AlvanT:
Ignorance breeds fear which in turn breeds hate,ignorance is a fertile ground for insecurity,it waters the ego on the contrary knowledge breeds light,love,tolerance and understanding.Haven't you wondered why our top religious leaders wine and dine together,e.g christian and islamic clerics,okay you watch on the news about how Pope Francis frequents the middle east but we can't say the same for our grassroot religious institution members,go to the core North and scream "Jesus is Lord" and risk being stoned to death.The more people are exposed to the truth they become less uncertain and hostile.If this top tier leaders can expose thier flock to the truth and not use them as pawns for control.

Respect55:

If God be the beginning like u said , How den did dat 'beginning' begin?

ilynem:

That's the issue. That beginning has no beginning because it is outside time which was created by God.

Respect55:
There can't be an existence without a beginning. For a thing to be, it must have STARTED to exist

alanka:
symptoms of evil is when people are very sure of no answer either bablically or scientifically but you want to use all means to drag them to say or do what they don't want to.

If you check nairaland, threads like this are many what ended the thread? Insult, abuse, threat...at the end they did not get anything out of it but being banned.

Now you came with it they said no, you just want to force into issue that had been discussed almost every year, which I am very sure you know.

Now if I say i created God will you accept? If I say nature created God will you accept? If I say God created God will you accept? You will want me to tell you how do I know? If I now say I was there when God created God will it sound good to you? No.

But if you will accept any of above options then you should is your cup of tea. All will again end up to be argument, insult, abuse, thread just as the other ones went.

If science says this earth is 8 billion years old and the oldest man on earth is less than 200 years it means no man on earth was able to see, or talk to people who lived 500 years ago but you want them to tell you who created God.

If God created a property that worth 8 billion years old and the highest age of the occupant is 150 years is it not a sign of madness for a 150 years old man to be asking another 150 years old man who created God that created world that is 8 billion years

ilynem:

It must have started. Based on time, right?

ilynem:

That's the issue. That beginning has no beginning because it is outside time which was created by God.

Respect55:

Something of that nature. At an instant.

Respect55:

So what do u call that period that is outside the time that God created

Respect55:

I still stand my ground that the allow theirselves to be used in the first place. U don't swallow all u r taught hook and sinker. That's Why we are rational beings. There will always be grounds for thought after bn taught.

ilynem:

So how will you describe the person who created time?

Respect55:

I'm not after the person who to you, created time but how He came to be

Respect55:

U said that it is quite difficult to grasp the concept of God but also claim that He has no beginning nor end. Isn't that contradictory to your stand of difficulty in knowing him because it holds that u have known him already?

What I'm asking here is this: the fact that He exists presupposes that He must have began to exist somewhere sometime. How come His existence is the puzzle

ElsonMorali:


No it's not contradictory.

That you don't know God fully doesn't mean you can't know a little about him.

There are aspects, revealed to man That we know about him.

He is a Mystery who's depth can not be fathomed by even the most brilliant of created mind, human or angelic. The day you know your Creator fully is the day you become his equal.

Proof of his existence is buried in our own existence.

There was a time there was nothing, yet God existed even then. Otherwise, you'd ask, who started everything off anyway.

ilynem:

You still have a flawed knowledge of what God is. So if someone created God, then why is He worth worshiping since he was created like the rest of us? Before there was time, space and matter, there was nothing.

AlvanT:
My guy my definition of intelligence is the 'measure of curiosity'...atheism is on the rise in Nigeria because things are falling apart,the so called church cannot quench the thirst of our youth nowadays,so they're seeking answers elsewhere.It was in my quest for the truth that I knew that Religion personified God,the Universal law is love which Jesus commanded "love your neighbor as yourself".The cosmic God does not give a damn how you leave your life,just do good to your fellow man and let love lead the way.Be careful of anyone telling you "God wants this or that"..."Satan wants this or
that",check well it is them that actually want it,man can manifest himself either as God or Devil because they are both different sides of the same coin.You get my drift?

ilynem:

I have no idea. The question was who created God. And my answer is that someone who isn't limited by time, space and matter can't be created and that person is God

ilynem:

So how will you describe the person who created time?

Respect55:

My brother, there is more to life than we think we know.

ilynem:

You say there is more to life. I say there is more to God. If we can fit God in our tiny Brain then He isnt worth worshiping.

Respect55:

I luv ur conclusion and the question itself. Who started things ab-initio including God Himself?

adepeter26:
I like this Respect55..... He maintained the purpose for the thread without entertaining derailment..... And yet nobody(THEISTS) could give an answer to the question

Respect55:
There can't be an existence without a beginning. For a thing to be, it must have STARTED to exist

LiberaDeus:


How come you not only have fixed him into your tiny brain, you have fixed him into a book with 66 sub books.

You religious people claim to know god, his name, what he said to create the world, the will of god, the name of his son and even his plans for the future. You also claim to know his preferences.

Please how did you fit all that into your tiny brain and how did the miilions and billions of religious people fit all that into their tiny brains and please dont tell me it was revealed.

ElsonMorali:


You probably didn't read my response.

The answer is nobody.

It is a very simple answer But one that is complicated for atheists.

Respect55:

I just did and with the little I was able to grasp, made reference to God as that which has been from the very beginning. Now, who began that beginning?

Respect55:

Are u in any way saying that one can't strive to know that which have existed before his existence? Why den do we study history? I'm not trying to drag anybody into what he or she should avoid. I dnt know why it is hard for u to understand this

alanka:
can strive to know anything you want in life but don't let it hang on others, don't let it cost anyone, researches do not have limitation it goes on as far as you exists.

Especially when it costs troubles, fights...intelligent people when they get to a place they passive the environment well before action

Make research, don't hang it on anyone here so somebody does say what he does not want to say. My brother, making an inquiry is not tantamount to hanging one's problem on others. Come to think of it, why are u pleading on their behalf? Nobody else is complaining but u.

If also you are a good reader, an intellectual, you would have seen that I did not in anyway say someone should make findings.

adepeter26:

No body created god, but god created somebody? Is this logic?

Zita55:


I believe, the answers are mystery.....

ElsonMorali:


Logic does not apply to God.

That's simple, basic and elementary Theology.

To God, 1+1+1=1

To God, "a thousand years is just like an evening gone".

Pride and arrogance is what makes us think we should be able to plunge the depths of he who created us.