Vokog:


Learn to think before typing. It's really essential.

I never said Saudi Arabia were DIRECT allies with Israel. I said the CIA has allies in Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Now, let's look at facts. It's a fact that the Saudi government are America's second biggest allies in the middle east, after Israel. It's also a fact that the Saudi government aids and funds ISIS. Now it's obviously a fact that the US government has ties with Israel, curiously a subordinate tie, where they'd bend to Israel's wimps if need be. History is replete with various instances of this. It's also a fact that Israel helps provide sanctuary and medical care for ISIS. There are pictures and videos of this online. It's also a fact the ISIS has never for once attacked Israel. It's also a fact that ISIS attacks Hamas and Hezbollah who are direct enemies of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon. One doesn't have to be a genius to see the pattern now.

I never said Saudi Arabia helped Israel in attacking Iraq, Iran or Lebanon. Where did I say this? I said Saudi Arabia is acting as a US proxy in supplying ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists with weapons.

These things I am saying aren't hearsay. They are facts that can easily be verified.

Papist:

From the horse's (ISIS) mouth in the 15th edition of Dabiq. Why they hate and fight disbelievers:
"1. We hate you first and foremost because you are disbelievers, you reject the oneness of Allah.
2. We hate you because you are secular and liberal, you permit the things that Allah has forbidden while forbidding the things that Allah has allowed.
3. We hate you because some of you are atheist, they reject the existence of your Lord and creator.
4. We hate you for your crimes against Islam and Muslims.
5. We hate you for invading our lands.
6. Whats important to understand is that some might argue that your foreign policies are what drives our hatred but alas that reason is secondary. The fact is that even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us and usurping our lands we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."

So there you have it, Islamic State in their own words denying that they hate the West for the drones and invasions.

Vokog:


If we establish the fact that ISIS is funded, aided and supported by foreign elements, are we supposed to take anything they say as the reason for committing their actions?

That number 6 is just plain ridiculous. It even makes it more obvious that it's all propaganda trying to deflect popular belief towards Islam as the prime motivation for the actions of ISIS. It's all propaganda against Islam and a pretext to continue their foreign intervention, which further destabilizes these countries and immeserates more lives, all in their imperialist and Zionist interests.

The US and their allies aren't fooling me or anyone who is smart enough to see through their bullshit. I know how intelligent psychopaths think. And those in covert control of the US government are the worst kind of intelligent psychopaths you can ever imagine.

Vokog:


If we establish the fact that ISIS is funded, aided and supported by foreign elements, are we supposed to take anything they say as the reason for committing their actions?

That number 6 is just plain ridiculous. It even makes it more obvious that it's all propaganda trying to deflect popular belief towards Islam as the prime motivation for the actions of ISIS. It's all propaganda against Islam and a pretext to continue their foreign intervention, which further destabilizes these countries and immeserates more lives, all in their imperialist and Zionist interests.

The US and their allies aren't fooling me or anyone who is smart enough to see through their bullshit. I know how intelligent psychopaths think. And those in covert control of the US government are the worst kind of intelligent psychopaths you can ever imagine.

Papist:

You can continue in your delusions if you like bro. ISIS is fighting to establish sharia law and a global caliphate. All its members are Sunni Muslims coming from allover the world. Whatever they do they quote the Koran and the example of their prophet Muhammad. They kill their fellow Muslims when those Muslims violate sharia laws and they have the Koran to back them on that. Noone tarnishes Islam's image but Muslims themselves through jihad and sharia. If the West and the Zionists decide to benefit from the stupidity of Muslims who can blame them. Israel feels safer when Muslims are fighting each other so they can just laugh from a safe distance as their enemies exterminate each other.

Vokog:


You are the one who is being delusional and lacking not even a modicum of nuance on the subject.

How does bombing an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester or attacking innocent people at a London bridge help in establishing a global caliphate?

I have addressed your argument about quoting verses from the Quran many times on this thread and I am not going to do it again. Just read through my comments.

There are various ideologies within Islam and there are various sects within Islam that hold extremist views. I am not disputing this fact. But believing they are representative of Islam or the views of most Muslims or most Sunni is counterfactual. That being said, you need to understand how ISIS began in order to get the full picture.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the founder of ISIS was originally a member of the Mujahideen, the CIA trained rebel fighters during the Soviet-Afghan war, who still remain today in Afghanistan as the Taliban. Al-Zarqawi "fled" to Iraq from Afghanistan when the US invaded it in 2001. There he began propagating "his extremist ideology" and gaining followers.

When Saddam hussiem was still president of Iraq, Al-Zarqawi's extremist sect was present, and Saddam was doing a good job at keeping them at bay, but when the US invaded Iraq, they ousted Saddam and created a power vacuum of which this extremist sect filled. Then the US purposefully left them weapons and armoured tanks when they left Iraq. After this, ISIS began expanding.
Now since then, the US has been supplying these guys weapons and providing cover and medical attention for them through Saudi Arabia and Israel. This is a fact.

From all I have said, if you are smart enough, you should be able to see through the bullshit the corporate media is feeding everyone.

CyrusTheGreat:
You want to prove that Islamic terrorism does not exist, and that it's all propaganda? Then go ahead and prove these things, buddy! You've made a statement, now defend it!

In the meantime, I'll give my two cents on why Islamic terrorism DOES exist, and why it is NOT propaganda.

Firstly, since the early 2000s, there have been numerous vigilante and suicide attacks worldwide but primarily in Islamic countries, with Western countries being second, by people who clearly identify as muslims, and follow a Quranic ideology.

In 2016 there were 1'441 known terrorist attacks worldwide with connection to Salafist muslims, Jihadis, and other Islamists, from internet inspired "lone wolf" jihadis to ISIS and ISIS sympathiser groups. They comprise the overwhelming majority of all terrorist attacks worldwide.

Secondly, Islam and Muslims are not new to using war and violence to spread their religion - in fact, it's how their religion got so big to begin with (Christianity did the same but has been defeated in many developed countries by secularism and free thinking thankfully).

Since the very beginning of the religion, Islam was forged in the bloody haze of war. There were no major muslim missionaries. The "missionaries" in the Quran that approached Arabian tribes and Persian towns were tricksters who got the unwitting people to lower their guards so that the muslim wave could pillage and rape them without resistance. The very term "Islam" which means "to submit" comes from the term "Aslem Teslam" which in old Arabic meant "Submit (to Islam), have peace", which is a fancy Muslim way of saying "Surrender or die". Muhammed and the later Caliphs that took his reigns sent this message to the leaders of nations they were attempting to conquer as a threat.

Islamic terrorism is simply the active side of orthodox Islam. The repression of women, the utter delusions to do with angels and deities, the rigidity and conformity to the barbaric and backwards "Shariah Law", the murder of secularism and free-speech, the disgusting and supremacist attitude towards non-muslims and apostates - all of these are qualities of ISLAM, not just Islamic extremism! You can find this in EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM COUNTRY (INCLUDING Nigeria!). Subsequently you also tend to find a large number of terrorist cells in every single Muslim country (Boko Haram!)

From Islam is borne Islamic terrorism, and it absolutely exists. To claim propaganda is to lie or to be severely uninformed. Tell me, the people in London who drove a van into a bridge and then drew knives and attacked indiscriminately while screaming "Islam, Islam!" and "This is for Allah!" as they murdered innocent adults and children - are you seriously going to claim that their actions were not motivated by Islam?
The Libyan man who blew himself up at the Manchester concert who was connected with Shariah supporters online, he was not motivated by Islam? The Paris massacres where a bunch of thugs with machineguns butchered people at a musical performance because they "Disrespected Allah", that's not motivated by Islam? Nonsense!

Not only are the Jihadists 100% Muslim, 100% following Islam and 100% connected to (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim communities and (Cough SUNNI and WAHHABI) Muslim countries (ever see a Shia suicide bomber? Neither have I ), but they are actually BETTER muslims than the moderate muslims in Western countries, because they actually follow the real teachings of their violent and stupid and backwards religion, instead of the Moderate Muslims who cherry pick the nice things from the Quran and ignore the rot, instead of just throwing the whole nonsense religion out the window!

tl;dr, Islamic terrorism is real and Islam is it's ideological gateway drug. You do not see non-muslims becoming Jihadists. That is because they are NOT. MUSLIM. and they don't BELIEVE in MUSLIM MYTHOLOGICAL NONSENSE.

Papist:

You can blame the Joooos all you want but jihad and sharia started with their prophet Muhammad in Yathrib. What happened in Manchester was both jihad and sharia. Jihad because were being terrorised into submitting to the caliphate. Sharia because the girls who were murdered were engaging in activities that Allah has forbidden i.e having fun.

Vokog:


Learn to think before typing. It's really essential.

I never said Saudi Arabia were DIRECT allies with Israel. I said the CIA has allies in Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Now, let's look at facts. It's a fact that the Saudi government are the United States second biggest allies in the middle east, after Israel. It's also a fact that the Saudi government aids and funds ISIS. Now it's obviously a fact that the US government has ties with Israel, curiously a subordinate tie, where they'd bend to Israel's wimps if need be. History is replete with various instances of this. It's also a fact that Israel helps provide sanctuary and medical care for ISIS. There are pictures and videos of this online. It's also a fact the ISIS has never for once attacked Israel. It's also a fact that ISIS attacks Hamas and Hezbollah who are direct enemies of Israel in Palestine and Lebanon. One doesn't have to be a genius to see the pattern now.

I never said Saudi Arabia helped Israel in attacking Iraq, Iran or Lebanon. Where did I say this? I said Saudi Arabia is acting as a US proxy in supplying ISIS and Al-Nusra terrorists with weapons.

These things I am saying aren't hearsay. They are facts that can easily be verified.

Vokog:
I would like to preface the body of my post with this caveat: I am not a Muslim. In fact, I am an atheist, and I was formally christian and I have no affiliation with Islam whatsoever. The only affiliation I have with Islam, is that the people who subscribe to it are humans like myself, and as such, they don't deserve to be smeared, stereotyped, and painted in a negative light, to further an agenda. That's essentially why I decided to create this thread - To disillusion people from the lies that they have been made to believe about Islam and about terrorism.

I am not going to bore anyone with a long op. What I'd do however, is that I will allow anyone who wants contribute to air their own arguments about why they think the premise of my post is wrong, or why they think Islamic terrorism is an inherently Islamic phenomenon and I'll refute EVERY argument.

Mods, please don't move this to the Muslim section. It would defeat its purpose.

rhektor:



The same Saudi Arabia that is fighting ISIS? Now I'll take you for a conspiracy theorist no wonder you debugging every biblical history that does not tally with your mindset. Till you tell us the conclusion of this stories here I take you for one big Billy joke

Vokog:


It's debunking, you dumbass.

I am done replying you. I won't even try to address the nonsense arguments you raised because educating you about anything, is a total waste of time.

Vokog:


I never said terrorism doesn't exist. I said the belief that it's an Islamic phenomenon is what's not true. Meaning, the belief that it's a Jihadist movement that originated within Islam and is supported by the Islamic society, is what's not true.

You've not made any reasonable argument here. All you just did was yell at me.

Vokog:


Why are you reaffirming what she said? Again, I never said terrorism doesn't exist, what I said was that Islamic terrorism doesn't exist. Meaning that the predominant perception of terrorism as being orchestrated by people within Islam, who want to make erect a global caliphate, through global Jihad, is demonstrably untrue.

Vokog:


What does being "vast in the Quran" even mean?

Anyway, you raised some arguments, so I'll address them. You claimed that the Islamic terrorists use the Quran to justify their actions. Now, does that mean the Quran is what motivates them to do what they do? If that's the case, then why isn't every Muslim in the world committing acts of terrorism? I mean, if according to you the Quran rightly states that killing innocent people is the best way to serve Allah, and convert people to Islam, why isn't every Muslim doing it?

And I want to ask you a question. Do you have even the slightest knowledge of the inception of Islamic terrorism? Do you know the factors that led to it's rise and growth? Could you lay them out to me?

Anyone can commit any action and justify this action with anything. It doesn't mean that this thing is what drove them to commit that action. Rather, the pattern of result of an action and results of consecutive similar actions, is a more reliable way of judging intent and motivation. Have you ever asked yourself why people who claim to be terrorists trying to expand the Islamic faith are actively killing the members of their own faith than they kill so called infidels?

It's a good thing you mentioned Osama bin Ladin. Now let me ask you a question, why did Osama Bin Laden attack the United States in 2001? Could you explain what his reason was? Now, what's the result of his so called terrorist attack? I'll tell you - The result of the Osama's attack on the world trade center and the Pentagon, was the invasion of Afghanistan and the destabilization of their government and the murder of millions of innocent lives, despite the Afghan government explicitly asking the United states to give them permission to extradite Osama and his sect, to which the US refused. Another result of this attack was the creation of the Taliban in Afghanistan from the power vacuum left by the United States. Bearing in mind that the Taliban was originally the mujahideen which the US used to oppose the Soviet forces during the Soveit-Afghan war?

I'll also like to add that Osama bin Laden was fighting along side the United states supported Mujahideen during the Soviet -Afghan war and there are claims that Osama's sect was also supported by the CIA. These claims haven't been proven to be completely factual however. But the fact that Osama fighted along side the Mujahideen is incontrovertibly true.

analice107:

I hope you know they kill atheists just like they homosexuals? I pray they catch up with you.

ilynem:

Vokog:


Well, I know quite a lot about the religion and about other religions. I have read about the history of the Islamic world and other parts of the world. I know terrorism is only a very recent phenomenon within Islam, which arose within curious circumstances. And I know various religions can be used as an excuse for any malicious action. The western roman empire used Christianity and the bible as an excuse for the crusades, which was clearly a political movement. That doesn't mean Christianity supports killing of innocent people or that Christians are bad.

Ehm, last time I checked, Boko haram amd Alshabab swore allegiance to ISIS and Al Qaeda. This proves they are cut from the same cloth. I invite you to read about terrorist attacks in various countries and examine the result of the attacks and the effect they have on the political and economic balance of the state. Also examine the immediate actions of western governments and corporations in their efforts to "ease" and "curb" the unrest. Have you asked yourself who is sponsoring boko-haram? Where they are getting their sophisticated weapons from? We all have brains. Let's use it.

hopefulLandlord:


I think the last part of her sentence is highly unneeded, "Pray they catch up with OP so that they kill him"?

I hope its just a badly delivered sarcasm

Vokog:


I am not saying some people who blow themselves up aren't indoctrinated. I agree certain Quranic verses if read out of context can incite people to act in certain ways. But you should consider the factors that would influence anyone to just decide to be radicalized in such manner. As much as there are bad verses in the Quran, there are also good verses that completely contradict those bad verses. So it's not really about the verses, but more about the environment and the ideologies that exist within that environment and how vulnerable the would-be terrorists are to such kind of ideology. Now, the vulnerability of such individual depends on a lot of factors. Factors like anger and hate as a result of something experienced. A perfect example is a Syrian witnessing the death of a loved one as a result of western air strikes. Another factor could be the perception of his religion and culture being under attack by the west. I am not even a muslim, and I am already convinced that Islam is currently under attack by the west. Another well documented reason for which people join ISIS is that ISIS pays them salaries and also pays their families salaries. This happens in ISIS controlled areas in Syria.

But then again, even with these factors present, a radicalized individual would need weapons. So the question is, where do they get the weapons from? The earliest, most overt, although subtle delivery of weapons to ISIS was after the US left Iraq after the war of 2003. They left Iraq and deliberately left their weapons and armoured tanks for the blossoming terrorists to take control of. In intervening years, the CIA has used Saudi Arabia as a proxy to supply more weapons to ISIS and also Al-Nusra in Syria. Clearly these guys are behind ISIS, if they are, then they are systematically helping to promote whatever ideology that's successfully radicalizing people. I mean, they did this during the infamous Operation Ajax.
These guys are fucking psychopaths and it's a shame Muslims allow themselves to fall prey to their malicious and insidious devices.

Angel196:


Please just admit its the hate you have for Islam that is making you ignore all that has been said here.

Political correctness you say? So you do know he is correct, thanks for admitting it.

Book hara are Islamic terrorist right? Can you then tell me why mosques has been one of their target places?

As I've always said, when you hate something you go as far as accepting any lies fabricated against it and reject any truth about it if it affects the illusions you use in justifying your hatred against it.

deezzle:
In my opinion we Muslims need to take the bold step of challenging the very idea that the Qur’an and Sunna are infallible. This will come as a shock to those of us brought up on the idea that the Qur’an is the perfect word of God, but some Muslims are already doing this. Thinkers such as Abdul Karim Soroush from Iran, Sayyed Ahmad Al-Qabbanji from Iraq and Saeed Nasheed from Morocco are questioning traditional views about the Qur’an.Saeed Nasheed, in his recent book, Modernity & the Qur’an, said: “The Qur’an is not the speech of God, just as the loaf of bread is not the work of the farmer. God produced the raw material, which was inspiration, just as the farmer produces the raw material, which is wheat. But it is the baker who turns the wheat or flour into bread according to his own unique way, artistic expertise and creative ability. Thus it is the Prophet who was responsible for interpreting the inspiration and turning it into actual phrases and words according to his own unique view.”

Why is this such an essential step? Because once you stop protecting ideas on the basis that “God said it”, you create a level playing field where good ideas can battle it out with bad ideas on an equal footing. It allows reason to be the deciding factor for whether something is accepted or rejected, rather than: “Because it’s written – that’s why!” No more searching for tenuous interpretations or changing the meaning of words into something else, just so we can avoid the problematic and uncomfortable meanings.

As long as we refuse to appreciate that the Qur’an may be divinely inspired but is human-authored, we will be forced to continue playing the game of the fundamentalists and disarming ourselves of the only weapon that can defeat them – reason. Only when we recognise that the Qur’an and Sunna are fallible can we free Islam from the prison of dogma we placed it in.

ilynem:

You obviously aren't vast in your own Koran..

Vokog:


I don't mean to sound rude, but you display a staggering amount ignorance on the subject of Islam, on the history of Islam, and on history in general. There is no nuance at all in your arguments.

I'll stop replying you now. Debating with you is like debating a child.

Vokog:


It's a good thing you mentioned that terrorism is a recent phenomenon which began in the 2000s. Have you asked yourself why it began in the 2000s? And why it's been happening more in Muslim countries? If you don't know, I'll tell you. Islamic terrorism is a product of an extreme sect within Islam whose ideology was propagated by Osama bin Ladin and Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi. What you should note is that these two men were former allies of the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan war that lasted from 1979 to 1989. Osama bin laden was formerly a member of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt that was originally supported by the US as a force against the soviets in 1970. Osama left the Muslim brotherhood in 1980 and after that he fought alongside the Mujahideen to oppose soviet forces. Now, the Mujahideen as you should know were CIA trained forces, who have now morphed into the Taliban. Al-Zarqawi was a member of Mujahideen, and when the United states went to war with Afghanistan in 2001 on the heels of the September 11 attacks, Al-Zarqawi left Afghanistan and founded ISIS in Iraq. Al-Zarqawi's group was still small and weak and Saddam Hussein's government was doing a good Job in containing them. But when the United States invaded Iraq in 2003, Saddam was outsted, Iraq government was destabilized, the power vacuum left was occupied by Al-Zarqawi's sect and the Iraq military disbanded. Majority of the soldiers from the disbanded army had no choice but to join ISIS, because essentially they were jobless and broke, and ISIS paid them salaries. Another factor that empowered ISIS was the deliberate abadoning of weapons by the United States when they left Iraq after the war was ended. This was what helped ISIS grow. In the intervening years, it's been proven that the US and its allies in Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Israel have been aiding, supporting, providing cover, providing sanctuary and providing medical support for ISIS. All this, along with how ISIS arose, points to the fact that terrorism didn't emerge in a vaccum of Islamic fundamentalism like you are claiming.

You should understand the societal dynamics that lead people to join ISIS. You should know that when ISIS conquers a region it forces the citizens under it's rule and incentivices it's population to join it by promising them and their family money. You should also understand that in this kind of war torn environments, people are very vulnerable to certain ideologies and behaviors. One just needs to look at the deranged behavior of the Rwandan Huti sect during their civil war. You should also recognize how vulnerable people can be to these kind of ideologies when they feel their religion or cultural heritage in under attack by western imperialists who bomb and kill them in thousands weekly. This kind of environment indeed acts as a seed bed for radicalization to flourish.

So reducing Islamic terrorism to just a fundamentally religious problem motivated by Quranic verses is really simplistic.



How is terrorism helping in spreading Islam? How has all the terrorist activities in the west helped to spread Islam? The only thing terrorism is doing is stereotyping Muslims as deranged blood thirsty murderers, who shouldn't be allowed entrance into Europe and America.



One thing I have noticed with people argue in favor of your premise is that they lack knowledge of ancient and medieval history. One thing you should realize is that during the 7th century, around the time Islam arose, there wasn't a clear distinction between religion and politics like you have today. And for the early Muslims, Islam was an identity and a force that united them. But their politic aspirations and the actions that were committed as a result of those political aspirations would have happened without any religious motivation.
During the 7th century, before, and even centuries after, pillage and rape was the norm of war. Armies conquered cities and plundered and raped, with or without religion. The Jews in the old testament also did the same, same as the Romans, Persians, Greeks and Mongols. The christian crusaders also committed these same atrocities, both to Jews and to Muslims. This was the kind of world Islam developed in.



You seem to have a knack for generalization.



From all indication, I am not uninformed. What's highly likely is that you are the one who is uninformed and highly gullible. The fact that people scream Allah and quote verses before conducting violence doesn't mean that they are motivated by Islam. Now I am not saying all terrorist attacks are carried out by people who aren't actually motivated by the Quran, but when you understand the forces that promote and support Islamic terrorism, that is, the United States, you become apprehensive of the information mainstream media feeds you, especially when you read history and see the various instances of false flags conducted by the US.



I hope you are knowledgeable about the history of Wahhabism and who exactly is the number one supporter and propagator of Wahhabism? I'll tell you - Saudi Arabia. The prime allies of the United States, and the joint aiders of ISIS, alongside Turkey and Israel.

Angel196:


Hahaha, if you think so.

Yup! I have wondered. But sir, there is a death penalty in Islam for adultery and blasphemy. So YES! Muslims can kill other Muslims who do not obey the laws of Islam. For instance, Aisha (Muhammad's favourite wife) was a true Muslim. Ali the fourth Caliph was a true Muslim. These two knew Muhammad personally. And yet they sent armies against each other. So there you have Muslim killing Muslim. So a true Muslim might not kill a true Muslim but what about those that are not "true" Muslims? Or those that don't live right? Jihadists believe moderate Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not taking up arms against non muslims when the Koran tells them to Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell (Koran 9:73).
And oh! That's the word I was looking for! "Hypocrites".
Hypocrites in Islam are those who say they believe but act like they don't. So they are " Muslims" but not "True Muslims". A hypocrite in Islam can be recognized by a reluctance to follow Sharia, fear of death (Koran 9:56), RELUCTANCE TO FIGHT (Koran 9:44-45) and FRIENDSHIP TOWARDS NON MUSLIMS (Koran 9:67).
Wanted to go on, but I guess u have gotten point.

ilynem:

There! That is why Muslims kill their own.

Angel196:


Oh really? That's why? Because the rest are hypocrites? Do you even know those the word was applied in the Quran? Hahaha, very funny. Do you know there is an entire chapter based on hypocrites?

So according to you, those terrorist who are Islamic, kill and bomb Muslims in the mosques be cause the Quran referred to them as hypocrites? Let me clear your misconceptions then.

This chapter is called THE HYPOCRITES.


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 1:
إِذَا جَاءَكَ الْمُنَافِقُونَ قَالُوا نَشْهَدُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ يَعْلَمُ إِنَّكَ لَرَسُولُهُ وَاللَّهُ يَشْهَدُ إِنَّ الْمُنَافِقِينَ لَكَاذِبُونَ

WHEN THE HYPOCRITES come unto thee, they say, "We bear witness that thou art indeed God's Apostle!" But God knows that thou art truly His Apostle; and He bears witness that the hypocrites are indeed false [in their declaration of faith].

Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 2:
اتَّخَذُوا أَيْمَانَهُمْ جُنَّةً فَصَدُّوا عَن سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَاءَ مَا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ

They have made their oaths a cover [for their falseness], and thus they turn others away from the Path of God. Evil indeed is all that they are wont to do:


Surah Al-Munafiqoon, Verse 3:
ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ

this, because [they profess that] they have attained to faith, whereas [inwardly] they deny the truth - and so, a seal has been set on their hearts so that they can no longer understand [what is true and what false].

Contrary to who or what you think hypocrites referred to in the Quran, the above chapter has clearified it. Hypocrites are those who claim to believe yet don't really believe but pretend in order to spy and turn people away from the religion.

So does that fit into the idea you have of those being boomed in the mosques as hypocrites?

ilynem:

Yup! I have wondered. But sir, there is a death penalty in Islam for adultery and blasphemy. So YES! Muslims can kill other Muslims who do not obey the laws of Islam. For instance, Aisha (Muhammad's favourite wife) was a true Muslim. Ali the fourth Caliph was a true Muslim. These two knew Muhammad personally. And yet they sent armies against each other. So there you have Muslim killing Muslim. So a true Muslim might not kill a true Muslim but what about those that are not "true" Muslims? Or those that don't live right? Jihadists believe moderate Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not taking up arms against non muslims when the Koran tells them to Strive hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be harsh against them, their abode is Hell (Koran 9:73).
And oh! That's the word I was looking for! "Hypocrites".
Hypocrites in Islam are those who say they believe but act like they don't. So they are " Muslims" but not "True Muslims". A hypocrite in Islam can be recognized by a reluctance to follow Sharia, fear of death (Koran 9:56), RELUCTANCE TO FIGHT (Koran 9:44-45) and FRIENDSHIP TOWARDS NON MUSLIMS (Koran 9:67).
Wanted to go on, but I guess u have gotten point.