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Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by IsaacChukwuemek: 6:22am On May 28, 2017 |
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Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by SuperS1Panther: 7:01am On May 28, 2017 |
Can you see the statements from those Osu villagers? They are just hate personified. They should always thank Gowon for not lining them up into the Gas Chamber after they were resoundingly defeated and taken as war slaves. 20 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Nobody: 7:39am On May 28, 2017 |
If this igbos had any sense and shame they would stay away from this thread that has exposed their hypocrisy, hatred,lies and self-centeredness.But i see some are still here running their mouths like a loose tap.I repeat i wont be shocked if some of the pretenders claiming not to be in support of d initial aim of this thread actually have alternate moniker(s) that were at the front line in insulting yorubas when this thread started.Am not a fan of buhari or his government but it is evident that the present agitations for biafra are because power has changed hands. 18 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by wirinet(m): 7:41am On May 28, 2017 |
Afam4eva: Afam, you are a very dishonest person. Please re-read your post below Then try and reconcile it with your explanation up there, it just does not make sense. You agree that everybody is marginalized, but somehow you have a the right to determine the extent to which everybody feels marginalized. According to your marginalization meter, the extent Yoruba's felt marginalized under Jonathan was not enough to warrant attention. You then told the lie that Yorubas voted ACN, and so do not have the right to cry marginalization and should be denied the advantages of being in mainstream politics - aka political appointments. Well for your information all Yoruba's States voted Jonathan with the exception of Ekiti, even at that Ekiti gave Jonathan the required 25%. Now what would you have said if all the Yoruba States gave Jonathan less than 5% as done by you guys to Buhari in 2015. What concerns whoever the house elects as speaker with cries of marginalization? Why are you guys then crying marginalization today even though Ekweremadu is deputy Senate President? I doubt people will ever take you serious again after reading your clear hypocrisy above 21 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by deedeedee1: 8:10am On May 28, 2017 |
Henryyy:Which is why the country itself should split. 2 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by wirinet(m): 8:22am On May 28, 2017 |
deedeedee1:So the country should split just because someone you hate became president? Why did you not call for a split 6 or eve 3 years ago? If you search through nairalands threads and posts, you will hardly find the word Biafra 4 years ago. Biafra only became a permanent key word on nairaland and indeed Nigeria's political landscape after Buhari won the elections 3 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Cypmeni(m): 8:29am On May 28, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi: Poor reply and obviously moronic thought process. There were already Igbo APC members in house of assembly,did APC ever try to make them speakers and Ndiigbo scuttled the plans? You Yorubas couldn't cede the speaker slot to Igbo APC members, but we are to believe you would have ceded the bigger Senate presidency position to Ndiigbo, if we had an APC senator? After we saw how Tinubu and gang nearly died because of Saraki emergence and Ekweremadu deputizing for him. You see how rationality failed you? Have you ever tried giving the APC members of Igbo extraction more substantial appointment and Ndigbo declined? A certain Akunyili played more in GEJ emergence from Yaradua kitchen cabinet shadows than the entire Yoruba race ever did, so you can cut the crap about installing GEJ. When it suits your narratives, OBJ becomes a Yoruba man working for Yoruba interest, when it doesn't, he becomes a Northern stooge that Yorubas rejected in 1999 and that Ndiigbo helped impose on you lots. Perhaps, tomorrow, story would be told of how Yoruba race and interest were at the forefront of the fight against Buhari sectarian government, as represented by FFK and Fayose, of course, they both would be elevated to the position of voice of Yoruba race. Unstable lot. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by deedeedee1: 8:31am On May 28, 2017 |
wirinet:See Mr, i am a yoruba man. Why do some people believe if you support the disintegration of this country, then you automatically become igbo? I am from ilesha and i believe that all these ethnic superiority will not benefit us. If yoruba had a separate country, we will be assured that the people to rule will be yoruba and there will be nothing like ethnic sentiment(which will be peaceful). In nigeria, the hausas, yoruba, and igbos are all fighting to rule the country, tell me, what have we gained from all these? 5 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by IkedisEbube: 9:20am On May 28, 2017 |
IgboAmakaa: Illiterate. 10 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Zeinymira(f): 9:34am On May 28, 2017 |
Seun, front-page please. My uncle has to see this. He only read the front-page and he's a guest. 12 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by EvilMetahuman: 9:40am On May 28, 2017 |
aribisala0:good one bro. I will keep referring any flat head who shouts marginalisation to this thread Very hateful people. 7 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Thastie(f): 9:44am On May 28, 2017 |
Afam4eva should just find one corner and cry himself to stupor ![]() ![]() Henryy 14 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Thastie(f): 9:46am On May 28, 2017 |
IgboAmakaa: Sweetheart, just find a hole and crawl inside and die ![]() 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Thastie(f): 9:47am On May 28, 2017 |
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Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by wirinet(m): 9:51am On May 28, 2017 |
deedeedee1: I doubt Yoruba's having a separate country would eliminate ethnic sentiments and therefore lead to a peaceful country. There are lots of intertribal political conflicts within the Yoruba's, it has remained mainly unnoticed because it has been eclipsed by a bigger interethnic and interregional conflicts. Once the bigger inter ethnic rivalries disappear, the local rivalries would escalate. In Ogun state there is fierce political rivalry between the Ijebus and Egbas. In Yoruba land generally, the Oyo axis is perceived to be too domineering. Even the Royal fathers are not left our of the unhealthy rivalries. Remember during the first republic when the regions were semi autonomous, the SW was the most unstable. |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by Thastie(f): 9:51am On May 28, 2017 |
IgboAmakaa: Honey, it will send you to your grave first ![]() 16 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by EvilMetahuman: 10:09am On May 28, 2017 |
raumdeuter:lol Why did you ever stop anyway? Once a soldier should always be a soldier. Dayokanu, desola, ileke idi, shymex, I think used to give these hateful people really tough time then. And those are the ones who are a bit intelligent and ready to debate not these set of clowns who filled nairaland now. They only know how to shout oduo afonja ![]() 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by EvilMetahuman: 10:34am On May 28, 2017 |
SuperS1Panther:exactly. He opened my eyes to be honestly. I used to believe all the lies these hateful flat heads spread online until I joined nairaland and read comments from him and the likes. I like desola too. One of the reasons I really don't debate him much on this forum. He is one of the few people I respect on this forum. His depth and stuff. 11 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by FFKfuckedBIANCA: 10:36am On May 28, 2017 |
wirinet:Prior to the 1960 independence, the golden days in the history of the Western region was the period when the region attained self governing status till the eve of independence. Awolowo was the premier during this period, and the region was the most peaceful and developed The Awolowo and Akintola feud which led to operation wetie in the western region could be traced to the existence of ''one Nigeria.'' If the Yoruba nation hadn't be part of an independent Nigeria, Awolowo would not have been the opposition leader in the federal parliament; The NPC/NCNC led coalition government would not have attempted to capture the west by hook or crook; some elements within the A.G would not have tried to usurp Awo's powers in the region. I agree with you about the rivalry that exist among the subgroups within the Yoruba nation, but such rivalries are not as pronounced as it was in the days of yore. The Yoruba's are not ready to fight any Kiriji war among themself again. Moreso, federalism and devolution of powers in its truest form would be practised in a separate Yoruba country. 18 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by joeyfire(m): 10:52am On May 28, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Akintola told some despicable lies here and twisted the truth to whip up anti-igbo sentiment to impress the north and service his ambition to upstage Awolowo Secondly Akintola was targeted by the coup plotters because he was part of the government and let's not forget the instigator of the western region crisis highlighted by massive election rigging and anarchy which claimed thousands of Yoruba lives. Not because of this degenerate hate speech you reproduced here. It's your prerogative to swim in your hatred and prejudice but historical lies must be busted. ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by FFKfuckedBIANCA: 11:09am On May 28, 2017 |
joeyfire:Why dont you point out the lies specifically. Is it a lie that Eni Njoku and Kennth Dike, two ibo men, were VC's of University of Lagos and University of Ibadan while better and qualified Yoruba's were denied those positions in their own land. If you say the ibo coupist killed Akintola because he was part of the government, why did they not kill ibo politicians who were also part of the same government? Why was Azikiwe spared? What of Kingsley Mbadiwe, Micheal Okapara and other ibos, why did the ibo coupist not kill them also? 20 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by omohayek: 11:24am On May 28, 2017 |
wirinet:This analysis is too simplistic, and some aspects are simply outright wrong. In addition, it ignores historical precedent from elsewhere around the world. To begin with, it simply isn't true that there is "fierce political rivalry between the Ijebus and Egbas"; there may be such rivalry between some individual politicians, but that's not the same as saying that ordinary Ijebus and Egbas view themselves in the same way, and my own personal first-hand experience is that the only places one sees any traces of such supposed "rivalry" is on the pages of a few newspapers. Egba and Ijebu people have been socializing and intermarrying for so long that even Awolowo himself was the product of such a union. As for the notion that anyone perceives an "Oyo axis", let alone one that is "too domineering", I've never seen the slightest hint of anything of the sort anywhere. The 1960s era of Akintola/Fani-Kayode are now 50 years in the past, with few Yoruba people alive today having any first-hand knowledge of such strife. What strife there has been in Oyo has been within the state itself, particularly between the Adedibu political machine and its rivals, and this had no regionalist coloration. The royal fathers issue you raise is the most misleading, as it presumes that Yoruba people give more real deference to such title-holders than is actually the case. Just because people show outward respect to the holder of a title doesn't mean that they hold any such reverence for the individual rather than the position, and it certainly doesn't mean they intend to take political advice from any such title holders: if the Alake and the Awujale decide to start up yet another silly squabble over precedence, or the Alaafin tries to dispute seniority with the Ooni, most Yoruba people I know will feel irritation and embarrassment at the title-holders for dragging their institutions into disrepute, rather than any sense of obligation to take seriously whatever nonsense they might spout, and the same holds for elite Yoruba politicians. Obasanjo's respect for the Awujale didn't force him to swallow the latter's demands, while Tinubu could show respect for the Oba of Lagos even after forcefully rejecting his "lagoon" comments. Finally, a point worth stressing whenever people bring up historical strife within a people as evidence for future discord is that history does not support the notion of the past as a reliable guide in such matters. England had its Wars of the Roses, but united successfully afterwards, and Germans were never united under a single political leadership before 1871, Germany going to war with Austria as late as 1866, but that didn't make pan-German consciousness any less real or effective afterwards (with well-known consequences for the rest of Europe between 1939 and 1945). Similarly, that the Japanese had spent several hundred years in civil wars against each other didn't prevent them from being firmly united under Tokugawa rule. Even after the Tokugawa were overthrown, there were still sectional tensions between Satsuma, Choshu and other Japanese clans, but their success in overcoming such issues was soon evident enough to the world. South Korea is still plagued with regionalism till today, and yet the country is a success by any reasonable measure. http://www.geocurrents.info/geopolitics/elections/intense-regionalism-in-the-south-korean-presidential-election-of-2012 Heck, even the United States was nowhere nearly as "united" at the very beginning, when the settlers viewed their various states as their true "countries", and insisted on a confederation so weak as to prove dysfunctional, and only at that point did they select representatives to draw up a truly federal constitution for a central government with real power. In short, it's not at all clear that Nigeria's constituent parts are doomed to become unstable, conflict-ridden states, whatever their histories of strife in the past. Successful nations have been forged from squabbling groups many, many times in recorded history, with the key question being whether there is some basis for a feeling of unity in shared culture and language, or at least in political ideals; none of these exist for Nigeria as a whole, but they clearly do exist for at least certain regions of the country, including both the SW and the SE. Where that leaves the minority groups is another question, and from their viewpoint I can see why a Nigerian breakup might be quite undesirable. 12 Likes |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by joeyfire(m): 11:25am On May 28, 2017 |
FFKfuckedBIANCA: I honestly can't say WHY those two Igbo men were appointed VC of UI and Unilag but I can ask WHY NOT? A fulani man was Mayor of Enugu at that same time as we all know. A Yoruba man was also chief accountant in Enugu at the time and of course there were qualified Igbo accountants for the job. Unless you can help me with facts as to the better qualified Yoruba sons who were intentionally left out I really can't answer that. I believe that Nigeria then was a very different load from the divided mess of today. I believe politicians like Akintola divided this country and prompted questions like what you have asked. As for why the coupists (who were not all Igbo by the way) didn't kill Zik and Okpara, let us not forget that Zik was not in the country when the coup hit and Okpara didn't shoot at them, he was hosting the President of Cyprus when they came for him. You will be incorrect to allude to the fact that the coup plotters aimed to take out every single person in government. Not so. Read "Why we struck" by Ademoyega (one of the coupists) and you will get a clearer picture |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by shukuokukobambi: 11:32am On May 28, 2017 |
Cypmeni: Are you really dumb or making a serious effort today? We are talking Senate you're talking house of reps? Were there no Yoruba ACN senators in the senate then? Why didn't you crybabies work for the emergence of one of them? in fact, why are you still crying marginalization with Ekwerremmadu as deputy Senate president? Is this dumbness or just pure hate? The irony is even that a Yoruba man called Saraki was instrumental to the emergence of Ekwerremmadu. Shouldn't you say thank you for that magnanimity? ![]() ![]() Yoruba gave azikiwe a break in politics. Yoruba gave GEJ the presidency. Yoruba gave Ekwerremmadu the deputy senate presidency. Your well being is in our hands as you can see ![]() A certain Akunyili played more in GEJ emergence from Yaradua kitchen cabinet shadows than the entire Yoruba race ever did, so you can cut the crap about installing GEJ. Of course its your style to belittle the help you receive in your time of need. Or have you said thanks for the properties you collected back in 1970 even when your ikwerre cousins and ijaw masters were singing abandoned properties all over Niger Delta? The eternal chest beaters and ultimatum givers. If OBJ being Yoruba rubs you the wrong way, take a trip to the lagoon. So I should disown OBJ to please you? Have you disowned azikiwe for eating amala and ewedu with me in Lagos, speaking for one Nigeria while your ancestors were being wasted in 1967? When I see olorunsogo 1&2 power plants, I know OBJ isn't a bastard. When I see papalanto 1&2 power plants, I know OBJ is a son of his father ![]() ![]() Even the akunyili would have remained unknown if not for OBJ, Yoruba again ![]() Greedy hateful bitter lots!! ![]() 18 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Yoruba Marginalization: Elders Met Jonathan To Complain - SMH by shukuokukobambi: 11:45am On May 28, 2017 |
FFKfuckedBIANCA: ![]() ![]() It must be because they repented of government criminality just as the coupists were about shooting them and shuku okuko alasete accepted their repentance. The sense and wisdom of a powder seller ![]() ![]() 13 Likes |
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