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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 5:25pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: Go and find out if Southern Sudan are in any bit interested in forming a new Union with the Northern Sudan, no matter how bad their present condition might be, they have a bright future, because they have freedom and so have their destiny in their hands to make or mar! Freedom is priceless. For a person used to living in a failed British colonial estate, I don't expect you to understand that. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 5:27pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Isn't it Ironic that a hateful people, who have not a single inkling on how to generate constant electricity in the year 2017, have all the plans and methods on how to block Biafra March to greatness mapped out! Hehe! 4 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 5:34pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Someone says you guys only watch africa magic, by this your comment you have proved him right. You dont know what is happening in south sudan at the moment you are calling it freedom. I hope that is the type of freedom you guys want, that is the worst country on earth at the moment (google is ur friend) But that wont be for long, because biafra will soon replace it 49 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by farem: 5:43pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 5:43pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: Go and sit down! As bad as South Sudan is, they are not missing their Northern Sudan Arab wannabe tormentors, non of them want to go back to being one country with Northern Sudan. Moreover, Southern Sudan has not one-hundredth of human resources available to Biafra. Southern Sudan is also a multi ethnic country, Biafra is going to be a strictly Igbo nation, any other group that want to join must only join after terms and conditions of their union with us have been discussed. The only place in Nigeria that I know will become like South Sudan should Nigeria disintegrate using historical antecedents and variables on ground to judge is Yorubaland. Remembere your Kiriji wars before Nigeria was formed? That's South Sudan! Remember your Wild wild west between Awolowo and Akintola factions? That's South Sudan. The East had no such history of complete and total uniform widespread of inter group conflicts. I understand why Yorubas are scared of Nigeria disintegration, your prospects of getting Odua republic to work judging by historical antecedents looks grim, but don't you dare project your fears and insecurities on Ndiigbo. We are socio politically parallel people to you lots. Peace. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by kingzizzy: 5:58pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
No amount of property or investment can equal the freedom and emancipation of Igbos 4 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 6:01pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Lol, ranting of an uninformed disillusioned fella. South sudan has oil, biafra has nothing (thank God u confessed it is only made up of igbos, so u cant claim SS oil) It is historically known that you not only hate others, u hate yourself also. Anambra man dislikes imo man and you call some of yourself osus- meaning slaves. That wont change. The south west fought a political war to replace oyo empire with regional democratic style government, we inter marry and can never have religious crises because we are civilized. Who told you south sudan likes what has become of them, biko read and stop embarrassing your entire tribe online 41 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Curlieweed: 6:10pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Mujtahida: I respect your views but I disagree that Nnamdi has been stupid. This is guerrilla marketing 101. Every publicity is good publicity. If he had used less aggressive language (especially against theYorubas), it's doubtful if IPOB will be getting as much free publicity (Biafra posts trend here on NL which wasn't always the case) than if he had followed the less bellicose tone favoured by MASSOB and similar groups. Ironically, the people that claimed they were insulted are the ones most responsible for inadvertently publicizing his mission. How is that stupid? Clearly, we as a species have not evolved to the point where appealing to our heads is as effective As skillfully pushing our emotional triggers. Furthermore, with the way the country is currently structured there is no feasible scenario where a less acrimonious separation is possible. Therefore, no matter how you look at it, Nigeria (ex-Biafra) would seek to impose punitive measures on the assets of their erstwhile compatriots ( notwithstanding the economic costs). Politics and economics intersect but they are not always the same thing). I will suggest that Biafrans should be mindful of that and take appropriate measures to mitigate that or at least accept it. 3 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 6:12pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: Lol! Which one come be SS again? Oyigbo, Egbema, Ukwa East, Oguta, Ohaji, all have crude oil. More will be discovered once the Biafran government petroleum ministry prioritize on more exploration using modern improved techniques. Moreover, Oil was never going to be the mainstay of Biafran economy. Industry, Commerce and Agriculture are the future! Did Kiriji not happen? Hehe! Did Wild Wild West not happen? South Sudan are not interested in forming any marriage with their Northern tormentor, they are wise people, unlike some people suffering from Stockholm syndrome. Anambra man have no issues with Imo man, they don't fight or kill themselves, they settle their issues diplomatically, something your Kiriji ancestors never figured how to do. Rather than go form your own country, bitter beings are here plotting how to make Biafra fail? As if your British colonial estate is not already a failed entity. You lots are shameless! Tufiakwa. 9 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 6:21pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Please who is stopping you o! Everyone is saying PACK UR LOAD and go! Since yesterday its been cries and lamentation on how you want to go, yet stay in another mans land. When india and pakistan separated who left with what? ( I know say u no sabi this one) South sudan left with nothing but what they have on. Now aboki says leave lets divide the country..... u came out claiming how you will leave and still remain, what dolts 42 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 6:26pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
author=Mujtahida post=57321172] If not for the crude and even stupid way Kanu and his cohorts have gone about the agitation for Biafra, asking for Biafra does not amount to denouncing Nigeria. If he had simply said 'we want our own country based on certain socio-historical and political factors and stuck to that line', I do not think that would have amounted to denouncing Nigeria. I may not understand the so called difference between asking for Biafra and denouncing Nigeria. it is a one way ticket in my opinion. Secessionists movements are known all over the world- the Kurds in Turkey, the Catalans in Spain, Texans and Californians in the US. Infact I didn't know that there's a Secessionist movement in Andalusia(Spain) until Sergio Ramos wrapped himself with their flag at the just concluded champions league final. Just a quick check on Wikipedia revealed that there are 32 countries in Europe with secessionists movements with some having at least three different secessionist movements (18 in Spain alone and 14 in France). Remember that the right to self determination is a universally recognised right enshrined in the United Nations Charter and the African Charter on Human and People's Rights. Are you implying here that kanu is not alone in his quest for secession? of course it is no longer news, the part I find amusing is that all the groups you mentioned have commenced the process on the global stage except kanu who is stuck on the radio. most mind boggling how he enlisted the support of folks who are educated. Your second paragraph: I did say EXCEPT we change our extant laws. My major point is that these things as it stands now are not so stark as you posit. Yes one can presume that Nigeria will act in ways that safeguards her interest and even get downright punitive and vindictive. However trust me when I tell you that even when the laws are changed there will be a lot of litigation in our courts on these issues. That much I can presume. You can't ask me to trust you when it you are selling your personal opinion, worse still, you didn't point to any verifiable fact in history that support your presumption. After the war in 1970, with a stroke of a pen, Nigeria seized all biafran funds in the bank left them with just 20 pounds, do you think there are no courts at the time? or you think the country went stand still because of the so called litigations that ensued? Abandoned property nko? This is what history taught me, in an event of a break up, Nigeria will get (let me borrow your words) "Punitive and Vindictive" because it is in their interest to do so, perhaps in 1970, it was convenient to take their money, today, it is convenient to take their properties, so yes Nigeria will respond in that manner, I am sure because it has happened before. So you should trust me not the other way round. Obtaining Governor's consent is not as hard as you make it look. I have done it for foreigners at least twice. But then maybe you speak from your own experience as these things vary. I am however aware that Lagos for example in her bid to become a global player is reforming her land laws because this are factors that go to determine the ease of doing business in a particular place. I don't reside in Lagos, where I reside, it is not a walk in the park, like you said, experience varies. 21 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Mujtahida: 7:16pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
jpphilips:When I say trust me it is because I am on very solid ground. I know what I am writing about. I am not being frivolous but it doesn't matter If you do or not trust but here are some facts:I know that there was an abandoned property Commission headed by David Mark then to determine the issues relating to properties abandoned by Igbos during the war. Again I know of Ojukwu's case which In fact I cited last week when an ipob youth was erroneously claiming Yorubas confiscated Ojukwu's father's property. The case is Military Governor of Lagos State v Ojukwu NWLR 1986 pt 18. Decided by the Supreme Court of Nigeria granting Ojukwu ownership of his father's property. In addition I do know that whenever there's a change of law, litigation follows as was the case following the enactment of the Land Use Act which altered drastically the nature of the legal status of real property in Nigeria. So if the citizenship laws change, I can safely presume that lots of litigation will follow because not many will want to let go of the fruit of their labour without a fight. Law after all is based on judicial precedent. Finally remember that Nigeria was under the heel of the military jackboot before and immediately after the War and this factor muzzled dissent. People were afraid, very afraid. Today we are a democracy (however imperfect) so even if the laws are changed it would still be challenged. Did you hear of any secessionist outcry, even pim, during the long military era? When did Nigeria return to Democracy? 1999. When was Massob formed? 1999. Coincidence? I don't think so. Would Kanu be alive today if he had dared as much as whisper a secessionist word during the military era? No, he'd be wasted by bullets into a disgusting wet mash without even any form of trial. So always remember that times have changed. Again I submit things are not in black and white. There are shades and angles to these issues. Cheers. 10 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 7:19pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: No, they are not evicting us out of Nigeria, they are evicting us out of their lands, while still laying claim to our lands as a part of Nigeria. If they want to send us packing, which is exactly what we want, they they should clamour that their NASS members do to us what Malaysia did to Singapore. Which is evicting them out of their country through revision of the constitution. Biafrans are already asking for referendum. Malaysia sent Singapore packing and never confiscated their investments. Today, both countries are better for it, with Singapore being the better country. Only failures focus more on bringing other people down than work on their own success, and Nigeria as we know it has been an epitome of failure, so, it's not surprising the path they are towing towards Biafra demand for self determination. Like I told you before, South Sudan would never exchange their current freedom no matter how rough it has been, for bondage at the hands of Northern Sudan. 9 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by TPAND(f): 7:49pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
What you Igbos want to do is to eat your cake and have it. Secede and lose your properties. We will also give you guys another Biafra must go bag 11 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Noneroone(m): 7:50pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
jpphilips:emotion emotion emotions without reason thats all i see in your comment 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 7:53pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Since you are the ones agitating for freedom since, what stops your representatives from senate and HOR from moving the motion ehn! Why do u need aboki to move your motion for you? So you hv a bunch of cowards representing you thr abi? How come you are not asking them to move for ref random instead of disturbing others 27 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by TPAND(f): 7:53pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Bullcrap! Other regions that want to join you like the south-south. How stupid are the idiotic minds of the gullible Biafra mugus 23 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Noneroone(m): 7:54pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
seunmsg:the same govt that will still come and beg Biafrans for foreign investment lol...Biafra dey pain una well well. Anyway sha u sound like a kid. Your elders will know better. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 7:56pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
fulanmafia: ....Premised on this assertion, why wont the frowning parties to any peaceful bilateral agreement for cessation, as a matter of remedy, frown at injustices and suppression meted out on Igbos in the present Nigeria setting ? 1 All eastern importers must come to clear goods from Apapa port while Port Harcourt port is concessioned to an individual northerner? 2. Nigeria would finance a coastal railway project with common wealth from federation account while Eastern rail route would be financed through a concession and the users of that route pays via tolling after contributing to coastal line financed with common wealth 3. Third mainland bridge and every other major bridges in Nigeria is financed from federation account whereas 2nd Niger bridge is concessioned.? 4. Every 2 kms along the eastern highway is marked with roadblocks by Nigerian forces who impede smooth movement of goods and services vide stop and search in a non war situation while western and other major routes are free from such? 5. No single representative from eastern block in the security council of Nigeria and that sounds right? 6. I can go on and on... Non of those ready to frown at happy cessation is frowning at all these now ![]() ![]() haba! 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 8:10pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
TPAND: Needless to remind you that Ghana's Currency (Cedi) is head and shoulder higher that Nigeria's Naira. A foretaste of what Biafra's future looks like. How I wish Biafra Must Go is now! 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Unimaginable123: 8:11pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
fulanmafia:u are just making noise. Igbos will continue living in the north as foreigners. Even if we dash u igbo businesses in the north, can u manage them when it's not cattle rearing? What happened to Zimbabwe when they introduced 'indigenization' policy and took away farmlands of whites and gave them to their locals? 1trillion Zimbabwe dollars couldn't buy a loaf of bread. It's in your interest to live in peace with biafrans, before this ur naira wil turn to idi amin Ugandan currency. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Unimaginable123: 8:12pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
TPAND:are there no Hausas living in other countries? Have they lost their properties? |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Unimaginable123: 8:14pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Dumaknesset:u are a dreamer. Big time dreamer 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Wyttcat: 8:27pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Nothingburger! Don't mind the people saying that, it is only coming from the "unity beggars" that are afraid of living on their own. Ibos deserve to have their country, so are Niger deltans, Middle belt and Oodua. Seizing other people's properties has never and will not happen in the SW. The biafrans will either have to sell their properties off, for cheap of course or keep them as expatriates with triple taxation, resident permit and there will be a minimum amount of around $500,000 to be able to maintain a business in Yorubaland, so there will be just a handfull of ibos left in Yorubaland anyway because most of them won't be able to afford to live there. These expatriates will all renew their properties with 50 years lease hold as opposed to 99 years as Nigerians. The Biafrans will then have to make up their minds if it's worth it for them. And that is if the country breaks up amicably, if not, all ibos properties in the SW will be torched. You can't declare war on us and still expect to come back and live with us. 16 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 8:36pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: Lol! You are the one saying that you had evicted us. When I showed you how true eviction is done, you now realized that you are still holding us down, since you have acknowledged that we are still agitating for freedom. Well, chew on this: https://www.nairaland.com/3839894/restructuring-igbo-reps-seek-national 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 8:50pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Mazi confusionist what are you people looking for, biafra or restructuring within nigeria? The link u sent says restructuring. Tell ur reps to move for separation and biafra or else keep shut and remain slaves to nigeria 8 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 8:57pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: "Members of the House of Representatives from the South-East geopolitical zone have called for a provision for referendum in the Nigerian constitution to open up avenues for discussions on self-determination by Nigerians." Lol! 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by intruxive(m): 9:05pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
pazienza:Lol, jokes on you. Is the same people celebrating a second reading on south east development....... biko please follow up on the news, I mean the real news o, not what u hear on radio biafra. Non of ur reps is interested in leaving nigeria guy, just kanu and the rest of the broke unsuccessful lots of you remaining in the east 13 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 9:07pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
kernel505: For real, you want to know my Alma mater! I am particularly not curious about yours. Check out your syntax, concord, et al. By the way, keep living in denial. Highest real estate developers, thank you for developing Lagos, but don't let the door hit your bum bum on your way outta of Nigeria. 19 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by pazienza(m): 9:21pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
intruxive: Lol! |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by kingzizzy: 9:34pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
Dumaknesset: Im not a lawyer, but it is still within the rights of an independent Biafran nation to take Nigeria to for 'ownership rights' of its citizens. As most will recall, Cameroon took Nigeria to court over ownership of the Oil rich Bakassi peninsular and won. Lets look at a worst case scenario. Lets just assume that Biafra gets independence and Nigeria decided to have no diplomatic relation with Biafra and moves to expel all Biafrans and sieze their assets and properties. The Biafran Government is most likely to take the Nigerian Government to court over illegal aquisition of assets. It will be quite interesting to know what reasons Nigeria will have for siezing lawfully aqcuired assets of other people. However, the implications for Nigeria and the Nigerian Government is most likely to be disasterous. 1) No international investor will ever step foot in Nigeria ever again because it will be noteworthy international news that the Nigerian Government can sieze the assets of foreigners, without compensation, just for being foreigners 2)The existing international investors are most likely to liquidate their investments and leave. Investors dont like uncertainty. When the current investors realise that they are in a country where their investments can be siezed based on citizenship, none of them will feel safe about their investments 3) The siezing of people assets and their expulsion is most likely to erode the image of Nigeria in the international community while attracting a lot of sympathy for Biafra. 4) It is quite possible that the UN might impose sanctions on Nigeria, especially if the international court rules against Nigeria 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by salford: 9:52pm On Jun 08, 2017 |
jpphilips:It is the same thing in the Canada. All land belongs to the crown aka Government of Canada. In the Philippines. You can't also buy a land as a foreigner except you use a proxy. But the proxies eventually kick them out and inherit the land too since the property is in the proxy's name. Happened to a friend I know. He lost 30,000 dollars worth of landed property to his proxy girlfriend..lol 3 Likes |
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