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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 10:44am On May 22, 2017
allrightsir:

firstly what is the purpose of the Army? ....In Nigeria everything may have been bastardized but the Military exists to protect the civilians..lets not forget that is their whole purpose of existence. Secondly is the president who is the commander in chief of the Armed Forces not a civilian?

With that in mind, this is the military hierachy

President and commander in chief
Minister of defence
chief of defense Staff
chiefs of Army,Navy, Airforce.
What of minister of state for defence and the national security adviser?
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 10:45am On May 22, 2017
badoh:
Good day,
kindly enlighten me on the more superior position between Chief of defense staff and Chief of Army staff in the Nigeria settings.
It seems the Chief of Defence staff do not get much public attention compared to the Chief of Army staff .The COAS reports to the CDS the CDS reports to the minister of defence while the minister of defence reports to the president,thats the norm but bcause of tribalism in nigeria the COAS may go directly to the president without consulting the CDS.
Private moore
22 armourd brigade sobi baracks,kwara state.
What are the expected roles of the two Military Chiefs?
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Shoboy6h: 10:47am On May 22, 2017
Na draw face you go take know.. One soft, one strong. Lol
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Shoboy6h: 10:47am On May 22, 2017
Na d face you go take know.. One soft, one strong. Lol

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Allwility: 10:48am On May 22, 2017
ehissi:


This is totally misleading, in short, it is complete hogwash........ undecided

It's like saying AOC Training command is just there, while the commander of 330 NAF Station na D koko..... angry

Are you even living in this country? undecided


You say joint operations in this country is rare? undecided

Chief of Defence Staff cannot tell Chief of Army Staff what to do at any given time!? undecided

You say Chief of Army Staff is more powerful within the army than Chief of Defence Staff? undecided

Chairman, in short the whole Nairaland, disregard in entirety what was said here. This is the typical talk you hear from politicians who know nothing about the Nigerian military.

In all things, the Chief of Defence Staff is the Koko. It is even worse when the CDS and COAS are from the same Military force, na close marking COAS go dey collect.

CDS can even recommend COAS for instant retirement for your information, don't allow pant to be wearing you there Ooooh.

No foolish Chief of Army Staff will near Mr President or Minister of Defence or NSA etc for any type of briefing without first calling Chief of Defence Staff, except he wants to terminate his career..... angry

Chief of Army Staff dey mad? Them never born that kin Chief of Army staff yet......Not even for Hollywood movie, not to even talk of Nollywood....... angry

For your information, if C-in-C even give an order now, Chief of Defence Staff can use his influence and give a counter - order to Chief of Army Staff - provided C-in-C is not on ground as at that time - and Chief of Army Staff will double up and perform it........ angry

Abi you never hear of "Obey the Last Order" before for your life. Make Chief of Army Staff no try himself, except him wan die. Him father yansh there......... angry

A 4 star officer will be on ground in the earth - even if no be Nigeria E dey, so long as he is not 6ft below the ground - and common Chief of Army Staff who is just one of the 3 service chiefs will go and be seeing C-in-C without notifying him first............ angry


I laugh in Blanket putty........... cheesy grin cheesy


Guy, which regular you be?? angry grin
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by theSpark(m): 10:49am On May 22, 2017
allrightsir:

firstly what is the purpose of the Army? ....In Nigeria everything may have been bastardized but the Military exists to protect the civilians..lets not forget that is their whole purpose of existence. Secondly is the president who is the commander in chief of the Armed Forces not a civilian?

With that in mind, this is the military hierachy

President and commander in chief
Minister of defence
chief of defense Staff
chiefs of Army,Navy, Airforce.
You're quite right

NNAMDIIIpost=56760056:
Minister of defence was once a General in the army! After the President is the minister of defence followed by Chief of defence

Can the minister order deployments or muster troops? Just asking
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 10:50am On May 22, 2017
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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by PeaceGord: 10:54am On May 22, 2017
dingbang:
lol thanks... Its just the truth sha... A good man would admit it.

Well I am doing fine ...and you?


We good.

Have a great week ahead.
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 10:54am On May 22, 2017
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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 10:56am On May 22, 2017
allrightsir:


Minister of state is a deputy to the Minister of defense

NSA is an adviser to the president
Can the minister of defence or minister of state for defence deploy troops? Also, can the National security advisor take orders from the COAS or CDS?

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by orisa37: 10:56am On May 22, 2017
The Chief of Defence staff is superior. He's the overall Boss of The Chief of Army, Air force and Navy. He's next in Rank to The C in C of The Armed forces.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Odeyinigbin(m): 10:58am On May 22, 2017
lenghtinny:
The chief of defense staff is the man behind the curtain....

The CDS is superior



Very superior!!!
God bless u jare
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by banmee(m): 11:01am On May 22, 2017
bedspread:
CDS IS SENIOR IN RANK

BUT THE CDS NA CEREMONIAL POST

CAS COMMANDS MORE TROOP.

IN THE REAL SENSE PMB WILL RATHER KEEP BURATAI AS CAS THAN MAKE HIM CDS

Na who tell you that one? Well, maybe in Nigeria sha.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by gabng(m): 11:02am On May 22, 2017
Eaa247:
chief of defence staff is superior. in USA its calld defence secretary or secretary of defence

Just because you want to answer you end up spewing rubbish.

The CDS is equivalent to the US Chairman, Joint Chief's.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:04am On May 22, 2017
awillabo:
The CDS and the COAS both don't have operational control of the army.


Go get your facts rite. The operational control rest in the brigade commanders and unit commanders...


The CDS is a more superior Officer. He is assited by all other service chiefs.
It is the CDS duty to formulate policies and execute them..

All service chiefs report to the CDS.


The third pic is from nigerias defense ministry website.

Thank You my brother, the reason why this is not that case now is because CDS is a Yoruba man while COAS is a Fulani Oligarchy
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:05am On May 22, 2017
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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by vislabraye(m): 11:07am On May 22, 2017
obinoral1179:
CDS is more of a coordinator of the 3 armed Forces whereas COAS is the sole coordinator of the ARMY...... In terms of rank CDS comes first cause he is a 4 star general while the rest are 3 star general.

Yeh, CDS should be higher. But in Buhari's government, anything can happen.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by ndidibabe(f): 11:09am On May 22, 2017
dingbang:
Because the CDC is not corrupt like the COAS that's why he doesn't get much public attention...


This is so dumb!!
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:09am On May 22, 2017
orisa37:
The Chief of Defence staff is superior. He's the overall Boss of The Chief of Army, Air force and Navy. He's next in Rank to The C in C of The Armed forces.
Minister of defence is more superior to the chief of defence staff

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:12am On May 22, 2017
arrestdarrester:


Wrong! Absolutely wrong!!

Defence is more than Military. Go check your facts NOW.

Police is not part of Armed forces ( Military), but IGP is part of security chiefs

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Ultimategeneral: 11:14am On May 22, 2017
bt did u know that the cds cant even remove the coas in Nigeria so which of them is more powerful
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Longman6(m): 11:20am On May 22, 2017
TonyeBarcanista:
All over the world the army chief is more powerful than the defence chief within yje Army.

With all due respect, i would suggest you dont make universal statements based on assumptions, how can you say all over the world, let take the United states as a case study here, it might interest you to know that no member of the Armed forces holds an ounce of power within the united states, infact the director of the FBI has more power than the chief of the Army within the United states, out side the united states the Navy, Airforce and the Marine wield much more power than Army, you can never hear a United state president boast of the strength of his army, because America hardly puts foots on the ground even when they do so they use the Navy seals. Surface to say the Chief of Army staff in the United states has at least 10 other generals who share the same rank with him, you would always hear things like commander of the pacific region, Nato Commander etc.

To the question, the Chief of defense staff wields more power than the chief of Army staff can ever think of having based on the fact that the Army/military runs on a chain of command, although in reality both of them are simply ceremonial positions as they are appointees of the government who inturn report to the National security Adviser, in the US the NSA is the alpha and omega of the nations security/millitary concerns, followed closely by the director of the CIA and FBI, the armed forces just carries out operational roles.

someone mentioned that Brutai can stop a coup plot, lead a coup...i just laughed, historically no general or high ranking millitary officer has ever ploted a succesful coup( i dont mean the yeye coup that brought Buhari into power or those palace coups) by coup i mean the coup lead by Kaduna Nzeogu who was a Major that used less than 50 men to bring the first republic to an end, let me inform you that to plot a successful coup in Nigeria today just need to go pass the presidential guard and arrest the president and Vice president thats all.Brutai would start running for his life, The chief of Army staff that could not not pass an high way in Kaduna... You just need a young and influential captain in the presidential guard to lead a successful coup. , Gadaffi, Rawlings and that Gambia guy did it less than 50 men with guns.

Again, we had better start praying against external aggression because the Nigeria Armed forces has no millitray might that can stop anything serious, the best thing they can do is peace keeping, and fighting Boko haram, before Buhari came into power Boko-haram had superior military power than the Nigeria Armed forces, the DSS and NIA intelligence gathering skills is Zero imagine the DSS going after a pastor and they cant stop a boko haram attack before it happens...

In conclusion, till we have a National Security Adviser who is super intelligent and not just an Ex millitary officer, the Nigeria Millitary is a joke asides beating innocent civilians.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:22am On May 22, 2017
What I have learnt is that, in the force / service. Everybody has an oga. No matter who you are or how powerful people see you

The only person that does not have a boss is the president and that is the benefit of being a president.

The Commissioner of Police has a boss

The IGP also has a boss. (Minister of police affairs/Interior

The Chief of defence staff is definitely more superior, in fact, very superior to the Chief of Army staff.

Though they can both report directly to the president if the need arises, but they know who their bosses are.

The chief of defence staff also has a boss who is the minister of defense.

So you see it, the chain continues.

e.g I have a friend whose Father is a Deputy commissioner of police. If you see this man, very fearful, strict and command lots of respect that you will think he is the overall head of police.

But in the midst of the AIGs, DIGs, he mellows down and humbles himself as they are his bosses and can Bleep him up at any time.

By the way, INFLUENCE is totally different from SUPERIORITY!

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by goaldynboy: 11:25am On May 22, 2017
Nkem4040:


The army is only powerful because we are on land. If we all lived in the ocean or water, I assure you, the Navy will be the ones running the show including plotting coups. Likewise, if we all lived in the air, the Airforce will be in charge.

More Nigerians live in air and water, if you don't know! grin grin grin
Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by TonyeBarcanista(m): 11:34am On May 22, 2017
Alexkene:
Please, who is the current minister of police affairs? And who is more superior in the chairman of the police service commission, IGP, and minister of police affairs ?
The Police Affairs ministry is merged with Interior ministry under this government. Gen Abdukrahman Dambazzau is the minister.

The Minister is superior to them all.

The Chairman, PSC has no control over IGP. His office though is in charge of discipline and promotion(he recommends to IGP) of all Senior Police Officers except IGP.

The IGP being the CEO is the Oga patapata of Police force but administratively he is is supervised by the minister.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by jpphilips(m): 11:34am On May 22, 2017
Eaa247:
chief of defence staff is superior. in USA its calld defence secretary or secretary of defence

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Defense secretary of the United States is our Minister for defence while our CDS is their chairman joint chiefs.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by AreaFada2: 11:35am On May 22, 2017
bedspread:
U ARE A JOKER..... HAVE U EVER THOUGHT WHY GEJ DIDNT TAKE AWAY GEN. IHEJIRIKA FROM THE COAS POST THROUGH OUT HIS TENURE??

THE CDS MIGHT BE SENIOR IN RANK TO THE COAS BUT THE POST OF THE COAS IS MORE SENSITIVE AND IMPORTANT THAN THE CDS.

It is just that the army have chiefly being the coup plotters in 9ja history. By virtue of Army hierarchy in our defense forces and their strategic locations, numbers and weapons they have.

Kaduna Nzeogwu & colleagues, Murtala Mohamed, Dimka, Buhari, IBB, Abacha, John Shagaya, Dongoyaro and others have all been army officers.
So COAS is more sensitive strategically & security wise.

CDS is superior in administrative hierarchy. But 9ja's peculiar system makes it possible to render him somewhat ceremonial depending on the whims & caprices of the C-in-C.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by IFELEKE(m): 11:35am On May 22, 2017
Constitutionally, the CDS is superior to the COAS in rank, power and influence but series of politicisation, ethnic bias and nepotism has bastardized the military hence various arguments for and against...
The president or the C in C directly or indirectly determines who yields more power/influence.
That's the present reality we face in this country.

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:36am On May 22, 2017
The CDS is more superior than the COAS, but because the COAS is from the North, he get mouth pass the CDS, 2ndly the CDS is oga patapata so he would designate activities to the COAS

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Re: Chief Of Defence Staff Vs Chief Of Army Staff: Which Position Is More Superior? by Nobody: 11:37am On May 22, 2017
ehissi:


I tire for them oooh! shocked

They go just dey talk, E go just dey sweet them! For inside Mad man Job.......... undecided

They think say this wan na Fani Kayode vs Reno Omokri or PDP vs APC or Barcelona vs Real Madrid! tongue

Them no know the difference between "The Standard" and "The General Idea"............. cheesy grin

I learn from ur contribution sir especially this... "The standard" and "General Idea".
If u are here right now, I would have given u a very nice salute.
I sure know that u are not a civilian, and if u are then u must be a 'FirstCivi' (First Civilian) that's American term for Retired Military men. Thanks for not holding back ur knowledge.

Now I better double up back to my Radio Silence.

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