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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 10:57am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Seriously Nowenuse you know my nationality..Kenyan |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:02am On May 07, 2017 |
mtis: Ok, i tot u were Ghanaian because of your comment about that TZ song being in swahili. Don't u speak swahili? I have also observed from my interraction with most Kenyans here that they do not like other people commending and admiring Tanzaninas over the beauty of their swahili tongue and music industry. Seems like u are very different in that regard. Are u kikuyu, luo, luhya or ? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:06am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:we got issues with Tanzanians on other issues but on the music part Tanzanian music is awesome no lie.. an am a Kenyan ( ) |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:06am On May 07, 2017 |
@mtis It's a very complicated and emotional issue. Yes, many South-easternerns feel other Nigerians are dragging them backwards. They may be right or wrong about it. For me, i think they are right and wrong at the same time. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:09am On May 07, 2017 |
mtis: Ok. I also think Kenya got some great musicians too, just that TZ musicians seem to be more and they seem to have a very unique flavour in their music that one cannot just explain. So, why dont u want to say your ethnic group? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:10am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse: for tunisia and morocco ,It was a protectorate, not the same case as algeria , the Tunisians and Moroccans easily accepted the protectorate, and havent resisted, in view of the atrocities that they heard in Algeria ( french fought algerian resistances and guerilla from 1830 until 1902 to have the control of algerian land) . so fewer crimes were committed in tunisia morroco for algeria, there was not a lot interracial mix Except for rape ! indigene and colon had an appartheid system ! algerian moroccan tunisian are whites before french came , before turkish , spanish, portugues , arabs , vandals , romans , byzentins , phenicians came also . but we share race caracteristic with mediteraneens |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 11:10am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:one of the way hausa penetrate ghana is through business. they deal in cola nut and groundnut. another reason can be link to the influence of tijaniya movement. most of the muslim in ghana are tijaniya which is a very big branch of islam in kano state. there is a particular tribe in ghana called dagoma in northern region ,they claim they ate from nigeria north. gombe and adamawa precisely. hausa has a very large speaker in west africa and its influence is still growing.i also think education and exposure is the reason yoruba languge is not as influencial as hausa. yoruba are the largest nigeria ethnic group in ghana ,benin ,togo ,ivory coast , saro . yet it does not enjoy the same priviledge with hausa. yoruba people prefer using their host community language which is not the same with hausa. it may suprise you. yoruba and hausa in ghana are like brother and sister. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:11am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Coz just like Nigerians Kenyans in a way are tribal an have stereotypes about other tribes ..so no my tribe is Kenya 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 11:17am On May 07, 2017 |
chkil0:This is very true chkil0 . I read about how frenchmen made Algeria a department of France, and settled there. They were calling themselves the "pieds a tèrre" or something. I have question if you dont mind. I always see french Algerians, Moroccans and Tunisians people on the public eye. My most famous one is Zinedine zidane, who remains my favorite player from the 90s. How do Algerians and other North Africans receive them when they visit North Africa ? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:18am On May 07, 2017 |
chkil0: Ok, it's very true i think. Algerian land was very vast and rich and probably what enticed the French to want to make it an extension of france and not just a protectorate. Algerians too, seemed to be more stubborn than other maghrebis. Truly, Algerians have been mixing with Europeans even long before the French came. Talking about rape, was it that serious? Was it during the invasion wars or during the ruling period? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:22am On May 07, 2017 |
mtis: Oh, i don't think stereotyping is enough for you to be shy about your identity. Seriously, i wonder why a country like Kenya with a unifying language would still be facing issues of tribalism. If Nigeria had a unifying language, i think we would have been far more united today. (i may be wrong though) |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:24am On May 07, 2017 |
MtuMsuper: for french colon they are called "pieds noirs" ( Black feet) , and for algerians like zidane and others they have the double nationality ! so they are algerians also ! and when you talk to them in france they like more algeria then france ! and most of them come to spend their holidays in their orgin country, so we can say that the new inverse colonization of france by maghrebins ! |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:26am On May 07, 2017 |
vaxx: Hausas have a very powerful way of influencing others with their language (especially smaller tribes). This was exactly the way they infiltrated central and North-east Nigeria, non hausa parts of Niger and northern Cameroon. (although fulani jihad was another avenue). I guess, most of the yorubas close to Hausas in Ghana must be muslim yorubas? Cos i don't really see christian yorubas being close to Hausas. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 11:30am On May 07, 2017 |
chkil0:ok.This is good, though many cannot speak local language well. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:34am On May 07, 2017 |
@chkil0 Why do maghrebis don't act united or see themselves as one people as such? I have heard many Tunisians and moroccans claiming to dislike Algerians and vice versa. Why the differences? Tunisians also appear to be more westernized than Algerians and Moroccans, why is this so? Apparently, almost half of Tunisian young women no longer cover their hair and i even heard that hijab was banned at a time in public places in Tunisia. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:34am On May 07, 2017 |
freshest4live:who copied who? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 11:34am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Some politicians in Africa like to use ethnicity as a rallying point and to ascend to power, because they want to loot because that is their only agenda. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 11:36am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:well it is of two side. the present president of ivory coast now is half burkina half ivorian.almost all the tribe are now getting married to each other.i think the ivorian society is really influence by french. and the old french protectorate in general apart from senegal are not doing well more than their english neigbour. although law and order is dully follow more than the english country. the fula from mali are not gerally uneducated. some are well respect people in the society.illiteracy is very common among the french country. use benin and togo ,mali for example. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:37am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse: rape was during first invasion and also used during rulling period , specially as torture during last algerian revolution , algerians womens are pretty and many look europeens , so there was many rape during invasion , (Women in isolated villages even threw themselves into the crotus of horse when the French soldiers approached the village to be killed immedialty without been raped ) ! 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:38am On May 07, 2017 |
MtuMsuper: This is very true! And this seems to be one reason why tribalism may never die in Africa. Politics promote it too much. This is why i wish our countries all have ethnic states like India who all control their own rescources in a more decentralized central govt system. Or promotion of ethnicity be banned as it was done in TZ. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:41am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:how can it be a lingua franca, they learnt it from Nigerians. Nigeria has exposed that pidgin language to all parts of Africa , everybody now knows its a Nigerian thing , so if ghanains are speaking it in movies or music ,everybody will think its a Nigerian movie or music |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 9jakool: 11:44am On May 07, 2017 |
chkil0:Just a side note, I think it's good that Algeria had taken initiative to recognize the Tamazight language. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 11:47am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:yes. most of the yoruba who have choosen ghana as their second home are muslim. although this is changing now due to inter marriage between yoruba and the local ghanians who are mainly christain 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by MtuMsuper: 11:50am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:promotion of ethnic sub units will not stop tribalism in africa. Its the practice of making your ethnicity count as a factor of production or giving you undue advantage that counts. In other words , meritocracy. Malaysia removed barriers to joining trades or professions to ethnic malays by deliberate programs to uplift them and be at par with the chinese and ethnic indian Malaysians. Once you remove disadvantage or perceived disadvantage and make everybody equally valued and have equal chances, access and opportunities, tribalism will be dealt a huge blow. See how european tribes entrench this philosophy. As for Tanzania, they just decided to swahilinize the country after independence by suppressing ethnic expression and languages, and then calling it national unity.Many will disagree with me on this last point. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:50am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse: no, algerians and tunisians are very close ! for tunisia its the most close country to algerians the relationship is excellent ! for exemple 1,8 millions algerian tourists went to tunisia in 2016 ! for morocco we have some politics problems because in independancy 1962 morroco sent its army and try to still a part of our land and their was little military fights in borders ! but now days its only politics problems between the two gouvernment about western sahara for population in internet you will find the competition ( my country is better then yours ) like you nigerians and south africans in this forum for tunisian yes under bourguiba president (1957- 1987) they try to erase radical islamism ( banned hijab at school in 1957 ) the sam with benali after him , but after tnisian revolution they are more free to wre or not hijab , same like algeria morocco 2 Likes |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:51am On May 07, 2017 |
vaxx: Yes, true. I think Senegalese and Ivorians seem to be better in terms of education and civilization because they were closer to Dakar which was the capital of colonial French West Africa, unlike the Malians, Burkinabes, Togolese, Beninoise and the worst of all Nigèriens who were farther away from Dakar. The united colonial french west Africa was a very terrible colonial system. But why is Ivory coast so progressive compared to other Francophone west Africans? more than even the Senegalse who are more educated and westernized? Just look at Abidjan and how beautiful, developed and civilized it looks. I think Senegal is supposed to be leading Francophone west Africa and not Ivory coast |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:55am On May 07, 2017 |
vaxx:no offense to ghanains oo but they tend to imitate everything Nigeria does even d bad things . I really don't know y they do that 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:56am On May 07, 2017 |
vaxx:that's becos its not their thing |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 11:56am On May 07, 2017 |
Nowenuse:People dont wanna say it but caste system in India is still operational.Checked a CNN doc on how lower caste groups clean other guys poop an confronted a friend of mine from India but he denied it... For Tanzania Ujamaa thingy worked well for them (brought them together).There is a joke that Tanzanians knows who from which tribe in Kenya but not theirs. But on the other hand it tanked their economy |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 11:57am On May 07, 2017 |
vaxx: Ok. Yes yorubas practice a very liberal form of islam, so they easily convert or leave the religion. The same thing in Nigeria and this is why unfortunately, many Hausas see yoruba muslims as fake or inferior muslims. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nobody: 12:00pm On May 07, 2017 |
mtis:if Nigeria spilts ,it wud be disastrous |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 12:00pm On May 07, 2017 |
uzzyfire: LoL, chill bro. You do not want to take us back to the unfriendly and harsh tone here. Join the train of diplomacy and friendliness here. Let's learn from each other. Comments like these bring back the insults among us. |
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