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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 10:39am On May 11, 2017 |
shofil2011:I think the rates are fair enough even though you could get 4k/day/bricklayer and up to 80blocks/bricklayer/day, but its safer to be conservative. Better to stick with a team that gives you the whole ugly picture at once than the one that will encourage you by giving you unrealistic but lovely affordable scenerios cause they want to get the initial commitment. Also note that except you pay lumpsum/milestone you will normally spend more due to delays caused by rain, civil unrest, materials shortage, etc which might prevent your bricklayers from averaging 70-80bricks/day |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AZUH: 11:25am On May 11, 2017 |
3strikes:see I have been busy preaching the gospel about failed government . Pls vote for me as president of online . Nor ask me watin I mean . I dey practice madness since February oh . |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gbadexy(m): 12:04pm On May 11, 2017 |
44chux:I must admit that the surest bet is to be around or have someone on ground to ensure it is done properly. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 5:17pm On May 11, 2017 |
Hello house. Anybody able to recommend a welder that does steel doors, hand railings for stairs, and railings for balconies, and can deliver to Sango Ota? Thank you |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by toastedbread: 5:42pm On May 11, 2017 |
i am looking for a bricklayer to fence my house (in august), after the rainy season. location is rivers state. quote me if interested. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by tevanso(m): 12:00am On May 12, 2017 |
toastedbread:is ur land water logged area or dry land . |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by DUNKA(m): 5:40am On May 12, 2017 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by toastedbread: 7:07am On May 12, 2017 |
tevanso:dry. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by marylandcakes: 7:11am On May 12, 2017 |
spyder880: Thanks for this very helpful information. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by true2home(m): 1:59pm On May 12, 2017 |
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 3:02pm On May 12, 2017 |
AZUH: If l were you, l will just press that IGNORE Button on newer electronics! Idleness can be punishing like a slow, painful death and clowns are allowed to 'stroke each other'! And about preaching the Gospel..l hope you do not collect Tithe, five times per session or use it on Otobo and Danniella! BTW: I had Email communications with lastpage a few weeks back and he mentioned in passing that he was (his words) 'banned by same foolish MOD" till sometime in September or so" cant remember exactly. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 3:19pm On May 12, 2017 |
shofil2011: Dont negotiate based on Number of Blocks........ that would put you at a serious disadvantage. You can only use that to estimate whether what they charged you, is reasonable or not. If possible, can you not estimate 'on the average', how many block you would require? Do you have a Bill of Quantity for your build? Like said, Bricklayers can mould from 50 to 150 blocks per day, depending on "who benefits"? If it is them, they are wiling to do 150 since you will pay them double daily amount or more. If it is you, they would probably be happy to do 50, since you will stil have to pay them a full day's pay. Just have an idea of how many block it will need, cost it at a minimum of 10 blocks a day and negotiate based on that. Always negotiate the whole Block work in one go, after doing your own home work properly. ordinarily, for places like Ikorodu, per day charge is #2,500 per Bricklayer and labor is #1,500.. There is always an advantage/discount to the Client, when giving out jobs involving a whole building. It should not be charged piecemeal. - And dont forget to 'document' whatever you both agree on, as those people are known to start playing 'games' midway into a big project and denying or reneging on what you agreed to. - Dont over-pay up to any extent of work done: Infact, let at least, 60% of money for work done, be with you at all times otherwise, your work could suffer abandonment, when the bricklayer realizes that he has collected a large chunk of the agreed amount and the work still plenty for ground. - Watch out for Bricklayers that put sancrete blocks inside Concrete Casting, they do these to hasten the work and reduce how much Concrete they have to pour (laziness, but this could have very dangerous structural effect on your build). - Supervise your job properly, by yourself or a trusted person. 'some' Supervisors, despite being paid, still collude with the bricklayer to cheat their Client. Be aware and vigilant. No Eyes can see better, than your own eyes, when it comes to supervising your own project. More grease to your elbow. 5 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 3:31pm On May 12, 2017 |
rabcnesbit: I think it is way too much. Or does it involve materials? A 10ft x 10ft (or 12ft x 12ft wall as the case maybe) wall is considered a day's job, at a day's rate. (#2,500 t0 #3,000) Use this to gauge or estimate what you think is reasonable. But 4 flats of 3Bed house should not be more than 500K....... 700K maximum, if it is a very large building of same configuration. I finished one in the heat of "Dollar ni o", early this year and it was 580K but the supervision, na-die! I wont recommend the Bricklayer to anyone (dishonest, trying to steal materials) 'Location' can vary it by 5- 10%. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Truthinlife: 3:51pm On May 12, 2017 |
bzm7:Check your email. I sent you the info and pictures. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 4:12pm On May 12, 2017 |
Excuzeme: Hello, thanks for the response. It's just labour, no materials included, not even the scaffolding! I have negotiated hard and he agreed to include the exterior in the price as well, so 900k for both interior and exterior. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by spyder880(m): 7:36pm On May 12, 2017 |
Excuzeme: rabcnesbit: When it comes to plastering, I have learnt that it can never be too costly or too cheap, it has a lot to do with the skill set of the guy doing the plastering and the overall quality of work done. A person can charge you N400k and give you the type of horrible work that will give you migrane! You may even need to call police While another can charge 900k on same work and deliver with quality and timeliness. We all need to watch these guys work, else they will put you in serious trouble. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AZUH: 11:58pm On May 12, 2017 |
Excuzeme:what are you talking about ? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by WorldAmbassador: 4:26am On May 13, 2017 |
twinskenny:Thanks for your tip. The house has been plastered inside and out..and it is a rental, so to avoid issues, i'll do surface wiring 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by WorldAmbassador: 4:27am On May 13, 2017 |
rotecch77:Thanks |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by WorldAmbassador: 4:29am On May 13, 2017 |
gbadexy:Thanks @gbadexy. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by WorldAmbassador: 4:31am On May 13, 2017 |
44chux:Thanks. I think i'll either have the electrician remove the socket outlets and switches and put them back after painting, or have the painter mask the outlets or switches. I guess the better option will depend on the cost. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 8:34am On May 13, 2017 |
spyder880: While l agree that different Artisans have different level of competency and skill set, l think there is a minimum standard we all expect from such job (smooth, well-angled where necessary and on time), irrespective of how much the Artisan wants to charge! I think it is always wrong to equate Quality of Work .... to how hefty the Labour Charge will be. It is NOT directly proportional. Greed by some Artisans means they will just be very extortionist while the competency is in question. We have seen many examples of these sort of Greed, among our "Builder/Contractors" in this section..... except for a few who have distinguished themselves while not charging heaven and earth at he same time. @rabcnesbit: Are you telling me that he initially charged you 900K....... without the OUTSIDE PLASTER involved? I am sure the guy sees you as a novice and is taking advantage of you. How can you negotiate outside and inside plaster, separately? Bottom line, it all depends on your power of negotiation. But dont forget to document everything and let him sign his signature (or record the conversation on your phone) and spell out the payment tranches, explicitly. Every Contractor is not Spyder that is honest and has dignity. Experience is always a good teacher. I sense you are not versed in these things and that is the type of person they enjoy cheating. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 8:35am On May 13, 2017 |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 9:12am On May 13, 2017 |
Excuzeme: Thanks for the advice. Yes, he initially quoted them separately, as we were doing the work in stages. Quoted 180k for plastering the decking (inside ceiling), which he has already done and paid. Then 900k for interior and 150k for the exterior, which made no sense to me (ie. the big difference between the labour for interior and exterior). Anyway, we now negotiated to include both the exterior and interior for 900k. On another matter, any idea what I should be looking to pay for scaffolding for the exterior plastering work, as this is not part of the labour for the plastering? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by 44chux(m): 9:13am On May 13, 2017 |
Excuzeme: While the relationship is not necessarily linear, there is always a corolation which is also affected by the quality of work of the previous bricklayers that did the block laying(affects the plaster thickness in some areas if wall is not plum or angled correctly). However being on ground to negotiate and oversee does improve avg quality/$ as opposed to using proxy. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 10:37am On May 13, 2017 |
rabcnesbit:Men how big is this your house, did it include fence in and out? |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 1:24pm On May 13, 2017 |
kopell: No, does not include fence. It's a standard size block of four 3-bedroom flats. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kopell: 3:50pm On May 13, 2017 |
rabcnesbit:OH 4, 3 bedroom apartments. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Excuzeme: 8:10am On May 14, 2017 |
rabcnesbit: So, in total, he quoted 180 + 900 + 150 = #1,230,000 (One Million, Two hundred and thirty thousand Niara... to plaster a Standard Dour Flats! The Lord is good, all the time. Anyway, its all good. But going forward, what you should have done is bargain on ALL PLASTERING WORK for the whole building first, After the price is agreed, you then break the toatl cost down by allocating "cost" to each of the above areas (Decking, Inside, Outside), from the total cost. That Bricklayer don hammer! NB: Inside Plastering, to outside plastering is mostly, usually about ration 3:1. That is, 65% - 75% Cost for Inside and 25% - 35% Cost for outside plastering. Scaffold: You will but the Bamboo yourself (it cost roughly #150 - #200 each), You will buy Binding Wire of about 2-3 Bundles Construction/Erection should be between 30K - 45k, depending on your negotiating power 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 8:22am On May 14, 2017 |
Excuzeme: Why is it so surprising that he paid N1.2m to plaster a four unit of 3 bedroom flat? Don't you think he should bother more about his Job been worth the figure than the figure been that high. Una no want make the guys Chop? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Marilo(m): 9:00am On May 14, 2017 |
skimanski: Skimanski, I don't think the question is about "chopping",it should be about fairness. If it's about chopping everybody and anybody can charge anything and that will be taken hook, line and sinker. How does the owner "chop" if it's about "chopping"?. Again,why isn't there some sort of standard as to pricing. To tell you my experience,I have seen some kind of ridiculous quote that can only make me think/ask "does this guy think I am a fool?". Irrespective of professionalism involved, except there are some differences in materials to be bought, there should be some yardstick to standardise charges so that all parties are fair to one another. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rabcnesbit: 9:08am On May 14, 2017 |
Excuzeme: Thanks for the advice |
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