komekn:


The Dutch league is ranked 13th In Europe and the second tier will probably be on par with English League 2. He hasn't set this lowly league on fire, after 30 games he has scored 2 goals.

These are not stats that get you to league 1 in England. He has no justification to be in the SE other than if Osimhen is there, why not me

How can the Dutch second tier be the equivalent of league 2? U do too much hyping of England but wat have they won? Anyway I never said that he should be invited but I wouldn't be against it just like I'm not against Osimhen.

zicky:
And after his injury he wasn't invited back to the SE because of his past record, that's what I'm saying, so injury should not be an excuse fo oshimen.

which season was joel obi free and was not invited?
We are talking about the future and you are talking about the past

tbaba1234:


Osimhen signed officially during the winter break and was injured soon after. When would he have had his debut? He only recovered at the end of the season and was immediately thrust into the first team.

Orji on the other hand was fit all season and got his chance eventually.

so base on merit who should be called to the SE

zicky:
so base on merit who should be called to the SE

That's the thing. There are other factors at play. Rohr has seen what Osimhen can do several times in training. Orji is a fresh book to him.

zicky:
so base on merit who should be called to the SE

none of them merit the super eagle
but oshimen will be ahead of orji currently

BascoVanVeli:

How can the Dutch second tier be the equivalent of league 2? U do too much hyping of England but wat have they won? Anyway I never said that he should be invited but I wouldn't be against it just like I'm not against Osimhen.

is like he is an agent and has his players in england

maidaboi:
none of them merit the super eagle
but oshimen will be ahead of orji currently

ahead as in he has performed better in his club or what

nelszx:

It's Dutch as Deutch can be mistaken as German and not The Netherlands

That was a typo from smart phone autocorrect. Thanks all the same.
What's ur take on that match?

Clementoke:

So which of the Number 9, who have been "proven, tested and established" has not been called sir?

Aluko

zicky:
so base on merit who should be called to the SE

The definition of merit in this context is relative and not solely dependent on game time.

Mujtahida:

Aluko

is Aluko a number 9? I used to think he plays a similar position to Iwobi

Anyway, contrary to what some may feel, I don't think Osimhen is a golden horse on this thread, a lot of people are largely indifferent about him in fact. Nobody here has ever called for his inclusion, so I don't see what makes him an 'untouchable'. The defense of Osimhen's inclusion has more tto do with keeping faith in Rohr than protecting Osimhen.

As far as I know, the only golden boys on this thread are Mikel, Iheanacho and Iwobi and then maybe Etebo and Alampasu come close.

Uhmmm, good morning, u want them to come after you with that your last paragraph.

safarigirl:
is Aluko a number 9? I used to think he plays a similar position to Iwobi

Anyway, contrary to what some may feel, I don't think Osimhen is a golden horse on this thread, a lot of people are largely indifferent about him in fact. Nobody here has ever called for his inclusion, so I don't see what makes him an 'untouchable'. The defense of Osimhen's inclusion has more tto do with keeping faith in Rohr than protecting Osimhen.

As far as I know, the only golden boys on this thread are Mikel, Iheanacho and Iwobi and then maybe Etebo and Alampasu come close.

safarigirl:
is Aluko a number 9? I used to think he plays a similar position to Iwobi

Anyway, contrary to what some may feel, I don't think Osimhen is a golden horse on this thread, a lot of people are largely indifferent about him in fact. Nobody here has ever called for his inclusion, so I don't see what makes him an 'untouchable'. The defense of Osimhen's inclusion has more tto do with keeping faith in Rohr than protecting Osimhen.

As far as I know, the only golden boys on this thread are Mikel, Iheanacho and Iwobi and then maybe Etebo and Alampasu come close.

I Was just being sarcastic when I mentioned Aluko. Osimhen should not be so much an issue. His invite should even be looked upon positively in the sense that it provides us with an opportunity to settle his credibility once and for all. Where's the clamour for Odey and Olatubosun today?
Osimhen = my fingers crossed.

adegwurulez:

The definition of merit in this context is relative and not solely dependent on game time.

I see, not dependent on game time or club performance but on favouritism or I just like him.

zicky:
I see, not dependent on game time or club performance but on favouritism or I just like him.

This season, simmy Nwankwo, Fred Friday, Stephen odey, Joseph Akpala, Ighalo, salami, Ajayi, Martins, Awoniyi all have more playing time in their belts than iheanacho. I guess we should call one of them in his stead just so we don't seem biased

TheGoodJoe:


It is baffling that people take their time to break down their reasons for taking a particular side of a debate and you come up with such ridiculous and baseless statement as the above.

None of us called for the inclusion of Osimhen to the best of my knowledge. What I am certain is that most of us know we have a gem in this young man.

The actions by the team mangers at Wolfsburg, Amunike, Siasia and Rohr certifies our beliefs that he is quality. You can keep viewing analysis from the spectacle of playing time but the fact is that football is deeper than that.

To the best of my knowledge, nobody said Osimhen is not talented, even Million Koma is talented. The question have been if he has done enough to merit a senior national team call up in the past season? The answer is a resounding No! If we had qualified for the U20 world cup in Korea, he might not even be a sure starter for the team because someone else must have stepped up to the plate, just like Awoniyi stepped up and took Isaac Success's place at the last championship.

tbaba1234:


Some people might have their favorites but Rohr has seen more of Osimhen than anyone here.

How about those Rohr haven't seen? Have Rohr taken a close up look at Fenando Adi, Nwakaeme, Paul Onachu? If not for the pressure mounted in him, ONYEKURU and Kayode wouldn't have been invited.
These 4 players between them have scored. (+/-) 100 goals this season.
Why doesn't he want to see these other top performers?

Don't try to justify the inclusion of an inactive player in place of those who have actually performed this season.

adegwurulez:

This season, simmy Nwankwo, Fred Friday, Stephen odey, Joseph Akpala, Ighalo, salami, Ajayi, Martins, Awoniyi all have more playing time in their belts than iheanacho. I guess we should call one of them in his stead just so we don't seem biased

Nacho is a first team player for Nigeria, he has prove himself both for club and country so both situation are not thesame, oshimen has done nothing to warrant his invitation in the first play.
When a player who is just returning from injury with no first team experience is being invited to the SE while fans had to cry before Onyekuru was invited, then you know something is amiss

still don't understand why Paul onuachu has not gotten a call-up. the dude is a good finisher

Sentiment aside, the Invitation of Osimhen is wrong. Like some Dudes here, I keep asking myself the justification behind his Invitation but I couldn't come up with any tangible Reason.

Some are saying the Coach knows what he's doing and believes in the Potentials of the Lad, but to me that's simply an Excuse. Why are we clamoring for Iheanacho to leave Man City for any Club for playing Time?!

Is it not because we want him to justify the Coach's Confidence in him as well as for him to perfect his Skills on the Pitch?! Ain't we sure of his Potentials?! Osimhen should have been allowed to fully recuperate and prove himself next Season before inviting him to the SE Camp.

45 mins of playing Time for a whole Season doesn't justify his Inclusion in the Team presently.

u20 WC Italy 0-1 Zambia ..those chipolopolos are good oo

ChrisKels:


That was a typo from smart phone autocorrect. Thanks all the same.

What's ur take on that match?

Though CIV fielded their new entrants in the team they were still a decent side but didn't gel at all in the game. The Dutch (almost B team) came to the party.
BTW friendly game is to assess the players and Wilmot had many to assess. It's just time before the CIV gel into a formidable unit but that absence of Yaya was greatly felt their midfielders couldn't hold their own against the Dutch. Watch them beat the team they play this week

enomakos:
who is adeboye?

chaiii you dey look naija games so

nah our modakeke high chief coach first name

zicky:
Nacho is a first team player for Nigeria, he has prove himself both for club and country so both situation are not thesame, Osimhen has done nothing to warrant his invitation in the first play.
When a player who is just returning from injury with no first team experience is being invited to the SE while fans had to cry before Onyekuru was invited, then you know something is amiss

There is no gold standard as to what merit is, that is the whole point of this argument. I'm neither pro nor anti oshimen. Where I come in is that point where you guys try as much as possible to make it seem like playing time is the sole criteria for a national team invite. Same thing played out with Mikel leading to the world cup.
It is forgivable though. We've seen too much of nepotism in national affairs to raise the red flag at the sight of trivial things like this.

do4luv14:

chaiii you dey look naija games so
nah our modakeke high chief coach first name

it is adegboye not adeboye

enomakos:
it is adegboye not adeboye

great na you know

nelszx:

Though CIV fielded their new entrants in the team they were still a decent side but didn't gel at all in the game. The Dutch (almost B team) came to the party.
BTW friendly game is to assess the players and Wilmot had many to assess. It's just time before the CIV gel into a formidable unit but that absence of Yaya was greatly felt their midfielders couldn't hold their own against the Dutch. Watch them beat the team they play this week

The Dutch team was very strong.

TheSuperNerd:
@first bolded... last tournament meaning 2013 right... ofcos I know that... I was only stating where I started following Ajagun's Progress... From the U-17s and his days at Dolphins of PHC.



@second bolded.... didn't you read where I said it is uncommon for an African player playing in the no.10 role in the top 7-10 leagues...? Wasn't that meant to be a huge compliment for Ajagun..... ?
And nope... Eredivisie is not a top 5 league in Europe. Get those facts right... that is why I said top 7-10.

@Third bolded..... Etebo has shown his versatility since his days with the U-23s and since his days at Warri Wolves... Etebo's excellent versatility is what gave him the chance to be invited in the first place. Let Ajagun show same and see if he will be ignored for long...


@fourth bolded..... I don't quite understand what you mean here... best no.10 in Europe? or Nigeria's best no.10 in Europe based on who is actually playing regularly in the no.10 role?

Is Ajagun better than Mikel, Iwobi and even Iheanacho in the no.10 role?

Is he more versatile than Etebo? they both can play no.10... Etebo can also play RMF/RWF, LMF/LWF, CMF, DMF, CF, SS, and his energy levels suggest he can execute the full back roles for us if taken there too.... Etebo is a super Beast.... is that who you compare Ajagun to in terms of Versatility?

Can Ajagun play DMF with distinction? Can he play CF? Can he even trump Etebo in the SS role? Na wa....


@Fifth bolded.... Good! About time....

That is why you need to know his performance did not stop at 2013. He went on to play for Panathiako from 2014- 2016 consistently, won the Greek cup, his club placed second behind the club that destroyed bigger clubs in the Champions League, and most importantly, one of the key players in the team yet dem say make em dey work while baboon dey chop. Dey just ignore hard working player for players wey no prove anything before they were called.


Because I already knew where you were driving at, so I asked, Can you please mention one Nigerian player in the top 5 leagues in the world playing constantly(I am regularly) in the no 10 role with facts?


Do you mean Ajagun who singlehandedly helped Dolphin fc to win the league, who was among U20 Caf XI team of the tournament (despite not winning), won MOTM severally in all the clubs he played until now, won team of the week many times in all those leagues including this season etc, showing is versatility in all those competitions, has not done enough to be noticed? Shuuuu!

This season alone, Ajagun has played in more than 4 roles for his club in Europe, majority as an ATM but that can't be said of Etebor who has only played 3 roles for his club this season, majorly as a LW.

Remember, Ajagun has played in the no 10 role consistently for his clubs both in Nigeria and abroad.

Why is Etebor not considered or entrusted to play ATM constantly for his club if they rated him highly as a no10?

Because this is Europe were there is a level playing field, no sentiment attacked to selection of players.

This is enough to prove Ajagun better pass Etebor in that role when tested both locally and internationally. Statistics are there to see.

I do not regard his performance at the National team because many players didn't get there on merit in the first place. Therefore, the National team can't be set for the benchmark for rating players.

That's why I said give those who are doing well the chance to prove themselves then from there we can do the ratings.

But for now, Abdul Ajagun is better than Etebor in that role.

Yes! Abdul Ajagun is the best Nigerian no 10 in Europe because he is virtually the only Nigerian playing in that role regularly and constantly.

Commot Mikel Obi the baba for there abeg.

I don't think Iheanacho is better than Ajagun in that no 10 role because if Iheanacho is better he wouldn't have been converted to a Striker in Manchester City.

Iheanacho is a s/s to me. Until I see him play no 10 regularly for his club, I will say Abdul Ajagun better pass him in that role.

You can't lay claims to all those roles you ascribed to Etebo just to prove a point,or do you have facts to back it up?


Because these two seasons in Europe, Etebor has only been deployed on only 3 positions. He has never played beyond Rw, Lw and ATM. Am I wrong?


But I can prove with facts that Abdul Ajagun has been played in more than 5 roles, to be precise 6, for his club in Europe e.g RF, LF, RM(same role with Victor Moses), Lw, ATM and CMF. In a level playing field environment,and not the magomago ways in the National team.

From these poinst of view, I can authoritatively and confidently say Abdul Ajagun is more versatile and a better player than Etebor. The records are there to see.

We shouldn't assume back them up with proven facts.


Give the chance in the National team before you make conclusions that Ajagun can't play all those roles equally or even more better than Etebor because Etebor has never been played in those roles in Europe. Chikena!


The first two snapshots show Abdul Ajagun's roles in his clubs.

The last snapshot shows Etebor Oghenekaro's roles in his club.

Judge, who is more versatile?

All this crezy about inviting every Tom, dick, and he,ry,
who had been scoring or playing regularly for their respective teams should stop, I repeat shud stop,

ROHR is the coach and if he feels those players he had are enuf, then its enuf,

lets all stop here and let his result judge him,
awesomely he knows wat he was doing, and is getting if right,

so the call for this player and that player is a distraction, let him face his duty shekina!!!!!

goldfish80:

How about those Rohr haven't seen? Have Rohr taken a close up look at Fenando Adi, Nwakaeme, Paul Onachu? If not for the pressure mounted in him, ONYEKURU and Kayode wouldn't have been invited.
These 4 players between them have scored. (+/-) 100 goals this season.
Why doesn't he want to see these other top performers?

Don't try to justify the inclusion of an inactive player in place of those who have actually performed this season.

Onyekuru and Kayode forced their call-up by continously scoring not by any pressure. Who and who were applying pressure?

We have already seen that he does not make drastic changes and prefers his team to evolve gradually. The coach mentioned that the Osimhen role is geared towards the future not today.

BascoVanVeli:


The Dutch team was very strong.

The Ivorians played like they have never played together before well the Dutch paraded a near strong team on the night

Na wa. To determine the golden horses, the question is who is indispensable as regards starting for us when we have a full house. Please don't put etebo in that league of maybes. I won't start Iwobi against Cameroon. Etebo has been unplayable CONSISTENTLY. No commit sin o..

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And you no mention a whole Victor Moses. I hope say u no get hidden criteria

safarigirl:
is Aluko a number 9? I used to think he plays a similar position to Iwobi

Anyway, contrary to what some may feel, I don't think Osimhen is a golden horse on this thread, a lot of people are largely indifferent about him in fact. Nobody here has ever called for his inclusion, so I don't see what makes him an 'untouchable'. The defense of Osimhen's inclusion has more tto do with keeping faith in Rohr than protecting Osimhen.

As far as I know, the only golden boys on this thread are Mikel, Iheanacho and Iwobi and then maybe Etebo and Alampasu come close.