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Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 8:37am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog:From the horse's (ISIS) mouth in the 15th edition of Dabiq. Why they hate and fight disbelievers: "1. We hate you first and foremost because you are disbelievers, you reject the oneness of Allah. 2. We hate you because you are secular and liberal, you permit the things that Allah has forbidden while forbidding the things that Allah has allowed. 3. We hate you because some of you are atheist, they reject the existence of your Lord and creator. 4. We hate you for your crimes against Islam and Muslims. 5. We hate you for invading our lands. 6. Whats important to understand is that some might argue that your foreign policies are what drives our hatred but alas that reason is secondary. The fact is that even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us and usurping our lands we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam." So there you have it, Islamic State in their own words denying that they hate the West for the drones and invasions. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:32am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Papist: If we establish the fact that ISIS is funded, aided and supported by foreign elements, are we supposed to take anything they say as the reason for committing their actions? That number 6 is just plain ridiculous. It even makes it more obvious that it's all propaganda trying to deflect popular belief towards Islam as the prime motivation for the actions of ISIS. It's all propaganda against Islam and a pretext to continue their foreign intervention, which further destabilizes these countries and immeserates more lives, all in their imperialist and Zionist interests. The US and their allies aren't fooling me or anyone who is smart enough to see through their bullshit. I know how intelligent psychopaths think. And those in covert control of the US government are the worst kind of intelligent psychopaths you can ever imagine. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:44am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog:You can continue in your delusions if you like bro. ISIS is fighting to establish sharia law and a global caliphate. All its members are Sunni Muslims coming from allover the world. Whatever they do they quote the Koran and the example of their prophet Muhammad. They kill their fellow Muslims when those Muslims violate sharia laws and they have the Koran to back them on that. Noone tarnishes Islam's image but Muslims themselves through jihad and sharia. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:46am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog:You can continue in your delusions if you like bro. ISIS is fighting to establish sharia law and a global caliphate. All its members are Sunni Muslims coming from allover the world. Whatever they do they quote the Koran and the example of their prophet Muhammad. They kill their fellow Muslims when those Muslims violate sharia laws and they have the Koran to back them on that. Noone tarnishes Islam's image but Muslims themselves through jihad and sharia. If the West and the Zionists decide to benefit from the stupidity of Muslims who can blame them. Israel feels safer when Muslims are fighting each other so they can just laugh from a safe distance as their enemies exterminate each other. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 10:29am On Jun 07, 2017 |
Papist: You are the one who is being delusional and lacking not even a modicum of nuance on the subject. How does bombing an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester or attacking innocent people at a London bridge help in establishing a global caliphate? I have addressed your argument about quoting verses from the Quran many times on this thread and I am not going to do it again. Just read through my comments. There are various ideologies within Islam and there are various sects within Islam that hold extremist views. I am not disputing this fact. But believing they are representative of Islam or the views of most Muslims or most Sunni is counterfactual. That being said, you need to understand how ISIS began in order to get the full picture. Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the founder of ISIS was originally a member of the Mujahideen, the CIA trained rebel fighters during the Soviet-Afghan war, who still remain today in Afghanistan as the Taliban. Al-Zarqawi "fled" to Iraq from Afghanistan when the US invaded it in 2001. There he began propagating "his extremist ideology" and gaining followers. When Saddam hussiem was still president of Iraq, Al-Zarqawi's extremist sect was present, and Saddam was doing a good job at keeping them at bay, but when the US invaded Iraq, they ousted Saddam and created a power vacuum of which this extremist sect filled. Then the US purposefully left them weapons and armoured tanks when they left Iraq. After this, ISIS began expanding. Now since then, the US has been supplying these guys weapons and providing cover and medical attention for them through Saudi Arabia and Israel. This is a fact. From all I have said, if you are smart enough, you should be able to see through the bullshit the corporate media is feeding everyone. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by orunto27: 10:38am On Jun 07, 2017 |
It's also wickedness. Predatory life and man's inhumanity to man. May the Terrorists' ways perish IJN AMEN!!! |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by CyrusTheGreat: 11:17am On Jun 07, 2017 |
You want to prove that Islamic terrorism does not exist, and that it's all propaganda? Then go ahead and prove these things, buddy! You've made a statement, now defend it! In the meantime, I'll give my two cents on why Islamic terrorism DOES exist, and why it is NOT propaganda. Firstly, since the early 2000s, there have been numerous vigilante and suicide attacks worldwide but primarily in Islamic countries, with Western countries being second, by people who clearly identify as muslims, and follow a Quranic ideology. In 2016 there were 1'441 known terrorist attacks worldwide with connection to Salafist muslims, Jihadis, and other Islamists, from internet inspired "lone wolf" jihadis to ISIS and ISIS sympathiser groups. They comprise the overwhelming majority of all terrorist attacks worldwide. https://storymaps.esri.com/stories/terrorist-attacks/?year=2016 http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/693421/Terror-attacks-timeline-France-Brussels-Europe-ISIS-killings-Germany-dates-terrorism Secondly, Islam and Muslims are not new to using war and violence to spread their religion - in fact, it's how their religion got so big to begin with (Christianity did the same but has been defeated in many developed countries by secularism and free thinking thankfully). Since the very beginning of the religion, Islam was forged in the bloody haze of war. There were no major muslim missionaries. The "missionaries" in the Quran that approached Arabian tribes and Persian towns were tricksters who got the unwitting people to lower their guards so that the muslim wave could pillage and rape them without resistance. The very term "Islam" which means "to submit" comes from the term "Aslem Teslam" which in old Arabic meant "Submit (to Islam), have peace", which is a fancy Muslim way of saying "Surrender or die". Muhammed and the later Caliphs that took his reigns sent this message to the leaders of nations they were attempting to conquer as a threat. Islamic terrorism is simply the active side of orthodox Islam. The repression of women, the utter delusions to do with angels and deities, the rigidity and conformity to the barbaric and backwards "Shariah Law", the murder of secularism and free-speech, the disgusting and supremacist attitude towards non-muslims and apostates - all of these are qualities of ISLAM, not just Islamic extremism! You can find this in EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY (INCLUDING Nigeria!). Subsequently you also tend to find a large number of terrorist cells in every single Muslim country (Boko Haram!). From Islam is borne Islamic terrorism, and it absolutely exists. To claim propaganda is to lie or to be severely uninformed. Tell me, the people in London who drove a van into a bridge and then drew knives and attacked indiscriminately while screaming "Islam, Islam!" and "This is for Allah!" as they murdered innocent adults and children - are you seriously going to claim that their actions were not motivated by Islam? The Libyan man who blew himself up at the Manchester concert who was connected with Shariah supporters online, he was not motivated by Islam? The Paris massacres where a bunch of thugs with machineguns butchered people at a musical performance because they "Disrespected Allah", that's not motivated by Islam? Nonsense! Not only are the Jihadists 100% Muslim, 100% following Islam and 100% connected to (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim communities and (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim countries (ever see a Shia suicide bomber? Neither have I ), but they are actually BETTER muslims than the moderate muslims in Western countries, because they actually follow the real teachings of their violent and stupid and backwards religion, instead of the Moderate Muslims who cherry pick the nice things from the Quran and ignore the rot, instead of just throwing the whole nonsense religion out the window! tl;dr, Islamic terrorism is real and Islam is it's ideological gateway drug. You do not see non-muslims becoming Jihadists. That is because they are NOT. MUSLIM. and they don't BELIEVE in MUSLIM MYTHOLOGICAL NONSENSE. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 12:09pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog:You can blame the Joooos all you want but jihad and sharia started with their prophet Muhammad in Yathrib. What happened in Manchester was both jihad and sharia. Jihad because were being terrorised into submitting to the caliphate. Sharia because the girls who were murdered were engaging in activities that Allah has forbidden i.e having fun. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 1:28pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
CyrusTheGreat: It's a good thing you mentioned that terrorism is a recent phenomenon which began in the 2000s. Have you asked yourself why it began in the 2000s? And why it's been happening more in Muslim countries? If you don't know, I'll tell you. Islamic terrorism is a product of an extreme sect within Islam whose ideology was propagated by Osama bin Ladin and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. What you should note is that these two men were former allies of the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan war that lasted from 1979 to 1989. Osama bin laden was formerly a member of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt that was originally supported by the US as a force against the soviets in 1970. Osama left the Muslim brotherhood in 1980 and after that he fought alongside the Mujahideen to oppose soviet forces. Now, the Mujahideen as you should know were CIA trained forces, who have now morphed into the Taliban. Al-Zarqawi was a member of Mujahideen, and when the United states went to war with Afghanistan in 2001 on the heels of the September 11 attacks, Al-Zarqawi left Afghanistan and founded ISIS in Iraq. Al-Zarqawi's group was still small and weak and Saddam Hussein's government was doing a good Job in containing them. But when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Saddam was outsted, Iraq government was destabilized, the power vacuum left was occupied by Al-Zarqawi's sect and the Iraq military disbanded. Majority of the soldiers from the disbanded army had no choice but to join ISIS, because essentially they were jobless and broke, and ISIS paid them salaries. Another factor that empowered ISIS was the deliberate abadoning of weapons by the United States when they left Iraq after the war was ended. This was what helped ISIS grow. In the intervening years, it's been proven that the US and its allies in Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel have been aiding, supporting, providing cover, providing sanctuary and providing medical support for ISIS. All this, along with how ISIS arose, points to the fact that terrorism didn't emerge in a vaccum of Islamic fundamentalism like you are claiming. You should understand the societal dynamics that lead people to join ISIS. You should know that when ISIS conquers a region it forces the citizens under it's rule and incentivices it's population to join it by promising them and their family money. You should also understand that in this kind of war torn environments, people are very vulnerable to certain ideologies and behaviors. One just needs to look at the deranged behavior of the Rwandan Huti sect during their civil war. You should also recognize how vulnerable people can be to these kind of ideologies when they feel their religion or cultural heritage in under attack by western imperialists who bomb and kill them in thousands weekly. This kind of environment indeed acts as a seed bed for radicalization to flourish. So reducing Islamic terrorism to just a fundamentally religious problem motivated by Quranic verses is really simplistic. Secondly, Islam and Muslims are not new to using war and violence to spread their religion - in fact, it's how their religion got so big to begin with (Christianity did the same but has been defeated in many developed countries by secularism and free thinking thankfully). How is terrorism helping in spreading Islam? How has all the terrorist activities in the west helped to spread Islam? The only thing terrorism is doing is stereotyping Muslims as deranged blood thirsty murderers, who shouldn't be allowed entrance into Europe and America. Since the very beginning of the religion, Islam was forged in the bloody haze of war. There were no major muslim missionaries. The "missionaries" in the Quran that approached Arabian tribes and Persian towns were tricksters who got the unwitting people to lower their guards so that the muslim wave could pillage and rape them without resistance. The very term "Islam" which means "to submit" comes from the term "Aslem Teslam" which in old Arabic meant "Submit (to Islam), have peace", which is a fancy Muslim way of saying "Surrender or die". Muhammed and the later Caliphs that took his reigns sent this message to the leaders of nations they were attempting to conquer as a threat. One thing I have noticed with people argue in favor of your premise is that they lack knowledge of ancient and medieval history. One thing you should realize is that during the 7th century, around the time Islam arose, there wasn't a clear distinction between religion and politics like you have today. And for the early Muslims, Islam was an identity and a force that united them. But their politic aspirations and the actions that were committed as a result of those political aspirations would have happened without any religious motivation. During the 7th century, before, and even centuries after, pillage and rape was the norm of war. Armies conquered cities and plundered and raped, with or without religion. The Jews in the old testament also did the same, same as the Romans, Persians, Greeks and Mongols. The christian crusaders also committed these same atrocities, both to Jews and to Muslims. This was the kind of world Islam developed in. Islamic terrorism is simply the active side of orthodox Islam. The repression of women, the utter delusions to do with angels and deities, the rigidity and conformity to the barbaric and backwards "Shariah Law", the murder of secularism and free-speech, the disgusting and supremacist attitude towards non-muslims and apostates - all of these are qualities of ISLAM, not just Islamic extremism! You can find this in EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY (INCLUDING Nigeria!). Subsequently you also tend to find a large number of terrorist cells in every single Muslim country (Boko Haram!) You seem to have a knack for generalization. From Islam is borne Islamic terrorism, and it absolutely exists. To claim propaganda is to lie or to be severely uninformed. Tell me, the people in London who drove a van into a bridge and then drew knives and attacked indiscriminately while screaming "Islam, Islam!" and "This is for Allah!" as they murdered innocent adults and children - are you seriously going to claim that their actions were not motivated by Islam? From all indication, I am not uninformed. What's highly likely is that you are the one who is uninformed and highly gullible. The fact that people scream Allah and quote verses before conducting violence doesn't mean that they are motivated by Islam. Now I am not saying all terrorist attacks are carried out by people who aren't actually motivated by the Quran, but when you understand the forces that promote and support Islamic terrorism, that is, the United States, you become apprehensive of the information mainstream media feeds you, especially when you read history and see the various instances of false flags conducted by the US. Not only are the Jihadists 100% Muslim, 100% following Islam and 100% connected to (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim communities and (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim countries (ever see a Shia suicide bomber? Neither have I ), but they are actually BETTER muslims than the moderate muslims in Western countries, because they actually follow the real teachings of their violent and stupid and backwards religion, instead of the Moderate Muslims who cherry pick the nice things from the Quran and ignore the rot, instead of just throwing the whole nonsense religion out the window! I hope you are knowledgeable about the history of Wahhabism and who exactly is the number one supporter and propagator of Wahhabism? I'll tell you - Saudi Arabia. The prime allies of the United States, and the joint aiders of ISIS, alongside Turkey and Israel. 2 Likes |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Papist: I don't mean to sound rude, but you display a staggering amount ignorance on the subject of Islam, on the history of Islam, and on history in general. There is no nuance at all in your arguments. I'll stop replying you now. Debating with you is like debating a child. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by rhektor(m): 7:45pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog: The same Saudi Arabia that is fighting ISIS? Now I'll take you for a conspiracy theorist no wonder you debunking every biblical history that does not tally with your mindset. Till you tell us the conclusion of this stories here I take you for one big Billy joke 2 Likes |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by jonbellion(m): 7:58pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
Vokog:bros I'm am athiest too and Islamic terrorism exists 100% It's even part of their stupid barbaric sharia The religion needs to be reformed abeg their own is too much |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:21pm On Jun 07, 2017 |
rhektor: It's debunking, you dumbass. I am done replying you. I won't even try to address the nonsense arguments you raised because educating you about anything, is a total waste of time. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by rhektor(m): 3:43am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog: Now names calling is what you resort to, thank you for the correction it was an error on my part but you surely understood what I mean. Why not address the issue but decided to insult me? This speak volumes about you and your mission. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 7:50am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:If you are familiar with the Koran, the Hadiths and the sunnah, then you can go ahead and make your argument. But if you are not, my brother don't even bother. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 7:52am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:Sahih Muslim 30—Muhammad said: “I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah.” |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:17am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:Yup! I have wondered. But sir, there is a death penalty in Islam for adultery and blasphemy. So YES! Muslims can kill other Muslims who do not obey the laws of Islam. For instance, Aisha (Muhammad's favourite wife) was a true Muslim. Ali the fourth Caliph was a true Muslim. These two knew Muhammad personally. And yet they sent armies against each other. So there you have Muslim killing Muslim. So a true Muslim might not kill a true Muslim but what about those that are not "true" Muslims? Or those that don't live right? Jihadists believe moderate Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not taking up arms against non muslims when the Koran tells them to Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell (Koran 9:73). And oh! That's the word I was looking for! "Hypocrites". Hypocrites in Islam are those who say they believe but act like they don't. So they are " Muslims" but not "True Muslims". A hypocrite in Islam can be recognized by a reluctance to follow Sharia, fear of death (Koran 9:56), RELUCTANCE TO FIGHT (Koran 9:44-45) and FRIENDSHIP TOWARDS NON MUSLIMS (Koran 9:67). Wanted to go on, but I guess u have gotten point. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:18am On Jun 08, 2017 |
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Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by hopefulLandlord: 8:28am On Jun 08, 2017 |
ilynem: I think the last part of her sentence is highly unneeded, "Pray they catch up with OP so that they kill him"? I hope its just a badly delivered sarcasm |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:28am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:Then why are you even arguing? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:32am On Jun 08, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:But you lot don't believe in prayers so it shouldn't matter to any of you, right? And obviously, she didn't mean that. Analice107 is a good Lady. She doesn't wish death on anyone. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Akiintom: 8:34am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog: These are the mental conditioning pills for Muslims....
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Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:45am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Angel196:You obviously aren't vast in your own Koran.. 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by plainbibletruth: 8:52am On Jun 08, 2017 |
If vokog will be true to himself he should be able to see that be has not been able to put forward clear and convincing case to 'prove' his hypothesis. If he can SIT BACK and study the comments made by most people who have posted on this thread, he will come up with only one conclusion - Islamic terrorism DOES EXIST and has always been there in differing intensity and scope. Btw, what is a major bone of contention between Saudi Arabia & Co. and Qatar in their current face-off? If these countries recognise that terrorism exists in the Islamic world and vokog, who claims to be an atheist, is trying to 'prove' it does not, then it may be that he is actually a PROPAGANDA MACHINE for the people he wants us to believe do not exist. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 8:52am On Jun 08, 2017 |
deezzle:Can we be best friends please? 1 Like |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 8:59am On Jun 08, 2017 |
ilynem: Hahaha, if you think so. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:28am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:You are getting emotional. Are you sure you are an atheist? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Nobody: 9:40am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Vokog:I will answer you question on how terrorism is spreading Islam. Even if you wont answer it's for the benefit of other readers. In Idlib, Syria, there is an area called Jabal Summaq which was inhabited by the Druze people. Since Jabhat al Nusra drove Syrian troops out of Idlib, there are no more Druzes there. They all "converted" to Islam after being told by Nusra fighters to embrace Islam or die according to Sharia. |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by ilynem(m): 10:20am On Jun 08, 2017 |
Angel196:There! That is why Muslims kill their own. Yup! I have wondered. But sir, there is a death penalty in Islam for adultery and blasphemy. So YES! Muslims can kill other Muslims who do not obey the laws of Islam. For instance, Aisha (Muhammad's favourite wife) was a true Muslim. Ali the fourth Caliph was a true Muslim. These two knew Muhammad personally. And yet they sent armies against each other. So there you have Muslim killing Muslim. So a true Muslim might not kill a true Muslim but what about those that are not "true" Muslims? Or those that don't live right? Jihadists believe moderate Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not taking up arms against non muslims when the Koran tells them to Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell (Koran 9:73). |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 11:42am On Jun 08, 2017 |
ilynem: Oh really? That's why? Because the rest are hypocrites? Do you even know those the word was applied in the Quran? Hahaha, very funny. Do you know there is an entire chapter based on hypocrites? So according to you, those terrorist who are Islamic, kill and bomb Muslims in the mosques be cause the Quran referred to them as hypocrites? Let me clear your misconceptions then. This chapter is called THE HYPOCRITES. Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 1: إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ WHEN THE HYPOCRITES come unto thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed God's Apostle!" But God knows that thou art truly His Apostle; and He bears witness that the hypocrites are indeed false [in their declaration of faith]. Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 2: اتَّخَذُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَاءَ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ They have made their oaths a cover [for their falseness], and thus they turn others away from the Path of God. Evil indeed is all that they are wont to do: Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 3: ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ this, because [they profess that] they have attained to faith, whereas [inwardly] they deny the truth - and so, a seal has been set on their hearts so that they can no longer understand [what is true and what false]. Contrary to who or what you think hypocrites referred to in the Quran, the above chapter has clearified it. Hypocrites are those who claim to believe yet don't really believe but pretend in order to spy and turn people away from the religion. So does that fit into the idea you have of those being boomed in the mosques as hypocrites? |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Demmzy15(m): 12:18pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Angel196:As Salam Alaikum sis, I'll advise you to leave this people only. Nothing you'll tell them will be sufficient, believe me, I've done this years ago. Stop being apologetic and state the facts, their religion is worse 10 times. So let voko'g take care of the issue himself. If a real discussion were to start, you'll see all of them fleeing because they're all cowards! 2 Likes |
Re: Does "Islamic" Terrorism Really Stem From Islam? Or Is It All Propaganda? by Angel196(f): 12:20pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
ilynem: Please read and study these verses carefully and correct the above misconceptions. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 47: لَوْ خَرَجُوا فِيكُم مَّا زَادُوكُمْ إِلَّا خَبَالًا وَلَأَوْضَعُوا خِلَالَكُمْ يَبْغُونَكُمُ الْفِتْنَةَ وَفِيكُمْ سَمَّاعُونَ لَهُمْ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ بِالظَّالِمِينَ Had these [hypocrites] set out with_ you, [O believers,] they would have added nothing to you save the evil of corruption, and would surely have scurried to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up discord among you, seeing that there are in your midst such as would have lent them ear: but God has full knowledge of the evildoers. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 48: لَقَدِ ابْتَغَوُا الْفِتْنَةَ مِن قَبْلُ وَقَلَّبُوا لَكَ الْأُمُورَ حَتَّىٰ جَاءَ الْحَقُّ وَظَهَرَ أَمْرُ اللَّهِ وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ Indeed, even before this time have they tried to stir up discord and devised all manner of plots against thee, [O Prophet,] until the truth was revealed and God's will became manifest, however hateful this may have been to them. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 49: وَمِنْهُم مَّن يَقُولُ ائْذَن لِّي وَلَا تَفْتِنِّي أَلَا فِي الْفِتْنَةِ سَقَطُوا وَإِنَّ جَهَنَّمَ لَمُحِيطَةٌ بِالْكَافِرِينَ And among them there was [many a one] who said," Grant me permission [to remain at home], and do not put me to too hard a test!" Oh, verily, [by making such a request] they had [already failed in their test and] succumbed to a temptation to evil: and, behold, hell will indeed encompass all who refuse to acknowledge the truth! Surah At-Taubah, Verse 50: إِن تُصِبْكَ حَسَنَةٌ تَسُؤْهُمْ وَإِن تُصِبْكَ مُصِيبَةٌ يَقُولُوا قَدْ أَخَذْنَا أَمْرَنَا مِن قَبْلُ وَيَتَوَلَّوا وَّهُمْ فَرِحُونَ Should good fortune alight on thee, [O Prophet,] it will grieve them; and should misfortune befall thee, they will say [to themselves], "We have already taken our precautions beforehand!" - and will turn away, and will rejoice. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 51: قُل لَّن يُصِيبَنَا إِلَّا مَا كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَنَا هُوَ مَوْلَانَا وَعَلَى اللَّهِ فَلْيَتَوَكَّلِ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ Say: "Never can anything befall us save what God has decreed! He is our Lord Supreme; and in God let the believers place their trust!" Surah At-Taubah, Verse 52: قُلْ هَلْ تَرَبَّصُونَ بِنَا إِلَّا إِحْدَى الْحُسْنَيَيْنِ وَنَحْنُ نَتَرَبَّصُ بِكُمْ أَن يُصِيبَكُمُ اللَّهُ بِعَذَابٍ مِّنْ عِندِهِ أَوْ بِأَيْدِينَا فَتَرَبَّصُوا إِنَّا مَعَكُم مُّتَرَبِّصُونَ Say: "Are you, perchance, hopefully waiting for something [bad] to happen to us-[the while nothing can happen to us] save one of the two best things? But as far as you are concerned, we are hopefully waiting for God to inflict chastisement upon you, [either] from Himself or by our hands! Wait, then, hopefully; behold, we shall hopefully wait with you!" Surah At-Taubah, Verse 53: قُلْ أَنفِقُوا طَوْعًا أَوْ كَرْهًا لَّن يُتَقَبَّلَ مِنكُمْ إِنَّكُمْ كُنتُمْ قَوْمًا فَاسِقِينَ Say: "You may spend [anything], willingly-or unwillingly, [pretending that you do it for the sake of God:] it shall never be accepted from you -for, verily, you are people bent on iniquity!" Surah At-Taubah, Verse 54: وَمَا مَنَعَهُمْ أَن تُقْبَلَ مِنْهُمْ نَفَقَاتُهُمْ إِلَّا أَنَّهُمْ كَفَرُوا بِاللَّهِ وَبِرَسُولِهِ وَلَا يَأْتُونَ الصَّلَاةَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كُسَالَىٰ وَلَا يُنفِقُونَ إِلَّا وَهُمْ كَارِهُونَ For, only this prevents their spending from being accepted from them: they are bent on refusing to acknowledge God and His Apostle, and never pray without reluctance, and never spend [on righteous causes] without resentment. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 55: فَلَا تُعْجِبْكَ أَمْوَالُهُمْ وَلَا أَوْلَادُهُمْ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُعَذِّبَهُم بِهَا فِي الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَتَزْهَقَ أَنفُسُهُمْ وَهُمْ كَافِرُونَ Let not, then, their worldly goods or [the happiness which they may derive from] their children excite thy admiration: God but wants to chastise them by these means in this worldly life, and [to cause] their souls to depart while they are [still] denying the truth. Surah At-Taubah, Verse 56: وَيَحْلِفُونَ بِاللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ لَمِنكُمْ وَمَا هُم مِّنكُمْ وَلَٰكِنَّهُمْ قَوْمٌ يَفْرَقُونَ And they swear by God that they do indeed belong to you -the while they do not belong to you, but are [only] people ridden by fear: Surah At-Taubah, Verse 57: لَوْ يَجِدُونَ مَلْجَأً أَوْ مَغَارَاتٍ أَوْ مُدَّخَلًا لَّوَلَّوْا إِلَيْهِ وَهُمْ يَجْمَحُونَ if they could but find a place of refuge, or any cavern, or a crevice [in the earth], they would turn towards it in headlong haste. |
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