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Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by felixomor: 10:55am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog: Young man, stop deceiving yourself. The crusades came after Islam had forcefully and murderously taken over mid east, north africa and parts of europe which were predominantly Christian. Go and check. Meanwhile Isis just attacked Philippines, the excuse that they attack western govts for bombarding them doesnt hold water on Philippines. You don know anything about these people. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 11:14am On Jun 06, 2017 |
felixomor: Lol. Who didn't forcibly and murderously take over territories during the ancient and medieval times? How did the western roman empire and the eastern orthodox byzantine empire expand? Even before that, how did the then Roman empire spread it's tendrils around the world? Prior to the crusades, do you know how Christian Europe thrived? Do you know how they lived? Weren't there murderous wars within christian Europe prior to the crusades? Weren't murderous wars conducted after the crusades? Have you heard of the Spanish inquisition? Justifying the crusades, despite how heinous and barbaric they were, by referring to how Islam expanded during it's golden age is just the weakest argument to present. Jeez. If we establish the origin and main objective of ISIS in the middle east, and who exactly is funding and aiding them, all other questions become easy to answer. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by spartan117(m): 11:18am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog:dats not how it's done, d onus rests on u to prove dat Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. for instance, if I want to disprove newtons law of motion, I won't call out scholars to prove to me why it exists all over again, instead I would research on d commonly held beliefs and bring my valid points to disprove them 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by felixomor: 11:27am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog:Oh but u were trying to use Crusades to drag Christianity in meanwhile, u are now trying to change it to empire. That asides, the Romans conquered but didnt spread religion. On the other hand, The areas conquered by Islam in mid east, north africa and Europe were people who jad accepted early Christianity from the Apostles just by preaching. It wasnt by terrorist activities. Vokog:And those wars were not religious wars like the one ISIS is fighting. Where their aim is to force you to sumbit to their religion. Vokog:- in the name of which religion? Vokog: - sorry, u were the one who was trying to use the crusades to Justify islamic terrorism. because u obviously didnt know that crusades started after violent islamic expansion in mid east and north africa. Vokog:Well, And that is why we told u to show us the proof of who is funding them. Till then you are only beating around the bush. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by analice107: 11:47am On Jun 06, 2017 |
Kathmandu:Lol. Seun is just like them all. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 11:49am On Jun 06, 2017 |
rhektor: Well, I believe Islamic terrorism is a phenomenon covertly coordinated by the United states central intelligence agency - CIA, along with the The Israeli Intelligence Agency - The Mossad, the British Intelligence unit - The MI6, and the Saudi Arabia government. These agencies and governments have lots of goals, which is clearly being unravelled. Among these goals is the balkanization of the countries in the middle east, for financial interests and curiously, Israeli Zionist interests. 10 days after the September 2001 attacks, former NATO general Wesley Clark, visited the pentagon and was invited by one of the staffs to his office. The staff at the pentagon told him that the US had already made a decision to invade Iraq. Note that this was 2 years before the US invaded Iraq. Wesley Clark was also shown a document few days later document that listed countries the US had planned to take down. The countries included. Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan, Lebanon, Somalia and Iran. Bear in mind that this was just in 2001. By the way, there is video and written proof of what I just said, online. You can do your research. When you examine what's happening and what has happened in the world, the countries that were listed in this document are currently shrouded in a terrorist environment and the state of their government is nothing to write home about. Clearly the goal of that document has been partially achieved, except in Iran. And you might say, why would Israel and US carry out these patently evil deeds. Well all you have to do examine history. This isn't the first time the United states or Israel is orchestrating these kind of events to fulfill their own interests. Read about Operation Ajax, where the CIA staged coups in Iran to overthrow a leader who nationalize Iranian resources and even paid rebels to attack mosques and social monuments. Or read about Operation Susannah aka the Lavon Affair, where Israeli military bombed British and American targets and blamed it on Egypt. Or better still read about Operation Northwoods where people from the US government drafted a plan to attack it's own citizens and blame it on the Cuban government, so they could have an excuse to invade Cuba. Luckily President John. F. Kennedy refused the plan. See what happened to him. The information I am sharing with you are declassified documents. These aren't speculations, these are facts that the governments involved have apologised for. So about my number 4 point, it's not far fetched to say that establishing a stronger grip on the regulation of the internet, by extension information, and using this whole terrorism facade to goad the public into giving them this pass, is among the objectives of the powers that be. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 12:31pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
felixomor: You seem to have a poor understanding of the difference between conquest and terrorism. This alone makes me feel like I am wasting my time arguing with you. And those wars were not religious wars like the one ISIS is fighting. Islamic conquest wasn't primarily intended to force people under their religion. It was a political movement, where Islam was the unifying thread. Please read about Islamic history from varied sources. I used to argue so ignorantly like you are doing until I read books about Islamic history. Do you know during Islamic empires like the Ottoman empire, people were allowed to practice their religion? Like Jews, Muslims and Christians lived peacefully in the same society, unlike in western Europe where people were killed for religious dissent. Could you explain how ISIS has forced anyone to submit to their religion through terrorist attacks? sorry, u were the one who was trying to use the crusades to Justify islamic terrorism. What are you even saying. Who doesn't know that the crusades started after Islamic expansion? And since you are so fixated on the violent expansion of Islam, how about the violent expansion of the Mongols? Were they also motivated by religion? Till then you are only beating around the bush. Just pay attention to the conversations on this thread. You'll get your proof. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by felixomor: 12:47pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog: - u are the one showing poor understanding here o. You started swimming from "prove" to "crusade". Now u want to try and seperate conquest from islamic terrorism that u initially said doesn't exist.? Is Isis not fighting to conquer new territory? Are u not confused like that? Vokog:- hehehehe, who told u? Better go and study the quran. Vokog: - we already know that. But they disguise it as "peace" Vokog:- this one is pure ignorance. Go and check how the Ottoman massacred millions of Armenian Christians and converted all the early churches built by Jesus disciples in Turkey to mosques. You really need to educate yourself. Turkey used to be 90℅ Christian. Vokog:- just google what they are doing right now in Marawi, Southern Phillipines You are not current at all. Vokog:- you didnt know before. If u knew, u wont open this thread. Vokog:- violent expansion of mongols is not the topic The topic is that u want to show us that islamic terror doesn't exist. So far, u have not. Vokog:We have been waiting since 1960 I dont see any proof, till now |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by hopefulLandlord: 1:18pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
CyrusTheGreat what sayeth thou? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by impossible27(m): 1:27pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Nice one op. the problem there is that the Islamic scholars around the world are not helping the Muslims at all. * Someone will will wear a bumb, come out, shout Allah akbah and blow herself up thereby killing people. instead of these scholars to condem the act, they will keep mute. they are not even working on how they will build a strong social media like CNN, BBC etc. (although press TV is trying but not good enough). * These scholars and imams are either connected to a terrorist or they knew who is connected to such act but they will never report, instead they will be shouting "Islam is peace" thinking people are stupid. they forgot this is not 1400 years ago, this is information age, everyone now have access to internet, media to get information before they believe in anything. only the illiterate believe what he is told without researching. * The Muslims can't defend their fults in their holy book. almost 90% of Muslims which are born in the religion dosnt even know the quran. they only do what their Mohammed did which include killing... Pls don't quote me if you don't have brain to avoid insult 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Demmzy15(m): 2:58pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
impossible27:Hypocrite, Muslims have been condemning this people years before they even started bombing. Muslim scholars refuted the books of their leaders. Even on Nairaland, Muslims have created countless threads refuting and condemning their attacks. What do you say "they're practicing taquiya", "you're fake Muslims, terrorists are real Muslims ". Seriously I'm tired, what else do you want?! I read an article some time ago titled "Muslims are condemning terrorism, but you're not listening". I guess you aren't listening! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Demmzy15: I actually do pity you muslims. Because the way it's going, the powers that be, just want to eradicate your religion from the world, or at worst, turn the world against it. First they begin by creating a general conception of Islam as evil and Muslims as deranged killers. Then they ban Muslims from travelling to Europe and America. Then they keep on increasing terrorist attacks in the middle east, killing millions of Muslims in the process, while systematically sowing seeds of secterian strife by bombing Shia mosques, hence pitting Shias against Sunnis. Then they use the Saudi government to further immeserate the lives of other Muslims who aren't within the terrorist zones. The only Muslim country still standing strong and independent is Iran. And you can see the opposition Iran is receiving from the west. I just watched the highlights of the Ariana Grande show where she performed alongside other artistes like Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus, as a way of showing respect to the lives that were lost during the Manchester bombings, and lots of teenagers and youths were all emotional and in tears. This is the strongest instrument yet. What they are doing is that they are trying to sow seeds of dislike for Islam and Muslims in the mind of the young people. It's all about creating and reinforcing stereotypes. You have to give it to the powers that be. They are really smart. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 3:29pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Qasim6(m): 3:29pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Let them continue with their propaganda, it's just a matter of time.
TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 3:35pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Kathmandu: Can you please help us with the vast terrorist verses in the Quran if not you are just displaying ignorance. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 3:44pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Kathmandu: Please just admit its the hate you have for Islam that is making you ignore all that has been said here. Political correctness you say? So you do know he is correct, thanks for admitting it. Book hara are Islamic terrorist right? Can you then tell me why mosques has been one of their target places? As I've always said, when you hate something you go as far as accepting any lies fabricated against it and reject any truth about it if it affects the illusions you use in justifying your hatred against it. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 3:57pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
rhektor: So your proof that the above terrorist are Islamic terrorist are because they say so? You believe liars and murderers and reject words stated by the clean ones then? Okay, I get you they are Islamic terrorists. So now that we've established they are Islamic terrorists, causing mayhem and havoc all in the name of their god and to spread their religion all over the world can you please tell me why dropping bombs in mosques during prayer sections are part of their agenda? Or maybe they got info that infidels were the ones disguised as muslims praying there right? Until some you start posting the verses that support this act of terrorism in the Quran you're are all spewing ignorance. Sorry. 2 Likes |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 4:27pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Angel196:What's my business with a religion that puts women down? Take your Islam and go find your kind 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 4:35pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Kathmandu: Hahaha. In other words, you don't have answers to my questions. So sad to know. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by delishpot: 4:36pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog: Ptove it na. We are listening. Islam has terrorists. Yes they may be sponsored by the west but they carry it out believeing they are fighting for God. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by DunceNLMods: 5:10pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog is a fool. Do not argue with a fool. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 6:29pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
DunceNLMods: How am I a fool? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Akiintom: 7:11pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
aminusanti:Kikikikikikiki..... He's Now felixomoron. That dude stinks all over. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Akiintom: 7:20pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Vokog: Islam can say the terrorists doesn't represent it, but the terrorists are the creation of Islamic indoctrination. Again, if you understand the neural processes, by which the emotion of love and anger/hate, are activated, by suggestion. Then you will know, how Quranic verses, that incites violence, can create terrorists. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by felixomor: 7:40pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Akiintom: Mscheww. I can see u are out of the cave. Mumudeen. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 7:43pm On Jun 06, 2017 |
Akiintom: I am not saying some people who blow themselves up aren't indoctrinated. I agree certain Quranic verses if read out of context can incite people to act in certain ways. But you should consider the factors that would influence anyone to just decide to be radicalized in such manner. As much as there are bad verses in the Quran, there are also good verses that completely contradict those bad verses. So it's not really about the verses, but more about the environment and the ideologies that exist within that environment and how vulnerable the would-be terrorists are to such kind of ideology. Now, the vulnerability of such individual depends on a lot of factors. Factors like anger and hate as a result of something experienced. A perfect example is a Syrian witnessing the death of a loved one as a result of western air strikes. Another factor could be the perception of his religion and culture being under attack by the west. I am not even a muslim, and I am already convinced that Islam is currently under attack by the west. Another well documented reason for which people join ISIS is that ISIS pays them salaries and also pays their families salaries. This happens in ISIS controlled areas in Syria. But then again, even with these factors present, a radicalized individual would need weapons. So the question is, where do they get the weapons from? The earliest, most overt, although subtle delivery of weapons to ISIS was after the US left Iraq after the war of 2003. They left Iraq and deliberately left their weapons and armoured tanks for the blossoming terrorists to take control of. In intervening years, the CIA has used Saudi Arabia as a proxy to supply more weapons to ISIS and also Al-Nusra in Syria. Clearly these guys are behind ISIS, if they are, then they are systematically helping to promote whatever ideology that's successfully radicalizing people. I mean, they did this during the infamous Operation Ajax. These guys are fucking psychopaths and it's a shame Muslims allow themselves to fall prey to their malicious and insidious devices. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by rhektor(m): 2:12am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Angel196: All these had been debunked in the past, I don't know why you people like to round a circle like parambulator. how many verses would you like me to post here that you've not read about before now? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by rhektor(m): 2:18am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog: Saudi Arabia has never been an Allie of Israel I don't know where you get all these gibberish from. How could Saudi plan attack on Iran Iraq Lebanon with Isarel? Boy oh boy you got me rolling on the floor right now. Next time like I said earlier do make a reasonable assertions not just some hearsay 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 4:16am On Jun 07, 2017 |
rhektor: No it hasn't been debunked but if you can't answer me its okay. Verses that has to do with terrorism? I've read none so please do the honor of posting them here and enlightening us. You can post as many as you can since the verses are so abundant in the Quran. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by felixomor: 4:43am On Jun 07, 2017 |
rhektor: Honestly, i dont know where the guy is reading from. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 6:48am On Jun 07, 2017 |
rhektor: Learn to think before typing. It's really essential. I never said Saudi Arabia were DIRECT allies with Israel. I said the CIA has allies in Israel and Saudi Arabia. Now, let's look at facts. It's a fact that the Saudi government are the United States second biggest allies in the middle east, after Israel. It's also a fact that the Saudi government aids and funds ISIS. Now it's obviously a fact that the US government has ties with Israel, curiously a subordinate tie, where they'd bend to Israel's wimps if need be. History is replete with various instances of this. It's also a fact that Israel helps provide sanctuary and medical care for ISIS. There are pictures and videos of this online. It's also a fact the ISIS has never for once attacked Israel. It's also a fact that ISIS attacks Hamas and Hezbollah who are direct enemies of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon. One doesn't have to be a genius to see the pattern now. I never said Saudi Arabia helped Israel in attacking Iraq, Iran or Lebanon. Where did I say this? I said Saudi Arabia is acting as a US proxy in supplying ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists with weapons. These things I am saying aren't hearsay. They are facts that can easily be verified. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by deezzle(m): 8:30am On Jun 07, 2017 |
In my opinion we Muslims need to take the bold step of challenging the very idea that the Qur’an and Sunna are infallible. This will come as a shock to those of us brought up on the idea that the Qur’an is the perfect word of God, but some Muslims are already doing this. Thinkers such as Abdul Karim Soroush from Iran, Sayyed Ahmad Al-Qabbanji from Iraq and Saeed Nasheed from Morocco are questioning traditional views about the Qur’an.Saeed Nasheed, in his recent book, Modernity & the Qur’an, said: “The Qur’an is not the speech of God, just as the loaf of bread is not the work of the farmer. God produced the raw material, which was inspiration, just as the farmer produces the raw material, which is wheat. But it is the baker who turns the wheat or flour into bread according to his own unique way, artistic expertise and creative ability. Thus it is the Prophet who was responsible for interpreting the inspiration and turning it into actual phrases and words according to his own unique view.” Why is this such an essential step? Because once you stop protecting ideas on the basis that “God said it”, you create a level playing field where good ideas can battle it out with bad ideas on an equal footing. It allows reason to be the deciding factor for whether something is accepted or rejected, rather than: “Because it’s written – that’s why!” No more searching for tenuous interpretations or changing the meaning of words into something else, just so we can avoid the problematic and uncomfortable meanings. As long as we refuse to appreciate that the Qur’an may be divinely inspired but is human-authored, we will be forced to continue playing the game of the fundamentalists and disarming ourselves of the only weapon that can defeat them – reason. Only when we recognise that the Qur’an and Sunna are fallible can we free Islam from the prison of dogma we placed it in. 3 Likes 1 Share |
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