fanficgirl:

Can they be translated?

Yeah the first script is called Borama and it is still kept alive although it's not in use.

The second script one is called Osmanya. Some people are trying to revive it by teaching it in some schools. This initiative will fail because it's seen as an exclusive script that belongs to one clan (my clan lol).

There are 2 or 3 others, but the oldest Somali script is either Sumado (number 3) or a somewhat unknown script that looked similar to the Sabaen script.

Nowenuse:
@9jakool

You made some strong points about cultural unification though.
All hausas are united culturally compared to Yorubas and Akans. (thanks to Danfodio).

But hausas in Niger i think have a different culture to an extent, they were never conquered by fulanis and never intermixed with fulanis as such. The term hausa-fulani is absurd in Niger republic.

Also, i think the town fulanis form the majority of fulanis in the entire West Africa. The nomadic ones i think are in minority and these town and educated fulanis are even the ones in charge of the international unions and not the nomadics who are predominantly illiterate. ....So i don't think the nomadic nature is much of an excuse.

I think another problem with the Akans and Yorubas is too much westernization compared to the fulanis....so, most are not interested in tribal identification or superiority or unity as such.....those in Nigeria definitely had to unite i think with the help of the colonial masters and greater desire to assert as a majority and powerful group in Nigeria.

True in some case. I think the Nomadic ones are still a significant bunch of the Fulani population and are responsible for the unity. Urban Fulanis who settle down are more likely to loose aspects of their culture easily though. The true remains as long as you have a significant Fulani nomads, the unifying factor is still fortified even if there are town Fulanis. Fulani nomads don't really recognize political boarders since they are nomads and yes westernization is linked with it. Imagine a scenario where there are no more nomadic Fulanis and they all settled in towns and all became educated in Western education and they are politically/culturally separated from other Fulanis for 150 years. Do you think the unifying factor will be the same as it is today?

Jay254:
Nairobi the green City in the Sun

Hooy** Nairobi is really beautiful.
Would love to visit someday
Good thing to see African cities developing. I wish all round our countries would be this developed or at least something close in all African countriees. geee

Nowenuse:


Exactly what i said but many here disputed, so i had to prove to them wrong.
Yes, apparently, there are hausas in Sudan but i think they have beeb hausanized. I don't think they still speak hausa any more.

Do u live in Kaduna?

Yah, i live in Kd, buh am now in Abuja.

Nowenuse:


Hmm, So are you saying that you cannot date or marry a fulani or Horn African man if approached by one?

What is your definition of masculinity?

I don know buh am not sure. First of all i am a christian and most of them are muslims and that disqualifies first. Cultural difference is also a huge prob. I don't find skinny guys attractive and most of them are skinny (like our president)

The way other sub saharan african (non horner) men look. Like Idris Elba or Gbenro Ajibade. Or black rugby players or boxers like Anthony Joshua
That's my definition of masculinity.

genieluv:


I don know buh am not sure. First of all i am a christian and most of them are muslims and that disqualifies first. Cultural difference is also a huge prob. I don't find skinny guys attractive and most of them are skinny (like our president)

The way other sub saharan african (non horner) men look. Like Idris Elba or Gbenro Ajibade. Or black rugby players or boxers like Anthony Joshua
That's my definition of masculinity.

Black rugby players? Where do you find them? Rugby is a white sport. You hardly find black people playing rugby.

Why did so many girls start crushing on Anthony Joshua since he won Klitschko? hardly before then

Seems like you admire only muscular guys?
Many women and later when the muscular guy tests his muscles on their pretty face, they cry domestic violence. Smh.

genieluv:


Holly most horn African and fulani men do look good facially, buh i just don't know, they usually appear very feminine to me at times ** ** ....typically unlike other African men who look very masculine.

Best looking guys are still Nigerian my sister

genieluv:


Holly, some Nigerians can be very ignorant. Been lmao
Buh i think that elderly woman tried small sha
Even me, it wasn't too long i memorized the Nigerian states n capitals perfectly .be sincere, can you perfectly?

No I can't but I'm improving . Nice to have another Nigerian girl here I was getting lonely

9jakool:

True in some case. I think the Nomadic ones are still a significant bunch of the Fulani population and are responsible for the unity. Urban Fulanis who settle down are more likely to loose aspects of their culture easily though. The true remains as long as you have a significant Fulani nomads, the unifying factor is still fortified even if there are town Fulanis. Fulani nomads don't really recognize political boarders since they are nomads and yes westernization is linked with it. Imagine a scenario where there are no more nomadic Fulanis and they all settled in towns and all became educated in Western education and they are politically/culturally separated from other Fulanis for 150 years. Do you think the unifying factor will be the same as it is today?

It might not be as strong as it is today, but it will still be stronger than other tribes.
Fulanis just seem to be very smart people, and power hungry too.
You could imagine how they dominated Cameroon politically for decades with just about 10% of the population of the country.

Nowenuse:


Hmmmmm..........
Very enlightening piece.
Seriously, i'd advice you to work on this unification if you can in your most possible way. Your knowledge on this thing will go a long way.

What field are you into if i may ask?

Do these yoruba subgroups in Togo and Benin identify as Yorubas?

Talking about dialectal difference, i speak hausa fluently and believe me, the hausa dialects of Niger republic are very very different from most in Nigeria to a large extent. Even in Nigeria, people from Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi, e.t.c do not understand Sokoto people if they speak, unless Sokoto people switch to central hausa.

This is the same thing with Niger republic hausa being far more different. Just that due to the influence of Kano dialect in radios which the BBC, Radio france and others have helped to promote and through trade, most other hausas have learnt to speak Kano dialect.

I think the problem with yorubas is less contact btw those in Togo, Benin and those in Nigeria, compared to Hausas in Niger whom millions of them come to Nigeria and trade with Nigerians.

I think education is needed before some pan-Yoruba unification. You can't work on unification if there are still Yorubas who aren't aware of native Yoruba subgroups in other countries.

My field is science related, but I still like history and culture nonetheless.

Yorubas in those countries recognize their individual sovereignty before identifying as Yoruba. However I think some groups like Ketu, Anago and Sabe recognize both their sovereign identity and the umbrella identity at the same time since they border Nigeria. In Benin republic census, the subgroups are classified as individuals and also group under the Yoruba banner. In Togo's census the Yoruba groups are classified as individual ethnic groups. To summarize, the Yoruba in Benin use the term more than those in Togo.

Standard/written Yoruba language from Nigeria is based from Oyo and Ibadan dialects. The de facto standard-dominant-media dialect in Benin is the Anago dialect from Porto-Novo which is actually close and mutually intelligible to the standard Yoruba of Nigeria. The standardized dialect of Togo is the Ana-Ife dialect which is very different from that of Nigeria and has a different writing system.

As for Hausa, I want to ask how much of the Hausa (percentage) from Niger can you understand because I tell you that some Yoruba dialects are impossible to understand by most.

As for the bolded, I also think the problem is most Yorubas in Nigeria are not as connected to those in Togo and Benin. However, a very small percentage of Yorubas surprisingly are connected to those countries especially those along the boarder. Western Ogun and Western Lagos state is where you can see this at best. The town of Idiroko, Ogun state is actually on the border and is both located in Naija and Benin. People in those areas regularly cross borders to trade and visit families. When the French and British split Yorubaland, they also split across families. Many people on the Nigerian boarders in Ogun state have relatives residing in Benin republic and vice versa. Ipokia in Ogun state is an Anago town and the same Anagos are found in Ifagni(Ifonyi) and Porto Novo(Ajase-ile) in Benin. Yorubas in Imeko Afon Lga in Ogun are of Ketu subgroup and the same Ketu-Yoruba are found in Ketu town, Idigny(Idiyin) across the border in Benin. The Alaketu of Ketu once said that his people watch Ogun state television instead of the Benin rep state tv just because the Ogun state tv broadcast in Yoruba compare to the Benin state tv which broadcasts only in French. Some Yoruba in Benin along the border can even speak English.

ArtanK:


I don't know man. Abbas Siraji represented hope and change. Millions of youngsters who are disillusioned with the incompetence of the elders looked up to him and people like him. His death raised many questions and I truly believe that it wasn't accidental. Most likely it was some fat cat in Mogadishu that paid off the soldier to get rid of him, just like they did with Sada Ali Warsama.

What's the clan politics like in Somalia?

genieluv:


Yah, i live in Kd, buh am now in Abuja.

Do you speak hausa? Are you from Kaduna?

9jakool:

I think education is needed before some pan-Yoruba unification. You can't work on unification if there are still Yorubas who aren't aware of native Yoruba subgroups in other countries.

My field is science related, but I still like history and culture nonetheless.

Yorubas in those countries recognize their individual sovereignty before identifying as Yoruba. However I think some groups like Ketu, Anago and Sabe recognize both their sovereign identity and the umbrella identity at the same time since they border Nigeria. In Benin republic census, the subgroups are classified as individuals and also group under the Yoruba banner. In Togo's census the Yoruba groups are classified as individual ethnic groups. To summarize, the Yoruba in Benin use the term more than those in Togo.

Standard/written Yoruba language from Nigeria is based from Oyo and Ibadan dialects. The de facto standard-dominant-media dialect in Benin is the Anago dialect from Porto-Novo which is actually close and mutually intelligible to the standard Yoruba of Nigeria. The standardized dialect of Togo is the Ana-Ife dialect which is very different from that of Nigeria and has a different writing system.

As for Hausa, I want to ask how much of the Hausa (percentage) from Niger can you understand because I tell you that some Yoruba dialects are impossible to understand by most.

As for the bolded, I also think the problem is most Yorubas in Nigeria are not as connected to those in Togo and Benin. However, a very small percentage of Yorubas surprisingly are connected to those countries especially those along the boarder. Western Ogun and Western Lagos state is where you can see this at best. The town of Idiroko, Ogun state is actually on the border and is both located in Naija and Benin. People in those areas regularly cross borders to trade and visit families. When the French and British split Yorubaland, they also split across families. Many people on the Nigerian boarders in Ogun state have relatives residing in Benin republic and vice versa. Ipokia in Ogun state is an Anago town and the same Anagos are found in Ifagni(Ifonyi) and Porto Novo(Ajase-ile) in Benin. Yorubas in Imeko Afon Lga in Ogun are of Ketu subgroup and the same Ketu-Yoruba are found in Ketu town, Idigny(Idiyin) across the border in Benin. The Alaketu of Ketu once said that his people watch Ogun state television instead of the Benin rep state tv just because the Ogun state tv broadcast in Yoruba compare to the Benin state tv which broadcasts only in French. Some Yoruba in Benin along the border can even speak English.

Impossible. I let a Yoruba Nigerian friend meet some people that just came from Benin and she was surprised they spoke Yoruba.

Nowenuse:


Black rugby players? Where do you find them? Rugby is a white sport. You hardly find black people playing rugby.

Why did so many girls start crushing on Anthony Joshua since he won Klitschko? hardly before then

Seems like you admire only muscular guys?
Many women and later when the muscular guy tests his muscles on their pretty face, they cry domestic violence. Smh.

True dat rugby is a white dominated sport buh i think we have some black countries that play rugby. I think some carribean countries do. South Africa, Kenya too

Hahaha. Somebori cannot like Anthony Joshua in peace again?

Heyoo, i never said that i admire only muscular guys ho. They are just pleazin to the female eyes. Every lady admires them tooo++.

ArtanK:


Yeah the first script is called Borama and it is still kept alive although it's not in use.

The second script one is called Osmanya. Some people are trying to revive it by teaching it in some schools. This initiative will fail because it's seen as an exclusive script that belongs to one clan (my clan lol).

There are 2 or 3 others, but the oldest Somali script is either Sumado (number 3) or a somewhat unknown script that looked similar to the Sabaen script.

This is amazing
It's amazing how secret literature is all over Africa. Will it be hard to translate to English as well?

fanficgirl:

No I can't but I'm improving . Nice to have another Nigerian girl here I was getting lonely

KK dearie . Seems like you have been on this thread for a long time? Tho it seems quite interesting n interractive, especially with the foreigners here. Buh do you really think Kenya is better than Nigeria?

mtis:

C for Canada ...

. I laughed for a good five minutes

fanficgirl:

Best looking guys are still Nigerian my sister

Heee Do you mean Nigerian men are the best looking in the world or just Africa?

TayserMahiri:


So chop knuckle is fist bumping? Haha, never knew lol a guy told me here I thought he was just being funny. Thanks fanficgirl for the enlightenment. We call the fist bump Gota in sheng'. Is there pidgin dictionary? Here is the sheng dictionary

www.sheng.co.ke/kamusi/?t_word=

There isn't a comprehensive pidgin dictionary yet buts its trying. Aye sheng is a mix of swahali and english right? I will learn before my Kenyan visit

genieluv:


KK dearie . Seems like you have been on this thread for a long time? Tho it seems quite interesting n interractive, especially with the foreigners here. Buh do you really think Kenya is better than Nigeria?

I have some family friends who have lived in noth and they vouch for Kenya. Yes I have
I don't know how I appeared here but its interesting and I've learned alot

fanficgirl:

Impossible. I let a Yoruba Nigerian friend meet some people that just came from Benin and she was surprised they spoke Yoruba.

Lol right?
Only the few ones on the border have close connection to those from Benin. Most Yorubas are so unaware. They don't even know Yorubas are the second largest ethnic group in Benin.

genieluv:


Heee Do you mean Nigerian men are the best looking in the world or just Africa?

I would say Africa but not the world

Nowenuse:


Black rugby players? Where do you find them? Rugby is a white sport. You hardly find black people playing rugby.

Why did so many girls start crushing on Anthony Joshua since he won Klitschko? hardly before then

Seems like you admire only muscular guys?
Many women and later when the muscular guy tests his muscles on their pretty face, they cry domestic violence. Smh.

Black South Africans and kenyans play good rugby.But in Nigeria,football gives no other sport a chance.Rugby is not popular in nigeria although big muscular men abound.We just love the 'beautiful game' too much.

genieluv:


True dat rugby is a white dominated sport buh i think we have some black countries that play rugby. I think some carribean countries do. South Africa, Kenya too

Hahaha. Somebori cannot like Anthony Joshua in peace again?

Heyoo, i never said that i admire only muscular guys ho. They are just pleazin to the female eyes. Every lady admires them tooo++.

So you admire Kenyan and SA rugby players? Don't they look facially ugly to you compared to Nigerian faces?

Wait a sec, i have never seen a lady who watches rugby or any sports. Do you?

9jakool:

Lol right?
Only the few ones on the border have close connection to those from Benin. Most Yorubas are so unaware. They don't even know Yorubas are the second largest ethnic group in Benin.

Exactly!! Imagine a Yoruba took a DNA test and thought he would only get Nigerian and was confused Benin show up . National borders have really ruined so many ethnic groups

Nowenuse:


Do you speak hausa? Are you from Kaduna?

Yah i speak hausa, why do you ask?
I am from Benue state but grew up in Kaduna.

fanficgirl:

What's the clan politics like in Somalia?

It's so complicated.The four biggest clans dominate the rest. Darod, Ishak, Hawiya and Rahawein. If it weren't for the first 3, the country would have probably sorted out its troubles a long time ago. Believe me, I'm Darod lol.

[quote author=Nowenuse post=56921681]

fanficgirl probably has ulterior motives.
She is looking for a Kenyan boo to please [/lquote]
aftee I've vouched for Nigerian men

fanficgirl:

Exactly!! Imagine a Yoruba took a DNA test and thought he would only get Nigerian and was confused Benin show up . National borders have really ruined so many ethnic groups

Political boundaries have really messed with Nigerian's mindset.
Haha one even said that the Yorubas in Benin are descendants of slaves taken from Nigeria so it makes sense that there are Yorubas in Benin.

fanficgirl:

I would say Africa but not the world

Kk hiiii, cos if you had said the world, i would hav screamed what about African american guys? Those guys are the hottest in the world .jeeee!
True, Nigerian men should be the most handsome in Africa, buh i don't know why i don't crush on most Nigerian male musicians.
I tend to crush on male celebs from other African countries more often. Like Fally Ipupa of Congo, Tanzanian Alikiba and many others ***What bout you?**

fanficgirl:

This is amazing
It's amazing how secret literature is all over Africa. Will it be hard to translate to English as well?

I blame the lack of research. Europe and Asia have been dug out and laid bare to the rest of the world. Whilst many places in Africa have been hampered by poverty, political instability and safety issues. Expect many historical findings in Africa as the continent moves forward.

As long as you can read it then it is very easy to translate to English.

Nowenuse:


Ok.
Is the centennary city under AMAC LGA?

CT city and Eko atlantic, which would cost more and which do you think will be better and more powerful?

It seems like CT city is far bigger than Eko atlantic. Or not?

I really don't know.

I don't understand what you mean by which will cost more.

Looking at the projects, they will both cost billions of dollars. The better one will depend on the final outcome of the project. For now we can't tell if they will stick to the original plans or not but I think Lagos has more advantages because it is beside the sea and it is the commercial nerves of the country.

I don't know the size of Centenary City Abuja.