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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by obaaderemi: 2:05pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse:Indeed,the yorubas need to harmonize even beyond Africa.Togo's first prime minister,Grutzinsky was half yoruba and many Beninoise are of yoruba origin as well.And several brazilians too. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 2:07pm On May 27, 2017 |
Muafrika2: Exactly. Francophone West Africans seem too timid to take their destinies into their own hands. The french hold on them is too strong. Coupled with that, most of them might feel they are too small without much rescources, arid and landlocked nations to take their destinies into their own hands. I was so ashamed and sorry for black Africans the day i watched the clip were all Malians were cheering and worshipping French forces for liberating them from those Tuareg militants. The french appeared as heroes and Saviours for a problem (they the french) also caused.......now tell me why you think these people will ever want to leave France? When the french have made most of them see france as their only helpers and saviours? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 2:34pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse:you cant blame the french colony for thier incapacitated. french power is too influenctial. i will blame . what i call economic of weak african state for it. this is what happen to guniea when she try to do it. When Sékou Touré of Guinea decided in1958 to get out of french colonial empire,and opted for the country independence, the french colonial elite in Paris got so furious, and in a historic act of fury the french administration in Guinea destroyed everything in the country which represented what they called the benefits from french colonization.Three thousand French left the country, taking all their property and destroying anything that which could not be moved: schools, nurseries, public administration buildings were crumbled; cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments,tractors were crushed and sabotaged; horses, cows in the farms were killed, and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned.The purpose of this outrageous act was to send a clear message to all other colonies that the consequences for rejecting France would be very high.Slowly fear spread trough the african elite, and none after the Guinea events ever found the courage to follow the example of Sékou Touré, whose slogan was“We prefer freedom in poverty to opulence in slavery.”. Ecowas can fight,on their behalf |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 2:45pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse: Fulanis are united and smart, yes, but they are also at a disadvantage from what i see. So, no need to hype them. Most fulanis in Nigeria are loosing their language and culture to hausa (becoming hausanized). I also heard that in Mali, fulanis are loosing their language and culture to Bambara, likewise in Senegal where many fulanis have adopted wolof. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 2:49pm On May 27, 2017 |
fanficgirl: ![]() Buh i think that elderly woman tried small sha Even me, it wasn't too long i memorized the Nigerian states n capitals perfectly .be sincere, can you perfectly? 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 2:52pm On May 27, 2017 |
obaaderemi: holly, are there yoruba indigenes in Togo? never heard of that, buh i know of yorubas in Benin. Had one as a friend back then |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jieta: 2:59pm On May 27, 2017 |
vaxx:you are a very knowledge man, i will like to learn from you. can you please educate me more about how traore and guinea overcome their woe or did there go back to beg France. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 3:11pm On May 27, 2017 |
WIZGUY69: Yes, and that is probably because Eko atlantic has started long ago. You cannot judge Centennary city by the progress alone. I think you should judge by the plan/rendition. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 3:14pm On May 27, 2017 |
genieluv: You have a point but i don't think that stops them from acknowledging their own ethnicity and uniting. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 3:22pm On May 27, 2017 |
genieluv: Yes we have Yorubas as indigenes in Togo. Adebayo is also 1(the football). |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 3:31pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse: holly, going back through this thread. ![]() ![]() Seems like you guys have fought and settled at different times ![]() Those guys told me that there are many Sudanese of Nigerian (hausa) descent and i discovered it was true. I really can't speak for Somalis, buh Ethiopians i think, yah. A cousin of mine schooled with and befriended loads of them and looking at the photos, i think some of them can pass for fulanis. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 3:38pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse: Holly most horn African and fulani men do look good facially, buh i just don't know, they usually appear very feminine to me at times ** ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 5:10pm On May 27, 2017 |
jieta:guniea success can be attributed to kwame inkrumah of ghana who become a co president of guniea after he was outcast from ghana. He helps build a solid foundation of guniea economy. Guinea is the only west african colony that refuse to adopt CFA currency. The money introduce by france throughout her west african colony. Imf has also render a lot of financial help to guinea. Anyway guniea is not completly free from france. She still pay france colonia tax. I belive guniea is the most independent french colony in west africa. The country economy still rely on france for survival due to poor policies of the goverment. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 5:16pm On May 27, 2017 |
genieluv:yes there is yoruba indigenious tribe in togo apart from main yoruba emigrant. they are called atapame. they speak yoruba like people from ondo state in nigeria. authough the yoruba may be complex along the line.. history say they emigrate from ondo kingdom. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by jieta: 5:44pm On May 27, 2017 |
vaxx:thanks |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by WIZGUY69(m): 5:44pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse: But seriously Bro... Centenary city got nothing on EKC.. Location matters... Most area around Centenary city are still virgin... While that of Ekc are filled up already (talking about VI and the likes)... so the highest bidder wins the game..another thing Is the nature factor.. (beach).. again the government of the day.. it's a known fact that Lagos state government are serious about EKC to see the light of the day compared to FG & Centenary... after seeing the plan of Centenary city.. there's nothing extraordinary about it... But there's on EKC ![]() ![]() |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 9jakool: 6:02pm On May 27, 2017 |
Nowenuse:I don't understand your definition of smartest. In Nigeria too, Hausa are being overshadowed by the Fulanis in politics under the Hausa-Fulani banner, but that's a different subject matter. I think the situation is extremely complex than that. You need to understand that the importance of perspectives and political alliance. Hausas are found in Niger and Nigeria. However you have to realize Niger was colonized by French and Nigeria was a British colony. In reality these people have been cut off from each other politically and ideologically for more than a century. The same case can be made from Akan. Ghana was a British colony and Ivory Coast was a French colony. For Yorubas, Nigeria was a British colony, Benin Rep. was a French colony, Togo was both ruled by the Germans and French. I'm not saying colonialism is the culprit here, even though it played a big role. I am saying that the different colonial forces affected the perspectives of these people. Take Togo for example, Yorubas in Togo are more connected to Yorubas in Benin more because they were both French colony and they use French as a second language. In a way, the colonial forces have shaped the identity of these people in their respective country. Fulanis are the exception in this case because their of their nomadic culture which is different from most West African groups. Naturally, nomadic people travel from country to country and aren't affected by political boarders unlike Agriculturalist settled groups like Hausa. My next point is culture and the heterogeneous nature of these groups. Even with the political differences, Hausa in Niger are more connected to Hausa in Nigeria than Akan in Ivory Coast-Ghana and Yoruba in Nigeria-Benin-Togo. Why? cultural differences. I'm aware that some cultural/dialect differences exist between Hausas, but compare to the Akan or Yoruba, those differences are mild. Yoruba like Akan is an umbrella term for numerous historically independent groups. Even in Nigeria, a Yoruba man from from Oyo would have a little difficulty understanding a Yoruba man from Ijebu if they were to speak their respective dialects. Both of them would have an even more difficult time understanding a Yoruba man from Arigidi in Ondo. It isn't just the differences in dialects, it's just the most noticeable cultural difference. An Oyo man with a more inland/upland culture will be different to the riverine/costal cultures of groups like Ilaje or Ijebu. Even with those strong differences, Yorubas in Nigeria are still very united. This heterogeneous nature extends to those in Benin and Togo. The Yoruba umbrella identity seems to be less prominent in those countries with Togo being the least. In Benin rep and Togo, Yoruba subgroups like Anago, Ketu, Idasa, Ije, and Sabe are more likely to answer/recognize Yoruba identity than groups like Isa, Manigri, and Ife-Ana. Why? Because groups like Ketu and co are closer to the Nigerian border, they use oba political system, and most importantly recognize the Oduduwa deity, one of the most important unifying factor. Other Yorubas groups like Isa, Manigri, Ife-Ana, are found on the Western border of Benin and central Togo. These groups are the farthest away from Yorubas in Nigeria, and don't even know or recognize oduduwa. These groups were very independent to the point that they don't have kings (obas). Shocking right? This just goes to show the heterogeneous nature. It's very complicated than black or white. I need to create a thread for this lol. 1 Like |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 6:05pm On May 27, 2017 |
genieluv: Exactly what i said but many here disputed, so i had to prove to them wrong. Yes, apparently, there are hausas in Sudan but i think they have beeb hausanized. I don't think they still speak hausa any more. Do u live in Kaduna? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Kenyanstar: 6:06pm On May 27, 2017 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 6:08pm On May 27, 2017 |
genieluv: Hmm, So are you saying that you cannot date or marry a fulani or Horn African man if approached by one? What is your definition of masculinity? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by 9jakool: 6:19pm On May 27, 2017 |
iblawi:Adebayo is a descendant of Yoruba migrants from Nigera. Yoruba indigines are found in central Togo and the second largest city in Togo, Atakpame is a Yoruba city inhabited by the Ana subgroup. The Yoruba subgroups in Togo are Ana, Manigri(Kambole) and Koura. Adebayo was born in Lome which is an Ewe city and far from the Yorubas in central Togo. The ironic thing is that most Yorubas who migrate from Nigeria to Togo only move to the coastal area especially the big capital city, Lome and ironically some aren't even aware of other Yoruba subgroups in the more hinterland part of Togo. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 6:26pm On May 27, 2017 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 6:31pm On May 27, 2017 |
arinzeejikonye: Can you please share your source? |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 6:33pm On May 27, 2017 |
WIZGUY69: Half of Eko atlantic is also surrounded by coastline. And Eko atlantic will be smaller than CT city. CT city will be close to Abuja world trade centre in CBD... Eko atlantic started a longer time ago, so, expect it to have a headstart. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by forgiveness: 6:34pm On May 27, 2017 |
arinzeejikonye: And this one too. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by iblawi(m): 6:37pm On May 27, 2017 |
9jakool: Thanks. Very informative. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jay254(m): 6:38pm On May 27, 2017 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Jay254(m): 6:39pm On May 27, 2017 |
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Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 6:48pm On May 27, 2017 |
9jakool: Hmmmmm.......... Very enlightening piece. Seriously, i'd advice you to work on this unification if you can in your most possible way. Your knowledge on this thing will go a long way. What field are you into if i may ask? Do these yoruba subgroups in Togo and Benin identify as Yorubas? Talking about dialectal difference, i speak hausa fluently and believe me, the hausa dialects of Niger republic are very very different from most in Nigeria to a large extent. Even in Nigeria, people from Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi, e.t.c do not understand Sokoto people if they speak, unless Sokoto people switch to central hausa. This is the same thing with Niger republic hausa being far more different. Just that due to the influence of Kano dialect in radios which the BBC, Radio france and others have helped to promote and through trade, most other hausas have learnt to speak Kano dialect. I think the problem with yorubas is less contact btw those in Togo, Benin and those in Nigeria, compared to Hausas in Niger whom millions of them come to Nigeria and trade with Nigerians. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by vaxx: 6:56pm On May 27, 2017 |
9jakool:atakpame is a name of a cityand at the same time a tribe. They are close with another tribe called kpalime. Five largest city in togo. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by Nowenuse: 7:00pm On May 27, 2017 |
@9jakool You made some strong points about cultural unification though. All hausas are united culturally compared to Yorubas and Akans. (thanks to Danfodio). But hausas in Niger i think have a different culture to an extent, they were never conquered by fulanis and never intermixed with fulanis as such. The term hausa-fulani is absurd in Niger republic. Also, i think the town fulanis form the majority of fulanis in the entire West Africa. The nomadic ones i think are in minority and these town and educated fulanis are even the ones in charge of the international unions and not the nomadics who are predominantly illiterate. ....So i don't think the nomadic nature is much of an excuse. I think another problem with the Akans and Yorubas is too much westernization compared to the fulanis....so, most are not interested in tribal identification or superiority or unity as such.....those in Nigeria definitely had to unite i think with the help of the colonial masters and greater desire to assert as a majority and powerful group in Nigeria. |
Re: Kenya Is Ahead of Nigeria In All Aspect (Facts Don't Lie) by genieluv(f): 7:20pm On May 27, 2017 |
vaxx: iblawi: Ok, tnx guys. Now i know. |
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