Nowenuse:


Hmm, do yoruba, Kogi and Edo muslims really believe in sects? I know that most Niger and core northern muslims do, but i have hardly ever heard the former group of muslims talking about sects.

Half of my tribes people are muslims. We hardly ever hear them talk about sects.......or could it be that i have not been close enough to understand?

Most of d middle-belters belong to d Ahlus sunnah movement excluding Niger state that mostly sufis( tijjaniyya, qaddariya etc). The yorubas also r NT left out, most of Dem r sufis... Mostly qaddariyya. If u r in Lagos u might hv heard of shamsudden, islahudden, tabliq, salaffiyya, salafs etc. All dis names r subgroups under either Tijjaniyya, qaddariyya or Ahlu sunnah. All.d grps don't accept d attributes of sectarianism, d Ahlu sunnah refers to odaz as sects excluding themselves.




Sunnis r divided into two...d extremist( Sunni, ahlu sunnah, wahabi, salafiyya nd Izalas of Nigeri) and d liberal ones Sufis( asha'ariya, ahmadiyya, qaddariyya, tijjaniyya etc.).

Lionessza:

Hahahaha.

vaxx:
i think jos city has always been dominated by christain right from early nigeria. many jos indigines trace their christain backgroud to somewhere around 100years. The first catholic church in jos is as old as nigeria independent.

Jos and even Kaduna city ancestrally belongs to minority christian middlebelt tribes, but many settlers came due to urbanization of these places and hausa-fulanis most times are the kind of people who settle in a place and forget where they originally came from and start dragging indigeneship with the natives....

This is just the way hinterland yorubas have outnumbered Lagos yoruba indigenes in Lagos state.

Igbos used to outnumber PH indigenes and dominate Port harcourt before the civil war.

Nowenuse:


Northern Nigeria is not marginalized.

The region is just very vast and difficult compared to the south, hence making it difficult for infrastructures and amenities to penetrate.
Also, due to radical islam, many northerners belittle the importance of western education.
Lastly, oil discovery caused the Nigerian govt to abandon agriculture and mineral minning which the north had in abundance.

And the govt did little to nothing to develop that area, right? That is marginalization.

The same was the case here in Kenya; the northern region is vast, volatile, dry, thinly populated; thus largely neglected by the previous govts. But all that is changing now.

Nowenuse:


Of course, but they are caught in between and sometimes even suffer more casualties.

Igbos and Northern christians easily take sides with other christians and hold specific areas, but Hausas and northern muslims do not take sides with yoruba, edo and middlebelt muslims unless they have been heavily hausanized.

Feel free to ask those who witnessed these crises, since you said you live in Jos.

i just told you many yoruba family in jos are much like indigene themselves. it is impossible for a proper igbo man to attack yoruba muslim during the war unless the yoruba guy fall a victim and neither will hausa attack his yoruba inlaw during the war. At times you cant even recognize who is yoruba and who is hausa. Unless he disclose his identity.

Muafrika2:

Uganda too?

I've heard of the legendary Bairu from a Nairalander, but in relation to Rwanda's Hutu. How do they live together? Is it an Indian kind of caste system?

Sounds like a bunch of calculating opportunists. I doubt that is going to change.

Bairu actually means peasant.
Yes, i have a munyankole friend who was telling me fantastic tales. Even the one where a king sat on the back of a peasant as a stool and stabbed someone's foot as a rest for his spear. The farming caste were prohibited from owning cattle and had to trade produce for milk and meat. They were also forbidden from slaughtering cows. The dynamic was just the same. The Congolese Tutsi also have a tradition of looking down on and speaking down to peasant tribes. That's why anti tutsi sentiments are always strong in the lacustrine region of EA.

In fact you're right, there is a rigid caste system among those tribes from the regions around SW Uganda, Rwanda/Burundi and the adjoining areas of Congo DR. It involves cattle ownership, dietary bans, and social discrimination. Amongst the banyankole its so serious that M7 has decided to stall or stymie calls for the reinstatement of the monarchy amongst his tribe because some enlightened, egalitarian and social revolutionary NRM types scream human dignity and repeat the scary and fantasy like horror stories about what it was in the past to the rest of the people to embolden their point.

Nowenuse:


Jos and even Kaduna city ancestrally belongs to minority christian middlebelt tribes, but many settlers came due to urbanization of these places and hausa-fulanis most times are the kind of people who settle in a place and forget where they originally came from and start dragging indigeneship with the natives....

This is just the way hinterland yorubas have outnumbered Lagos yoruba indigenes in Lagos state.

Igbos used to outnumber PH indigenes and dominate Port harcourt before the civil war.

i dont get your concept with lagos and yoruba outnumbering lagosians. it seems you are seprating lagos from yoruba.

Nowenuse:


You have joined kikuyu in schizoprenic hallucinations too, hmm, how am i not sure you and him are same person?

Myopic people like you are the reason why we all have misconceptions about each other.
Now, can you tell me what the hell is wrong if i know the demographics of Kenyan counties?
How do you know if i won't be in Kenya tomorrow?

I have checked wiki but not all Kenyan counties have good demographic representations there.
If you cannot help out, why not just pass? I have never seen where people will be ashamed or too naive to respond to simple questions about their countries.
If you don't know it, admitting it will not kill you, will it?

I know you won't be in Kenya tomorrow coz you're the kind of people we send back,

Help my foot Go get help from Google. Your illiteracy is not our business Please insult your government for raising

Isahalbash:


Most of d middle-belters belong to d Ahlus sunnah movement excluding Niger state that mostly sufis( tijjaniyya, qaddariya etc). The yorubas also r NT left out, most of Dem r sufis... Mostly qaddariyya. If u r in Lagos u might hv heard of shamsudden, islahudden, tabliq, salaffiyya, salafs etc. All dis names r subgroups under either Tijjaniyya, qaddariyya or Ahlu sunnah. All.d grps don't accept d attributes of sectarianism, d Ahlu sunnah refers to odaz as sects excluding themselves.




Sunnis r divided into two...d extremist( Sunni, ahlu sunnah, wahabi, salafiyya nd Izalas of Nigeri) and d liberal ones Sufis( asha'ariya, ahmadiyya, qaddariyya, tijjaniyya etc.).

Wow, i never knew this, although am familiar with the names of the sects but i never knew which belonged to which.

Thanks.

Pls, which sects do most hausa, fulanis and kanuris belong?

Yes, i am very familiar with the Musbahudeen, Aminudeen and all the 'deen' answering yoruba muslims , and i have always wondered why mostly yoruba muslims answer such islamic names.

You also mentioned the ahlu Sunna among the extremist and claim that most middlebelt muslims belong here except Nupes, this means we are talking of mostly Igala, Ebira, Ilorin and Alago muslims?

But nupes on the average are far more islamically cultured and oriented than most Kogi and Alago (nasarawa) muslims.......how come?

Hbuyosh:


And the govt did little to nothing to develop that area, right? That is marginalization.

The same was the case here in Kenya; the northern region is vast, volatile, dry, thinly populated; thus largely neglected by the previous govts. But all that is changing now.

Yes, very true. In the past many African govts have had a sick approach to development which in many instances involved marginalization of entire regions, and hence ethnic groups. We should all thank the new constitution,, it guarantees development for all regions regardless.

MtuMsuper:

Bairu actually means peasant.
Yes, i have a munyankole friend who was telling me fantastic tales. Even the one where a king sat on the back of a peasant as a stool and stabbed someone's foot as a rest for his spear. The farming caste were prohibited from owning cattle and had to trade produce for milk and meat. They were also forbidden from slaughtering cows. The dynamic was just the same. The Congolese Tutsi also have a tradition of looking down on and speaking down to peasant tribes. That's why anti tutsi sentiments are always strong in the lacustrine region of EA.

In fact you're right, there is a rigid caste system among those tribes from the regions around SW Uganda, Rwanda/Burundi and the adjoining areas of Congo DR. It involves cattle ownership, dietary bans, and social discrimination. Amongst the banyankole its so serious that M7 has decided to stall or stymie calls for the reinstatement of the monarchy amongst his tribe because some enlightened, egalitarian and social revolutionary NRM types scream human dignity and repeat the scary and fantasy like horror stories about what it was in the past to the rest of the people to embolden their point.

This is a tragedy.

Nowenuse:


No, am talking about religious crisis in the north, like those in Kaduna, Jos, Zaria and Kano.
Hausa muslims still attack yoruba and middlebelt muslims calling them fake muslims.

I am from Jos and have witnessed this. Most yoruba muslims were chased out of some muslim dominated areas in Jos during the crises. Same thing with Kaduna.

Yoruba/middlebelt muslims only lived freely in the neutral areas.

Lolz! So u were there, when there were attacked and called " fake Muslims,"



Since you r from Jos... I understand d enmity btw you guys. None of you( both Hausa/fulani Muslims and d northern christians) wud b objective in ur submission. The hausas/ Fulani and d southern kaduna tribes hate themselves with passion.



Was it true that, during d Jos crises...ur people ate d fleshes' of d Hausa/ Fulani people they killed?

Hbuyosh:


And the govt did little to nothing to develop that area, right? That is marginalization.

The same was the case here in Kenya; the northern region is vast, volatile, dry, thinly populated; thus largely neglected by the previous govts. But all that is changing now.

No, it's not like that.

Most states receive equal allocations from the FG, the cost it will take to build a road connecting 2 towns in Anambra state (South) for instance, is not the same cost it will take to do likewise in a state like Niger state (north) that is more than 10 times the size of Anambra state.

A school may be built in a rural community in a Southern state for instance and people from up to 3 neighbouring communities who have no schools yet can easily trekk a shorter distance to attend such a school, but in the north it is a different case, the nearest community to another might take a whole day or half a day journey on foot.
This completely discourages every dream of those from a community who has no school yet from going to school, hence increasing illiteracy in the north.

Hope you get the point?

Muafrika2:

This is a tragedy.

Yup. This African traditional monarchy thing has a way of relegating normal and productive humans to a state of subservience and indignity, on account of their birth. Very sad.

Nowenuse:


No, it's not like that.

Most states receive equal allocations from the FG, the cost it will take to build a road connecting 2 towns in Anambra state (South) for instance, is not the same cost it will take to do likewise in a state like Niger state (north) that is more than 10 times the size of Anambra state.

A school may be built in a rural community in a Southern state for instance and people from up to 3 neighbouring communities who have no schools yet can easily trekk a shorter distance to attend such a school, but in the north it is a different case, the nearest community to another might take a whole day or half a day journey on foot.
This completely discourages every dream of those from a community who has no school yet from going to school, hence increasing illiteracy in the north.

Hope you get the point?

Who runs the Federal roads in Nigeria? I read sometimes on NL that a state does a federal road and gets reimbursement from Abuja. Paint me a picture of how they organise roads in nigeria, coz that's a funny scenario if you ask me.

vaxx:
i dont get your concept with lagos and yoruba outnumbering lagosians. it seems you are seprating lagos from yoruba.

Why would i seperate Lagos from yorubas?

But even among yorubas, they are divided into states and sub-tribes and what am saying is that yorubas from other states have outnumbered the yorubas from Lagos state in their own Lagos state. How hard is this?

Onitsha is an Igbo city, but Igbos from other parts of Igbo land have outnumbered the Onitsha igbo indigenes in their own city. Do you get?

Other Nigerians have outnumbered the Abuja natives in Abuja......infact in the last senatorship election for FCT, there were about 8 southern contenders against 2 FCT indigene contenders.

MtuMsuper:

Yup. This African traditional monarchy thing has a way of relegating normal and productive humans to a state of subservience and indignity, on account of their birth. Very sad.

It seems very few African nations were free before colonialism. They must be scared of a post Western led shift of power globally, and the likely demise of democracy.

But they are just quiet. I think this is the time to break free,

Muafrika2:

What is that?

an up coming residential city with an exclusive commercial center

Just30:
an up coming residential city with an exclusive commercial center

It sounds futuristic and mysterious

vaxx:
i just told you many yoruba family in jos are much like indigene themselves. it is impossible for a proper igbo man to attack yoruba muslim during the war unless the yoruba guy fall a victim and neither will hausa attack his yoruba inlaw during the war. At times you cant even recognize who is yoruba and who is hausa. Unless he disclose his identity.

Yes, and that is why i made exceptions of the hausanized or acculturized populations. Non hausa muslims who have been hausanized linguistically can easily disguise with the hausas, but you cannot expect and Ibadan man who just came to Jos last week to blend with hausas without being exposed.

Very well yes! An igbo guy can attack a yoruba muslim in Jos or Kaduna during crisis, because Igbos and northern christians live together and defend their areas together. Many Igbos have also acculturized with the northern christians and are indifferentiable.

Do u get?

Muafrika2:

I know you won't be in Kenya tomorrow coz you're the kind of people we send back,

Help my foot Go get help from Google. Your illiteracy is not our business Please insult your government for raising

Get lost.

freshest4live:

Hahahaha.

Muafrika2:

It sounds futuristic and mysterious

that's if the futuristic is the next 3 years

Nowenuse:


Get lost.

Keep praying.

Or use a bomb terrorist

Just30:
that's if the future is the next 3 years

Cool

Nowenuse:


Why would i seperate Lagos from yorubas?

But even among yorubas, they are divided into states and sub-tribes and what am saying is that yorubas from other states have outnumbered the yorubas from Lagos state in their own Lagos state. How hard is this?

Onitsha is an Igbo city, but Igbos from other parts of Igbo land have outnumbered the Onitsha igbo indigenes in their own city. Do you get?

Other Nigerians have outnumbered the Abuja natives in Abuja......infact in the last senatorship election for FCT, there were about 8 southern contenders against 2 FCT indigene contenders.

the concept is simple. Lagos is once a federal capital and still the commercial capital. The population of foreigner will likely outnumber the locals. Just the way accra indigene is now minority tribe in their town likewise dubai that is presently dominated by indians. It is expected becuse of lagos position. Let enugu or onitsha become the fedral capital the story will change.

Isahalbash:


Lolz! So u were there, when there were attacked and called " fake Muslims,"

Since you r from Jos... I understand d enmity btw you guys. None of you( both Hausa/fulani Muslims and d northern christians) wud b objective in ur submission. The hausas/ Fulani and d southern kaduna tribes hate themselves with passion.


Was it true that, during d Jos crises...ur people ate d fleshes' of d Hausa/ Fulani people they killed?

You know it is mostly the poor people that fight and kill themselves over religion and ethnicity. So the clashes take place more in the low income areas. I don't live in low income areas, but i have peeps who live there and have first hand info on how everything played out.

You should know the way hausa-fulanis behave now, there are many hausa-fulanis who will tell you that they are indigenes of Borno & Yobe state, but you and i know that those states are not part of Hausaland.

Hausa-fulanis are expansionists and our people cannot tolerate such.

I also heard about that 'eating flesh', and i watched the video, i don't think they actually ate it, they were just playing with it. It was like a warning sign of fearlesness.
You see, our people used to be very animalistic in the past cultures, heck most black Africans were. Christianity came to calm us down, but many hausa-fulanis take our present calmness for granted and weakness.

MtuMsuper:

Who runs the Federal roads in Nigeria? I read sometimes on NL that a state does a federal road and gets reimbursement from Abuja. Paint me a picture of how they organise roads in nigeria, coz that's a funny scenario if you ask me.

Federal roads are meant for the FG, but when the FG fails, a State govt can fill in the gap (they hardly do), but am not so sure about the re-imbursement.

Federal roads are the highway roads connecting cities and states with each other. While state roads are most of the intra-city and intra-town roads, village-village road and street roads.

Nowenuse:


Wow, i never knew this, although am familiar with the names of the sects but i never knew which belonged to which.

Thanks.

Pls, which sects do most hausa, fulanis and kanuris belong?

Yes, i am very familiar with the Musbahudeen, Aminudeen and all the 'deen' answering yoruba muslims , and i have always wondered why mostly yoruba muslims answer such islamic names.

You also mentioned the ahlu Sunna among the extremist and claim that most middlebelt muslims belong here except Nupes, this means we are talking of mostly Igala, Ebira, Ilorin and Alago muslims?

But nupes on the average are far more islamically cultured and oriented than most Kogi and Alago (nasarawa) muslims.......how come?

Yes d Igalas, ebiras and those kwara Muslims r ahlu sunnah daz why I said they have many fanatics too. You must have heard of " Jabata" a Yoruba sheikh...he's also a fanatic.

It's hard to say, but d youths r mostly ahlu sunnah because de tink de r more educated nd d Sufis r old skul, but contrary x d case cos most of d youth are educated illiterates demselves cox de follow blindly nd r easily brainwashed by d Sunnis eloquent preachers and sheikh.



D Sufis r people of mysticism.

Nowenuse:


No, it's not like that.

Most states receive equal allocations from the FG, the cost it will take to build a road connecting 2 towns in Anambra state (South) for instance, is not the same cost it will take to do likewise in a state like Niger state (north) that is more than 10 times the size of Anambra state.

A school may be built in a rural community in a Southern state for instance and people from up to 3 neighbouring communities who have no schools yet can easily trekk a shorter distance to attend such a school, but in the north it is a different case, the nearest community to another might take a whole day or half a day journey on foot.
This completely discourages every dream of those from a community who has no school yet from going to school, hence increasing illiteracy in the north.

Hope you get the point?

Okay, I see.

In Kenya, the past govts did not bother much about building roads, schools, hospitals and other govt services in the Nothern Kenya. They were few and miles apart, because the population in that region was soo thin (in some areas, 1person per 5km²!). Add that to the fact that these were pastoral communities, and some of the communities' unwillingness to embrace modernity (the Turkanas) or as was the case with the Somali community, their violent struggle to secede from Kenya and to join Somalia.

The govt felt that investing such infrastructure in those places was unviable. So, much of the development was heavily concentrated in the South, where over 86% of the Kenya's population is based anyway.

But we have a new constitution now that insists on equal distribution of development programs without bias on whichever grounds.

MtuMsuper:

Yes, very true. In the past many African govts have had a sick approach to development which in many instances involved marginalization of entire regions, and hence ethnic groups. We should all thank the new constitution,, it guarantees development for all regions regardless.

vaxx:
the concept is simple. Lagos is once a federal capital and still the commercial capital. The population of foreigner will likely outnumber the locals. Just the way accra indigene is now minority tribe in their town likewise dubai that is presently dominated by indians. It is expected becuse of lagos position. Let enugu or onitsha become the fedral capital the story will change.

It's not just abt being FCT.

During the Tin minning exploration in Jos during colonial times, colonial masters needed more hands and they imported a lot of hausas, igbos and other tribes to Jos which was still a small place. This changed the demographic of Jos forever. This is why you can still find 3rd generation Igbo, yoruba, hausa and bendel people in Jos.

As for Kaduna, it became the capital of old northern region. Port harcourt became the economic capital of old eastern region.

Onitsha did not need to be a capital for settlers to outnumber Indigenes.
It happens in any large developing city where the indigenes are small in number.

Nowenuse:


Yes, and that is why i made exceptions of the hausanized or acculturized populations. Non hausa muslims who have been hausanized linguistically can easily disguise with the hausas, but you cannot expect and Ibadan man who just came to Jos last week to blend with hausas without being exposed.

Very well yes! An igbo guy can attack a yoruba muslim in Jos or Kaduna during crisis, because Igbos and northern christians live together and defend their areas together. Many Igbos have also acculturized with the northern christians and are indifferentiable.

Do u get?

hausa christain and igbo christain will not attack yoruba muslim willingly unless there is sign of hausa intruder.