Vokog:


Well, I know quite a lot about the religion and about other religions. I have read about the history of the Islamic world and other parts of the world. I know terrorism is only a very recent phenomenon within Islam, which arose within curious circumstances. And I know various religions can be used as an excuse for any malicious action. The western roman empire used Christianity and the bible as an excuse for the crusades, which was clearly a political movement. That doesn't mean Christianity supports killing of innocent people or that Christians are bad.

Ehm, last time I checked, Boko haram amd Alshabab swore allegiance to ISIS and Al Qaeda. This proves they are cut from the same cloth. I invite you to read about terrorist attacks in various countries and examine the result of the attacks and the effect they have on the political and economic balance of the state. Also examine the immediate actions of western governments and corporations in their efforts to "ease" and "curb" the unrest. Have you asked yourself who is sponsoring boko-haram? Where they are getting their sophisticated weapons from? We all have brains. Let's use it.

felixomor:


Young man, stop deceiving yourself.
The crusades came after Islam had forcefully and murderously taken over mid east, north africa and parts of europe which were predominantly Christian.
Go and check.

Meanwhile Isis just attacked Philippines, the excuse that they attack western govts for bombarding them doesnt hold water on Philippines.

You don know anything about these people.

Vokog:


I never said I was going to just post proof and dazzle everyone. I said, explicitly, that I wasn't going to bore anyone with data. I could do that if I wanted, but that would just be boring. However, what I rightly said I was going to do, was to have a debate with people who hold your kind of views. They'd present their arguments and I'll disprove them. And since the inception of this thread, no one has presented any valid argument. Just vitrols and screaming. My goal first and foremost is to understand your views and why you hold them, then I'll tell you why those views are flawed.

Vokog:


Lol. Who didn't forcibly and murderously take over territories during the ancient and medieval times? How did the western roman empire and the eastern orthodox byzantine empire expand? Even before that, how did the then Roman empire spread it's tendrils around the world?

Vokog:

Prior to the crusades, do you know how Christian Europe thrived? Do you know how they lived? Weren't there murderous wars within christian Europe prior to the crusades?

Vokog:

Weren't murderous wars conducted after the crusades?

Vokog:

Have you heard of the Spanish inquisition? Justifying the crusades, despite how heinous and barbaric they were, by referring to how Islam expanded during it's golden age is just the weakest argument to present. Jeez.

Vokog:

If we establish the origin and main objective of ISIS in the middle east, and who exactly is funding and aiding them, all other questions become easy to answer.

Kathmandu:
He is just confused. The only atheist i take serious is Seun not all these boys looking for attention

rhektor:


Your point number 4 is way way ambiguous as it make no sense to me maybe you should explain it better

felixomor:

Oh but u were trying to use Crusades to drag Christianity in meanwhile, u are now trying to change it to empire.

That asides, the Romans conquered but didnt spread religion. On the other hand, The areas conquered by Islam in mid east, north africa and Europe were people who jad accepted early Christianity from the Apostles just by preaching. It wasnt by terrorist activities.

And those wars were not religious wars like the one ISIS is fighting.
Where their aim is to force you to sumbit to their religion.

sorry, u were the one who was trying to use the crusades to Justify islamic terrorism.
because u obviously didnt know that crusades started after violent islamic expansion in mid east and north africa.

Till then you are only beating around the bush.

Vokog:


You seem to have a poor understanding of the difference between conquest and terrorism. This alone makes me feel like I am wasting my time arguing with you.

Vokog:

Islamic conquest wasn't primarily intended to force people under their religion.

Vokog:

It was a political movement, where Islam was the unifying thread.

Vokog:

Please read about Islamic history from varied sources. I used to argue so ignorantly like you are doing until I read books about Islamic history. Do you know during Islamic empires like the Ottoman empire, people were allowed to practice their religion? Like Jews, Muslims and Christians lived peacefully in the same society, unlike in western Europe where people were killed for religious dissent.

Vokog:

Could you explain how ISIS has forced anyone to submit to their religion through terrorist attacks?

Vokog:

What are you even saying. Who doesn't know that the crusades started after Islamic expansion?

Vokog:

And since you are so fixated on the violent expansion of Islam, how about the violent expansion of the Mongols? Were they also motivated by religion?

Vokog:

Just pay attention to the conversations on this thread. You'll get your proof.

impossible27:
[s]Nice one op. the problem there is that the Islamic scholars around the world are not helping the Muslims at all.

* Someone will will wear a bumb, come out, shout Allah akbah and blow herself up thereby killing people. instead of these scholars to condem the act, they will keep mute. they are not even working on how they will build a strong social media like CNN, BBC etc. (although press TV is trying but not good enough).

* These scholars and imams are either connected to a terrorist or they knew who is connected to such act but they will never report, instead they will be shouting "Islam is peace" thinking people are stupid. they forgot this is not 1400 years ago, this is information age, everyone now have access to internet, media to get information before they believe in anything. only the illiterate believe what he is told without researching.

* The Muslims can't defend their fults in their holy book. almost 90% of Muslims which are born in the religion dosnt even know the quran. they only do what their Mohammed did which include killing...

Pls don't quote me if you don't have brain to avoid insult[/s]

Demmzy15:
Hypocrite, Muslims have been condemning this people years before they even started bombing. Muslim scholars refuted the books of their leaders.

Even on Nairaland, Muslims have created countless threads refuting and condemning their attacks. What do you say "they're practicing taquiya", "you're fake Muslims, terrorists are real Muslims ".

Seriously I'm tired, what else do you want?! I read an article some time ago titled "Muslims are condemning terrorism, but you're not listening". I guess you aren't listening!

Kathmandu:
You still ended up saying Nothing.


You call yourself an atheist and you are trying to prpve Islamic terrorist who are vast in the Quran and use it as a basis for their actions.



Are you more knowledgeable in Islam than Osama bin Laden the Muslim terrorist.



Go and engage yourself in a meaningful thing biko

Kathmandu:
Vokog. I don't try to investigate a charcoal to know if there is
White in its Blackness.

I don't do political correct nonsense so you can continue to talk your nonsense until you meet a BH member and you explain this gibberish to them.



Don't bother to reply me because i don't think i have time for all those delusions you spill there

rhektor:
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Probably you have not watched any of the Alqaeda videos, ISIS videos or Bokoharam videos. If you have you wouldn't come here and open a thread to disgrace yourself. Please when next you think of opening a thread be sure of what you want to talk (write) about. You should also be ready to present prove. Until then maybe you should take a bow

Angel196:


Please just admit its the hate you have for Islam that is making you ignore all that has been said here.

Political correctness you say? So you do know he is correct, thanks for admitting it.

Book hara are Islamic terrorist right? Can you then tell me why mosques has been one of their target places?

As I've always said, when you hate something you go as far as accepting any lies fabricated against it and reject any truth about it if it affects the illusions you use in justifying your hatred against it.

Kathmandu:
What's my business with a religion that puts women down?



Take your Islam and go find your kind

Vokog:
I would like to preface the body of my post with this caveat: I am not a Muslim. In fact, I am an atheist, and I have been an atheist for two years, and I am still am atheist. I was formally christian and I have no affiliation with Islam whatsoever. The only affiliation I have with Islam, is that the people who subscribe to it are humans like myself, and as such, they don't deserve to be smeared, stereotyped, and painted in a negative light, to further an agenda. That's essentially why I decided to create this thread - To disillusion people from the lies that they have been made to believe about Islam and about terrorism.

I am not going to bore anyone with a long op. What I'd do however, is that I will allow anyone who wants contribute to air their own arguments about why they think the premise of my post is wrong, or why they think Islamic terrorism is an inherently Islamic phenomenon and I'll refute EVERY argument.

Mods, please don't move this to the Muslim section. It would defeat its purpose.

DunceNLMods:
Vokog is a fool. Do not argue with a fool.

aminusanti:

My friend waste no time on this confused clown felixomor , he is well known for derailing thread here on NL

Vokog:
I would like to preface the body of my post with this caveat: I am not a Muslim. In fact, I am an atheist, and I have been an atheist for two years, and I am still am atheist. I was formally christian and I have no affiliation with Islam whatsoever. The only affiliation I have with Islam, is that the people who subscribe to it are humans like myself, and as such, they don't deserve to be smeared, stereotyped, and painted in a negative light, to further an agenda. That's essentially why I decided to create this thread - To disillusion people from the lies that they have been made to believe about Islam and about terrorism.

I am not going to bore anyone with a long op. What I'd do however, is that I will allow anyone who wants contribute to air their own arguments about why they think the premise of my post is wrong, or why they think Islamic terrorism is an inherently Islamic phenomenon and I'll refute EVERY argument.

Mods, please don't move this to the Muslim section. It would defeat its purpose.

Akiintom:

Kikikikikikiki..... He's Now felixomoron. That dude stinks all over.

Akiintom:


Islam can say the terrorists doesn't represent it, but the terrorists are the creation of Islamic indoctrination.

Again, if you understand the neural processes, by which the emotion of love and anger/hate, are activated, by suggestion. Then you will know, how Quranic verses, that incites violence, can create terrorists.

Angel196:


So your proof that the above terrorist are Islamic terrorist are because they say so? You believe liars and murderers and reject words stated by the clean ones then? Okay, I get you they are Islamic terrorists.

So now that we've established they are Islamic terrorists, causing mayhem and havoc all in the name of their god and to spread their religion all over the world can you please tell me why dropping bombs in mosques during prayer sections are part of their agenda? Or maybe they got info that infidels were the ones disguised as muslims praying there right?

Until some you start posting the verses that support this act of terrorism in the Quran you're are all spewing ignorance. Sorry.

Vokog:


Well, I believe Islamic terrorism is a phenomenon covertly coordinated by the United states central intelligence agency - CIA, along with the The Israeli Intelligence Agency - The Mossad, the British Intelligence unit - The MI6, and the Saudi Arabia government.

These agencies and governments have lots of goals, which is clearly being unravelled. Among these goals is the balkanization of the countries in the middle east, for financial interests and curiously, Israeli Zionist interests.

10 days after the September 2001 attacks, former NATO general Wesley Clark, visited the pentagon and was invited by one of the staffs to his office. The staff at the pentagon told him that the US had already made a decision to invade Iraq. Note that this was 2 years before the US invaded Iraq. Wesley Clark was also shown a document few days later document that listed countries the US had planned to take down. The countries included. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Lebanon, Somalia and Iran. Bear in mind that this was just in 2001. By the way, there is video and written proof of what I just said, online. You can do your research.
When you examine what's happening and what has happened in the world, the countries that were listed in this document are currently shrouded in a terrorist environment and the state of their government is nothing to write home about. Clearly the goal of that document has been partially achieved, except in Iran.

And you might say, why would Israel and US carry out these patently evil deeds. Well all you have to do examine history. This isn't the first time the United states or Israel is orchestrating these kind of events to fulfill their own interests. Read about Operation Ajax, where the CIA staged coups in Iran to overthrow a leader who nationalize Iranian resources and even paid rebels to attack mosques and social monuments.
Or read about Operation Susannah aka the Lavon Affair, where Israeli military bombed British and American targets and blamed it on Egypt.
Or better still read about Operation Northwoods where people from the US government drafted a plan to attack it's own citizens and blame it on the Cuban government, so they could have an excuse to invade Cuba. Luckily President John. F. Kennedy refused the plan. See what happened to him. The information I am sharing with you are declassified documents. These aren't speculations, these are facts that the governments involved have apologised for.

So about my number 4 point, it's not far fetched to say that establishing a stronger grip on the regulation of the internet, by extension information, and using this whole terrorism facade to goad the public into giving them this pass, is among the objectives of the powers that be.

rhektor:


All these had been debunked in the past, I don't know why you people like to round a circle like parambulator. how many verses would you like me to post here that you've not read about before now?

rhektor:



Saudi Arabia has never been an Allie of Israel I don't know where you get all these gibberish from. How could Saudi plan attack on Iran Iraq Lebanon with Isarel? Boy oh boy you got me rolling on the floor right now. Next time like I said earlier do make a reasonable assertions not just some hearsay

rhektor:



Saudi Arabia has never been an Allie of Israel I don't know where you get all these gibberish from. How could Saudi plan attack on Iran Iraq Lebanon with Isarel? Boy oh boy you got me rolling on the floor right now. Next time like I said earlier do make a reasonable assertions not just some hearsay