Splinz:


And where is it written that the dead can intercede for the living?

jnrbayano:


I don't think those two guys will return to this thread with the truth revealing missiles they have received.

Religious pride won't let them accept the truth.

They hate being educated by catholics.

Splinz:


More pitiable is he who thinks in his head that the true Church was ever a part of the Synagogue of Satan. What delusion can be greater than this?

Anyway, for those who don't even know when the New Testament Church was birthed, silly assumptions can't be ruled out.

Uchemus:
iv been follow the post and uv been arguing back nd forth like a retard. They told you they believe no one in Christ is dead nd you are still asking where is it written that the dead can interceed for the level.

bayelsaowei:
have you forgiven their sins..

Reason I asked that question was to know if actually you all have images and molded structures of over 500million catholics round the world and bowing down and asking them to help intercede for all your numerous sins...

I hope your fellow worshipers have images of you and also you having images of them...i hope you all bow down to yourselves and recite mantras to yourselves..

easymancfc:

Again you're wrong...

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the SPIRIT HIMSELF INTERCEDES FOR US with sighs too deep for words.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four ELDERS fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the PRAYERS of THE SAINTS;

rev 8: 3And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; 4 and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God

these verses clearly state that the Holy Spirit, Elders in heaven and Angels play a role in intercession

yahmaid04:
Christianity is bleeped up

Oracle16:



Who are the Saints? Anyone who is a born again is a Saint. I am a Saint.

Splinz:


More pitiable is he who thinks in his head that the true Church was ever a part of the Synagogue of Satan. What delusion can be greater than this?

Anyway, for those who don't even know when the New Testament Church was birthed, silly assumptions can't be ruled out.

Splinz:

Nigeriadondie:

Nairalanders relax I am loading the response to each of the points raised and all the falsehoods would be exposed.

Rich4god:
I bet you, without those crusades, probably by now, you wld have been hitting your head on the ground, five times a day facing Saudi Arabia...

Trueigbo:
Lev 19

19 “‘Keep my decrees.

“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.

“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.


Why are we not obeying these commandments above? Yet protestants accuse catholic of violating ex 20.

Read the bible with clean heart and ask Holy Spirit to explain

Amberon:
Good. I've just been reading and shaking my head. I can't wait for your thread. Pls CC me when done.

LogicStatement:
Q1. Why do Catholics bow to images in the church?
A: Catholics do not bow to images in order to worship them. In fact, it is condemned by God. Ex 20: 1-5 "Then God spoke all these words: I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,b out of the house of slavery.
You shall not have other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself an idolc or a likeness of anything* in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or serve them.d For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their ancestors’ wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation."
But in Numbers 21: 4-9, God asked Moses to make a bronze image of a snake to save the people of Isreal. "They traveled from Mount Hor along the route to the Red Sea,[a] to go around Edom. But the people grew impatient on the way; 5 they spoke against God and against Moses, and said, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? There is no bread! There is no water! And we detest this miserable food!” 6 Then the Lord sent venomous snakes among them; they bit the people and many Israelites died. 7 The people came to Moses and said, “We sinned when we spoke against the Lord and against you. Pray that the Lord will take the snakes away from us.” So Moses prayed for the people. 8 The Lord said to Moses, “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze snake and put it up on a pole. Then when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake, they lived."

Now, would you say that God who instructed us not to make images in Genesis is the one instructing Moses in Numbers to make an image of a serpent? Can God contradict Himself? Absolutely not! God did not say images should not be made, but He is against worshiping such images. Therefore, it is imperative to note that God is not against the making of image but against the act of worshiping them. We all have images (pictures or sculptures) in our homes and offices hung on our walls or placed in the house but do we worship them? I doubt! We put them there for beautification, honour and remembrance. Example is the statue of Herbert Macaulay on the Island in Lagos. That statue is not made there for worship but for remembrance and honour and also, it beautifies the area.
Therefore, making of an image is not a sin in itself but worshiping them and acknowledging them the status of God is a sin for God is a jealous God.

Q2: Why does the Catholic Bible have 73 books, while the Protestant Bible has only 66 books?
The Catholic is the church that compiled the bible in about 367 AD when St. Athanasius came up with a list of 73 books for the Bible that he believed to be divinely inspired. This list was finally approved by Pope Damasus I in 382 AD, and was formally approved by the Church Council of Rome in that same year. Later Councils at Hippo (393 AD) and Carthage (397 AD) ratified this list of 73 books. In 405 AD, Pope Innocent I wrote a letter to the Bishop of Toulouse reaffirming this canon of 73 books. In 419 AD, the Council of Carthage reaffirmed this list, which Pope Boniface agreed to. In 16th century, Martin Luther discarded with some books in the bible which he believed does not conform with his own view of theology. Initially, he disagreed with 7 books in the Old Testament which are Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees, as well as additional verses of Daniel and Esther. These books are called the “deuterocanon”, or second canon, by Catholics, and the “apocrypha”, or hidden/obscure, by Protestants (Christians who protest against the Catholic Church) and also, some books in the New Testament which include James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation. He actually said that he wanted to “throw Jimmy into the fire”, and that the book of James was “an epistle of straw.” What is strange is that Luther eventually accepted all 27 books of the New Testament that the Catholic Pope Damasus I had approved of in 382 AD, but didn’t accept his Old Testament list. Hence, the 66 books in the Protestant's bible and the foremost of them is King James version which was first compiled by Martin Luther with the help of King Henry VIII in year 1081. Martin Luther was excommunicated by the church for his rebellious act against the body of Christ and for re-inventing his own bible.
This topic is well explained in this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3782829/why-catholic-church-bible-different

Q3: Why do Priests wear different colours of vestments for different occasions
A: The priest wears 5 different colours of vestment during the celebration of Holy Mass depending on the occasion or feast. These vestments are:
Red Vestment: This is worn to celebrate a saint who was killed or martyred.
White Vestment: This signifies purity. It is worn to celebrate Holy Mass during the feat of a saint who died natural death, for virgin Mary's day and also, to signify the holiness of Jesus Christ.
Purple Vestment: Purple signifies royalty and therefore, it is worn during advent (starting 4 weeks to Christmas) in preparation to coming of the King of kings- Jesus Christ.
Gold Vestment: This is worn during the celebration of the church e.g. Golden jubilee, anniversaries etc
Green Vestment: This is worn during ordinary time. Green signifies life.

Q4: Why do Catholics honour Mary?
A: Catholics honour Mary because of the position she occupies in the life of Christ, Christians and importantly, the special grace and favour bestowed upon her by God himself. Jn 19: 25-27 tells us how Jesus on the cross handed over Mary to the disciple He loved to be his mother. The disciple at that moment represented Christians whom Christ loves and handed over his mother to be our mother also. It is logical that the mother of your mentor is your mother also and so, you accord her same respect and honour your mentor will accord her as well. Gen 3:16, Rev 12: 1-7 and Is 7:10 show how God acknowledges the importance of Mary to mankind and thus bestow upon her the highest favour given to any man before or after her. Lk 1: 26-38; 40-42 tells us how angel Gabriel conveyed the mind of God to Mary revealing to her how much favour God has bestowed upon her thus saying to her "hail Mary, full of grace..." and also the greetings of her cousin Elizabeth, "Of all women, you are the most blessed." This greeting was not from Elizabeth herself but inspired by the Spirit of God which through the confirmation she got when the baby in her womb leapt for joy on sighting Mary. These greetings gladdens Mary heart (Lk 2:19). It should be noted that act of honour should not be mistaken for worship. Catholics do not worship Mary because she is NOT God and will never be. The church honours her in a similar way we honour our biological mothers (though in a special way because of the special grace she carries). In Ex 20:12, God asks us to honour our father and mother.

Q5: Does Mary have other Children?
Mary had no other children apart from Jesus. If Mary had other children, Jesus would not have asked the disciple to take Mary home and care for her if not, other children of hers would have been able to do that. Would it not be a slap on the faces of other children that an outsider would take their mother home to take care when they are still alive? Also, Lk 2:41-49 tells us how Jesus was forgotten in the temple by his parents and later found him in the temple preaching after searching for him for 3 days. "Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.” Jesus was 12 years old during this time, and if he had other siblings, would Joseph and Mary left them behind to go to Jerusalem only with Jesus since it is the custom to go with all members of the family? In Matt 12:46, it is written that Jesus's mother and brothers were waiting outside anxious to have a word with him. Does that mean Jesus had other siblings? The first recorded argument was between St. Jerome and another fourth-century theologian, Helvidius, who had written that after the virgin birth of Jesus, Mary had other children with her husband, Joseph. St. Jerome disagreed, indicating that by the fourth century at least some of the church community believed that Mary had stayed a virgin for the rest of her life. These children of Mary, Jerome said, were from Mary of Clopas, Jesus’ aunt and his mother’s sister, making them cousins. He claimed that the Greek word "adelphios" could refer to cousins, not just biological siblings. Same way in Yoruba language, "cousin" has no word instead "aburo" or "egbon" can be used for a biological sibling or relative. Also, if Jesus had sibling, they would have been present during his crucifixion with Mary. In John 19:25, where she is among the women present at the Crucifixion of Jesus: "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, Mary and His mother's sister, Mary [the wife] of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene." Note that Jesus' mother's sister is also called Mary in this passage but can two biological sisters called the same name within a nuclear family? That proves that Mary the wife of Clopas is not the biological sister of Mary mother of Jesus but a relative because in Greek from where English bible is translated from has no word for cousin or aunt or uncle but once they are related are called brothers or sisters.

Q6: Why do Catholics don't pray for the death of their enemy or curse them but rather, pray for their conversion?
A: In Matt 5: 43-45, Jesus instructs us to love our enemies and pray for those who hate us. 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Act 7:55-60, 1Pt 3:8 and 1Cor 3:17 state this fact as well for there is rejoice among the angels of God when a sinner repents (Lk: 15:10)

Q7: Is drinking a sin?
A: Drinking is not a sin, rather getting drunk is a sin (Ep 5:18). Jesus turned water to wine (Jn 2: 1-12). 1Tim 3:8 "In the same way, deacons[b] are to be worthy of respect, sincere, not indulging in much wine, and not pursuing dishonest gain." This shows that drinking of wine is not sin in itself but getting drunk by drinking much of it is sin. Jesus took wine when he was offered vinegar while on the cross (Matt 27: 48). If drinking was a sin, He wouldn't have accepted it. Vinegar wine contains 5-20% acetic acid; 5-8% alcohol. Wine is taken in heaven as well (Matt 26: 26-29).

Abrahamperkins22:
only if the bible was real,GOD will indeed protect it words from unscrupulous addition and subtraction..... #kiss the truth

Splinz:


Who is a protestant? Where is the insult and the superior argument?

Seems you're a starter in this forum. I'd advice you to go for more studies. At least learn better ways of twisting Scriptures to somehow support your idolatry.

Your outing here is nothing but a disaster. Such wicked butchering of the truths!

Nattybeauty:
LEAVE CATHOLICS ALONE !!!!!
Am not a catholic neither is there anything that
will make me a catholic even in the nearest future,
but it high time we call a spade a spade
LEAVE CATHOLICS ALONE!!!
I stumbled upon a pamphlet from one of these new
generation churches that refused to mention its
name, they
only dropped a phone number and tagged it "SMS
ONLY". It
said "REASON WHY NO CATHOLIC HAS ENTERED
HEAVEN"
My question after reading the antagonistic writeup
was "who
is chasing the wind"
Have you ever asked yourself why the Catholic
church never
advertises itself or any of her branches or outlets
but yet has
the highest number of Christians as a
denomination?
You question the authority of the Catholic church -
you called
it a "demonic gathering" but there is a backing
that Christ
Himself set up this Church you now call a
'demonic gathering'
Read Matt 16:13 - 20. Not even the gate of hell
shall prevail
over it.
Why has the attention of all churches/ministries
turned
towards the 'Catholic Church'. Everyone is fighting
the
Catholic church instead of sin which is the arc
enemy to your
salvation
You say they worship Mary and believe in idols for
protection
and yet you stick the picture of your pastor to your
cars and
door post as a sign of what You have believed
so much in
the power of the enemy of you that your prayer
points are
always about the enemy. Why carry a handkerchief
about in
the name of a mantle; thinking you will find more
favour? Who
ever told you a church sticker will be a saving
grace from
your enemies
You say Mary has no place in heaven; yes I'll
agree with you if
you answer my question, have you searched
through the
whole bible and not found her place in creation
I bet your
answer will be a lopsided yes. But my advice read
again.
You say that Catholics don't read the bible but I
still don't get
this point. Is it that they don't read the bible at all
or they don't
read and preach about 'The Miracle Working God'.
There's a
difference between reading the bible objective and
also
reading the bible subjectively. They read every
portion of the
bible, every nook and cranny of the bible. From the
old
testament, through the psalms, to the new
testament. If you
feel they don't read the 'favouritic' parts of the
bible, please
don't hang yourself, they have chosen what is right
by avoiding
to hide the truths of human existence in this
temporary
dwelling place.
"The teachings of the Catholic church are too hard"
so you go
to where you ears will find it easy to take. Well,
never forget
Luke 20: 45 - 47 and Luke 21: 34 - 36. The
catholic church's
teachings are the teaching of Jesus Himself. Christ
never
foretold any enjoyment or pleasure while here on
earth. He only
promised life eternal and joy everlasting in the
kingdom of
God. Where then do your preachers get their
teachings of
favor from Read what Jesus said in Mark 8: 31 -
38
On Sunday the 14th of April 2016, I heard a
preacher while in
a church service; saying to his members and I
quote him: "I
want you to unleash your holy anger and pray....".
Please
read Matt. 5: 21 - 26 and tell me what aspect of
anger is
holy.
Catholics don't pray; oh yes because they have
chosen to adopt
the bible standard of praying. Once I heard
someone say "
catholics need to understand the art of praying
violently". I
laugh. Read what the bible teaches about prayer in
Matt. 6: 5
- 15
Finally, I want to advocate that you leave catholics
alone.
They have never come out to criticize any
denomination so I
wonder why every denomination is against them.
All of these
new age shops you call ministries stemmed from
the catholic
church. If you need to draw people to God, go to
where the
gospel of Christ Jesus has not reached and
evangelize there.
Stop feeding on the work of others.
If you must judge for God, read what the bible says
in Matt. 7:
1 - 6. Whether Catholics have never and will never
make it to
heaven or not, it is not your business. Focus on
'your' salvation
and ensure you make heaven which you claim
belongs to non
catholics.
# Respect4Catholics # Respect4God and
# Respect4Christains .

LogicStatement:

Thank you very much for this. It seems they do not understand what an image is. They castigate Catholics for having images yet, they have images of their General Overseers and pastors in their homes, offices, cars etc. Some of them have these images worn as apron, cloths & as wristbands believing that wearing them will secure their lives & bring blessings to them. I see videos of their testimonies on YouTube about this, so it's not something I cook up but fact.
Jesus saw this division in the faith and He prayed for the church when He said in Jn 17:21 "I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me."

kabasa77:


Intercession can mean praying for someone, it can also mean standing in the gap on behalf of another, in the case of Jesus, he is the only one that is qualified to beg God on our behalf because the Bible says if we sin we have an advocate Jesus, not Mary not the Saints in heaven, the bible is clear, and Paul was talking to Christains on Earth, in Heaven you don't have the right to intercede for anyone except Jesus, the Bible is very clear on that and I hate repeating myself.. If you don't want to accept
the truth, it's your call..

Uchemus:
dude, you are a disgrace to christendom, coz of a typo you called someone a lunatic. Its nonentities like you that'll wake up one day from their useless sleep and open a supposed church claiming the lord spoke to them. Anyway, you are a mere prostestant.

Empredboy:
why do you seek for your pastor's blessing? Since u don't need any intercessor except Christ?

easymancfc:


INDEED.. WE BELIEVE ALL CHRISTIANS ARE SAINTS, BUT ONLY THOSE WHO ARE IN HEAVEN CAN EXCLUSIVELY CLAIM THE TITLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE CROWN OF GLORY, BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS CAN BACKSLIDE OR FALL AWAY AND NO LONGER BE SAINTS BUT APOSTATES AND SINNERS BUT THOSE IN HEAVEN CANNOT.. unless you believe in OSAS

WE BELIEVE THERE ARE SAINTS IN HEAVEN AND SAINTS ON EARTH..


Rev 14 vs 12
Saints are not dead people
They are living people
Who abides with the unchangeable word of God

Read your bible more

Shafiiimran99:
Jesus did not ask anybody to accept him as lord or saviour