analice107:

You are denying it? Even here right now you have repeated it. Why do you lie like this?

all you need do is quote where I said those exact words, its that simple

Hopefullandlord, this is the third thread we are having this discussion and you taking the stance you are taking now, yet you want to blatantly lie?

refer above

You have always brought up the animals being gay as a basis for humans to be.

Biko gawa.

nope, I use it as "one of the basis" that's NOT the basis

I think that is the confusion here

BTW below is the post

I remember you saying since animals are gay, it's okay for you to be gay. You Even went on to say incest wasn't wrong.

show me where I made such a claim, its simple

analice107:

Which of the Jesus of Nazareth's? Jesus Of Nazareth journeyed to where, Caro mia? Pls sweet heart keep Jesus out of this filth biko.

Mia Cara, I think you misunderstand. Here is what I wrote:

"we have to come forward in time to around 6BCE around when Jesus of Nazareth was born and journey to the Greek island of Lesbos"

Historically the birth of Jesus is placed somewhere around 4BCE roughly, I simply illustrated a time scale from the time of Plato (427BCE) to Sappho (6BCE) who resided on the Greek island of Lesbos.

kevoh:

We all know the above is dead on arrival. There are many instances of kids even pastors kids who are well trained and turn out bad. So what will you do if after all the training and prayers, your child still turns out a homosexual?


The answer is already in your question. They have consented to it, irrespective of my opinion on incest.

Kevoh, most pastor's kids are worst because they are seriously neglected by their parents and it didn't start today.

Eli's Sons in the Bible turned out "Son of Belial" because their Father was too preoccupied with the Temples duties to train them in the way of the Lord. And, the case hasn't changed till today.
I know a pastor's only Child and son, who was sent to school abroad. he comes back breading his hair and badly sagging his pants. There's no any iota of Christianity in him.

You don't look at pastors kids and judge good up bringing.

There's no child who is raised well turns out wayward.

Pastafarian:


I object totally

you need to speak for yourself, there's apparently no "confusion" when they're having their homosexual act, if there was they wouldn't be homo bro, I mean is it that they intentionally chose " confusion "?

I think the mistake you're making is that you're looking at this from your own perspective and making conjecture about how their sex would look like

heterosexuals can also have anal sex

I agree that they can't get pregnant and have children but if that's what they want they can always do ivf and other options

How can they do rhis ivf pls?
Don't you need sperms and ovary to do an ivf?

Pastafarian:


nope, they don't necessarily need to have it together, there's ivf and other options if they want babies

Explain IVF, maybe it's different from the one i know.

We live in a perverted world where even pedophiles think their desires are only natural and should be accepted in the society... May God help us

Pastafarian:


still, no article surfaces

You were in that thread, you did your best as always to rubbish it. It's really unfortunate really.

Sarassin:


Mia Cara, I think you misunderstand. Here is what I wrote:

"we have to come forward in time to around 6BCE around when Jesus of Nazareth was born and journey to the Greek island of Lesbos"

Historically the birth of Jesus is placed somewhere around 4BCE roughly, I simply illustrated a time scale from the time of Plato (427BCE) to Sappho (6BCE) who resided on the Greek island of Lesbos.

Okay dear.

analice107:

You were in that thread, you did your best as always to rubbish it. It's really unfortunate really.

whatever it is i rubbished is worth rubbishing

analice107:
Explain IVF, maybe it's different from the one i know.

they can use a surrogate

Pastafarian:


they can use a surrogate

You mean the males homosexuals will use a male or female surrogate?

Hmmm, this guy. If the males or females homos are kept separate, where will they find a surrogate from? Shey it's okay to be gay? why not be to the fullest?

Pastafarian:

whatever it is i rubbished is worth rubbishing

Being your normal self nah.
Not entirely your fault anyways.

analice107:

You mean the males homosexuals will use a male or female surrogate?

Hmmm, this guy. If the males or females homos are kept separate, where will they find a surrogate from? Shey it's okay to be gay? why not be to the fullest?

why should they be "kept separate"?

you're pulling improbable hypothetical scenarios to somehow justify logically your being against homosexuality

and to even take you up on this hypothesis, a gay guy can go to doctor, deposit sperm, a lesbian can come to the same doctor and receive the sperm

they don't need to meet at all, they're still separate aren't they?

analice107:

Being your normal self nah.

Not entirely your fault anyways.

I'm not the type that just rubbishes things without at least proper thoughts, so if I did rubbish a link its definitely worth rubbishing

Amberon:


Homosexuality has not and can never be natural. It is very very unnatural and IS EVEN A MENTAL ILLNESS

Homosexuality a mental illness?

Do you have scientific pinnings for this?

Amberon:


, morality tells us that it is totally wrong. ?

Who authored the "speaking" morality?

analice107:

Cc: Space.tacular. Is this true?

This would be a great read. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_early_HIV/AIDS_cases
But I've noticed a shocking lack of reading culture in these parts, so I won't be surprised if no one reads this.

CatfishBilly:

This would be a great read. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_HIV/AIDS
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_early_HIV/AIDS_cases
But I've noticed a shocking lack of reading culture in these parts, so I won't be surprised if no one reads this.

When someone here, says "i discontinue reading scientific article, the moment scientific jargons appears".

Yet, this fellow argues against scientific research.

A worrisome character per intelligence.

Akiintom:

When someone here, says "i discontinue reading scientific article, the moment scientific jargons appears".

Yet, this fellow argues against scientific research.

A worrisome character per intelligence.

no one is yet to give a convincing and logical argument against homosexuality, all we have so far is them trying to somehow equate incest and bestiality even though we've shown that both are totally different and one (homosexuality) doesn't necessarily lead to the others (incest, bestiality)

analice107:

The question should be, shd we now do as dogs do? Are we so degenerated that we begin to copy dogs?

Lord!!!!, Human beings now compare themselves with animals. because dogs are doing it, it's alright to do it.

Why aren't this atheists having sex publicly in broad day light since dogs do it?

Cocks kill their young. I guess we should do the same

ilynem:

Cocks kill their young. I guess we should do the same

Cocks? Humans have empathy and morals, so, that makes killing wrong.

CatfishBilly:

Cocks? Humans have empathy and morals, so, that makes killing wrong.

But doesn't make homosexuality wrong? If the first people in this world were homosexuals, will you be existing today?

analice107:

Why do i find all atheists taking a stand for homosexuality? Is it because the Bible is against it?

Definitely!

ilynem:

But doesn't make homosexuality wrong? If the first people in this world were homosexuals, will you be existing today?

The mistake you're making is that you're looking at sexual intercourse as purely for procreation, which isn't so. Sex is to be enjoyed and if a human enjoys that sex with someone of the same sex and both are consenting adults and they aren't hurting anyone in the process, then, it's not wrong. Now tell me which part of this write up is negated by empathy.
Humans are hedonists in nature.

Pastafarian:


it's because no one has been able to objectively tell us what's wrong in it except some book said so or personal repulsion

It is not normal. Cuz if the first apes we evolved from (according to you all) were gay, we wouldn't even be alive today having this conversation. The primary reason for Sex is to have children. When that purpose is defeated, is that still normal?

glowryhaa:
We live in a perverted world where even pedophiles think their desires are only natural and should be accepted in the society... May God help us

How long before they start asking for their rights? Their excuse will be "I was born to be sexually attracted to children". Lies!

Pastafarian:


why should they be "kept separate"?

you're pulling improbable hypothetical scenarios to somehow justify logically your being against homosexuality

and to even take you up on this hypothesis, a gay guy can go to doctor, deposit sperm, a lesbian can come to the same doctor and receive the sperm

they don't need to meet at all, they're still separate aren't they?

But at the end of the day, its a male sperm and a female egg ya?

Pastafarian:


I'm not the type that just rubbishes things without at least proper thoughts, so if I did rubbish a link its definitely worth rubbishing

You only rubbish the ones that go against your beliefs. That is being bias.

CatfishBilly:

The mistake you're making is that you're looking at sexual intercourse as purely for procreation, which isn't so. Sex is to be enjoyed and if a human enjoys that sex with someone of the same sex and both are consenting adults and they aren't hurting anyone in the process, then, it's not wrong. Now tell me which part of this write up is negated by empathy.
Humans are hedonists in nature.

You see Dr Catfish, my problem is you standing for homosexuality as being wrong and then bashing incest and bestiality as being wrong. Incest can happen between two consenting adults. I posted a picture earlier of a mother who got pregnant by her own son. They are two consenting adults. We haven't been able to prove that Animals can give consent to sex but I can stick my head that they can. Trust me, I know what I have seen (in videos). So if we see one as normal, why don't we see the others? After all, consent is all that matters right?

ilynem:

You see Dr Catfish, my problem is you standing for homosexuality as being wrong and then bashing incest and bestiality as being wrong. Incest can happen between two consenting adults. I posted a picture earlier of a mother who got pregnant by her own son. They are two consenting adults. We haven't been able to prove that Animals can give consent to sex but I can stick my head that they can. Trust me, I know what I have seen (in videos). So if we see one as normal, why don't we see the others? After all, consent is all that matters right?

We haven't been able to demonstrate that animals can give consent to sex, it's purely conjecture, so, until we can demonstrate, they can't​ give consent, and assuming consent is wrong, got Kemen kicked out of the house like I said earlier.

Parent having sex with an offspring is wrong because, the child in question hasn't gotten to the age of consent and to properly understand the consequences of the said action, so they can't give informed consent. Assumed age of competence is 18.
If a parent makes sexual advances towards an offspring, the said parent is abusing her position of authority like a Principal sleeping with his student, and empathy in humans doesn't allow for abuse of position of authority, so, it is wrong.
But if they are 2 adult siblings​, consenting and not having children, it's their business.
I have explained my position why bestiality and incest is wrong.

Pastafarian:


no one is yet to give a convincing and logical argument against homosexuality, all we have so far is them trying to somehow equate incest and bestiality even though we've shown that both are totally different and one (homosexuality) doesn't necessarily lead to the others (incest, bestiality)

Psychological conclusions on Christian apologists, are every day being confirmed on NL.

Just check this out!

Have you observed that non of the Christian here, has CLEARLY and UNAMBIGUOUSLY admitted the fact, that they're calling Homosexuality evil, demonic and sinful, because their BIBLE says so?

ilynem:

Cocks kill their young. I guess we should do the same

These atheists will come up with that very soon, watch.
When a man kills his son, the atheists will say, he has the right to do it, after all, it's his son and animals do it too.