i see.
it really seems like these settlers in Ivory coast especially those from Mali and Burkina faso are the ones dragging Ivory coast backwards, cos it seems like most of the original Ivorians are very educated and progressive people, but you wonder why Ivory coast is not doing so well in human and other indexes.
Do u also share this thought?

well it is of two side. the present president of ivory coast now is half burkina half ivorian.almost all the tribe are now getting married to each other.i think the ivorian society is really influence by french. and the old french protectorate in general apart from senegal are not doing well more than their english neigbour. although law and order is dully follow more than the english country. the fula from mali are not gerally uneducated. some are well respect people in the society.illiteracy is very common among the french country. use benin and togo ,mali for example.

Nowenuse:


Ok, it's very true i think.
Algerian land was very vast and rich and probably what enticed the French to want to make it an extension of france and not just a protectorate.
Algerians too, seemed to be more stubborn than other maghrebis.

Truly, Algerians have been mixing with Europeans even long before the French came.

Talking about rape, was it that serious? Was it during the invasion wars or during the ruling period?

rape was during first invasion and also used during rulling period , specially as torture during last algerian revolution , algerians womens are pretty and many look europeens , so there was many rape during invasion , (Women in isolated villages even threw themselves into the crotus of horse when the French soldiers approached the village to be killed immedialty without been raped ) !

MtuMsuper:

Some politicians in Africa like to use ethnicity as a rallying point and to ascend to power, because they want to loot because that is their only agenda.

This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much.
This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system.
Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ.

Nowenuse:


LoL ok.

Do most Ghanaians speak pidgin? Cos i see Ghanaians speaking it well in movies and musics.
Is it a lingua franca in GH?

how can it be a lingua franca, they learnt it from Nigerians.

Nigeria has exposed that pidgin language to all parts of Africa , everybody now knows its a Nigerian thing , so if ghanains are speaking it in movies or music ,everybody will think its a Nigerian movie or music

chkil0:
...

Just a side note, I think it's good that Algeria had taken initiative to recognize the Tamazight language.

Nowenuse:


Hausas have a very powerful way of influencing others with their language (especially smaller tribes).
This was exactly the way they infiltrated central and North-east Nigeria, non hausa parts of Niger and northern Cameroon. (although fulani jihad was another avenue).

I guess, most of the yorubas close to Hausas in Ghana must be muslim yorubas? Cos i don't really see christian yorubas being close to Hausas.

yes. most of the yoruba who have choosen ghana as their second home are muslim. although this is changing now due to inter marriage between yoruba and the local ghanians who are mainly christain

Nowenuse:


This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much.
This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system.
Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ.

promotion of ethnic sub units will not stop tribalism in africa. Its the practice of making your ethnicity count as a factor of production or giving you undue advantage that counts. In other words , meritocracy. Malaysia removed barriers to joining trades or professions to ethnic malays by deliberate programs to uplift them and be at par with the chinese and ethnic indian Malaysians. Once you remove disadvantage or perceived disadvantage and make everybody equally valued and have equal chances, access and opportunities, tribalism will be dealt a huge blow. See how european tribes entrench this philosophy. As for Tanzania, they just decided to swahilinize the country after independence by suppressing ethnic expression and languages, and then calling it national unity.Many will disagree with me on this last point.

Nowenuse:
@chkil0

Why do maghrebis don't act united or see themselves as one people as such?
I have heard many Tunisians and moroccans claiming to dislike Algerians and vice versa. Why the differences?

Tunisians also appear to be more westernized than Algerians and Moroccans, why is this so? Apparently, almost half of Tunisian young women no longer cover their hair and i even heard that hijab was banned at a time in public places in Tunisia.

no, algerians and tunisians are very close ! for tunisia its the most close country to algerians the relationship is excellent ! for exemple 1,8 millions algerian tourists went to tunisia in 2016 !

for morocco we have some politics problems because in independancy 1962 morroco sent its army and try to still a part of our land and their was little military fights in borders ! but now days its only politics problems between the two gouvernment about western sahara
for population in internet you will find the competition ( my country is better then yours ) like you nigerians and south africans in this forum

for tunisian yes under bourguiba president (1957- 1987) they try to erase radical islamism ( banned hijab at school in 1957 ) the sam with benali after him , but after tnisian revolution they are more free to wre or not hijab , same like algeria morocco

vaxx:
well it is of two side. the present president of ivory coast now is half burkina half ivorian.almost all the tribe are now getting married to each other.i think the ivorian society is really influence by french. and the old french protectorate in general apart from senegal are not doing well more than their english neigbour. although law and order is dully follow more than the english country. the fula from mali are not gerally uneducated. some are well respect people in the society.illiteracy is very common among the french country. use benin and togo ,mali for example.

Yes, true. I think Senegalese and Ivorians seem to be better in terms of education and civilization because they were closer to Dakar which was the capital of colonial French West Africa, unlike the Malians, Burkinabes, Togolese, Beninoise and the worst of all Nigèriens who were farther away from Dakar.
The united colonial french west Africa was a very terrible colonial system.

But why is Ivory coast so progressive compared to other Francophone west Africans? more than even the Senegalse who are more educated and westernized?
Just look at Abidjan and how beautiful, developed and civilized it looks.
I think Senegal is supposed to be leading Francophone west Africa and not Ivory coast

vaxx:
hausa is an imported language into ghanian society. it is not recognized officially in schools. however the language is growing day by day due to the extended family of the muslim. it may even suprise you to know that majority of those who speak hausa are not real indigineous hausa. they are kotokoli a tribe from togo ,zambaruma a tribe in nigeria and mostly in niger republic, zugu a tribe in northern benin republic .even yoruba muslim in ghana speak hausa as their second language. this hausa language may be consider broken and fun to nigeria native hausa speaker.

most of the hausa youth in ghana are very aggresive. they are more like ajegunle boys in nigeria. the use of the language is associated with thugs , robbery and bold mind.

nonethless some hausa speaker are educated. this are the people who speak hausa and miss it with english.


the most common language in ghana is twi . spoken as the first language of more than 75. percent people. accra native language is inkrai. but it is not as powerful like twi in accra ,just the way hausa dominate abuja instead of gbari language

no offense to ghanains oo but they tend to imitate everything Nigeria does even d bad things . I really don't know y they do that

vaxx:
ghanian pidgin is still under development. they are borrowing nigeria slangs , words and some part of their native language. the illitrate speak poor pidgin. you will only like it when an educated youth speak pidgin than the illiterate.most of the ghanian old educated men does not even understand it.

that's becos its not their thing

Nowenuse:


This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much.
This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system.
Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ.

People dont wanna say it but caste system in India is still operational.Checked a CNN doc on how lower caste groups clean other guys poop an confronted a friend of mine from India but he denied it...
For Tanzania Ujamaa thingy worked well for them (brought them together).There is a joke that Tanzanians knows who from which tribe in Kenya but not theirs. But on the other hand it tanked their economy

vaxx:
yes. most of the yoruba who have choosen ghana as their second home are muslim. although this is changing now due to inter marriage between yoruba and the local ghanians who are mainly christain

Ok. Yes yorubas practice a very liberal form of islam, so they easily convert or leave the religion. The same thing in Nigeria and this is why unfortunately, many Hausas see yoruba muslims as fake or inferior muslims.

mtis:

may i ask you humbly if you guys split would it help matters

if Nigeria spilts ,it wud be disastrous

uzzyfire:
no offense to ghanains oo but they tend to imitate everything Nigeria does even d bad things . I really don't know y they do that

LoL, chill bro. You do not want to take us back to the unfriendly and harsh tone here. Join the train of diplomacy and friendliness here. Let's learn from each other.
Comments like these bring back the insults among us.