Riduane:



I will try. Thanks for the advice.

Most welcome dear brother.

Empiree:
I am HR. I dey do payroll. Payrol staff stays up late. Probably wont sleep anyways till sahur.

Good for you. Make your payroll sha favor me o

Beother Rilwayne001 why dem dey ban you like this ehn.

Riduane:


How about microphone and speaker

Microphone and speaker was not invented or started as a form of religious activities.

But prayer beads was used by other religion like Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Sikhism, Ifa etc, it was started as a form of prayer chanting.

I use prayer beads when I was still religious but I don't ascribe any divinity to it like many Muslims do e.g bulalas. I don't take prayer beads around.

You will see some Muslims wearing beads on their neck, hanging it in their car, keeping in their bags, using it while walking on the road even in bus stops as a form of protection but when ifa people do same they(Muslims) will criticize them.

I'm not hear to condemn muslims that use beads but to point out their hypocrisy.

Lol.. That's not tolerance brother, that's confusion. Virtually all the religions in the world contradict one another, claiming to believe in all amounts to believing in an obvious pool of contradiction, which is tantamount to being confused.

Tolerance on the other hand is seeing others doing what you don't do or people that differs in your ideology and yet without you being perturbed by that. tolerance is seeing people for who they are.

It would be better if you claim to be freethinker. However, note that freethinkers cannot possibly form an illogical belief. Claiming to be following all religions of the world is illogical.

Why don't you kuku join the Flying Spaghetti Monster hahaha

Lol, do I say I believe in all of the religion dogmas? I believe in their morality that's all, I don't do any of their practice and I don't act bigotry, the days of my bigotry has gone.

I believe all religion are all right in their own ways, I don't believe a particular religion is the only way and as well will dominate a fairyland-like in the sky or wherever it is.

Raintaker:
No one is asking you not to tolerate other religions, your previous statement presented you as confused.
Following all religions means U actually don't believe in any religion. The statement is just something you say to reassure yourself every now and then.

Do you tolerate other religion?

I don't believe in any religion dogmas, is that hard to figure out?

lanrexlan:


You sha have hope than others.



You too stop breaking rules na. Stop all those name callings na (flatie, afonja, aboki) >: I guess that's what always trigger your ban >:

Turn a new leaf and be like tintingz, they won't ban you again

Lol

tintingz:
Do you tolerate other religion?
Of course I do, doing otherwise would be against d tenets of Islam.Moreover I live in a secular country and I belong to a tribe who believe in d live and let live ideology.

I don't believe in any religion dogmas, is that hard to figure out?

No it's not hard to figure out, I already figured out you are a non believer going by your statement 'I don't believe in any religion dogma'.
There is a popular wise saying that goes thus: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

emekaRaj:
Uhm dis present location is strange, it seems like everyone, every mosque, everywhere I go belong to one sect or the other with strange rules, i went to Sheikh luqman tafsir yesterday with my brother, an all through I was with my tesby, doing zikr, so I noticed few pple lookin at us, and my brother wisper to me that this sect (let me nt call their name) believe tesby is shirk. Uhm ...... how can U tell me usin tesby is shirk. How can I remember Allah 24/7 especially in this ramadan.

God forbid bad thing, am done with dis guys

I hav decided to form my own sect called ROOMIMIYA, (we are the low key, alone with God in d room sect)

If e pain u...... I DEY FOR HOUSE COME AND BEAT ME.
Meanwhile if u want to join, Hola

is it sheik Lukman idris in Akure(ondo state)?

Raintaker:
No it's not hard to figure out, I already figured out you are a non believer going by your statement 'I don't believe in any religion dogma'.
There is a popular wise saying that goes thus: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

You didn't answer my question, are you tolerant towards other beliefs?

tintingz:
You didn't answer my question, are you tolerant towards other beliefs?

Check back, I already answered.
Of course I am.

Raintaker:
Check back, I already answered.
Of course I am.

OK, you don't have problem with pagan beliefs?

tintingz:
Beother **** why dem dey ban you like this ehn. .

Abeg, edit your post, no let them ban me for 10years

Microphone and speaker was not invented or started as a form of religious activitiquot But prayer beads was used by other religion like Hinduism, Buddhism, Catholicism, Sikhism, Ifa etc, it was started as a form of prayer chantiquo I use prayer beads when I was still religious but I don't ascribe any divinity to it like many Muslims do e.g bulalas. I don't take prayer beads arounqu You will see some Muslims wearing beads on their neck, hanging it in their car, keeping in their bags, using it while walking on the road even in bus stops as a form of protection but when ifa people do same they(Muslims) will criticize themq I'm not hear to condemn muslims that use beads but to point out their hypocrisy.

I really don't understand the argument you are pushing for here because i can't find any hypocrisy you are trying to expose here. More like you are beating a dead horse.

Like you said @bold, the other guy was not trying to prove that divinity could be attached to tesbiy as well..,

Lol, do I say I believe in all of the religion dogmas?

When you say follow all religions of the world, i don't suppose you meant something else.

I believe in their morality that's all, I don't do any of their practice and.

This is yet another contradictory post. How can you believe in something and yet don't practice it? And you know quite well that what is moral in a particular religion might be immoral in the other, how can you then believe in all at a time? That's tantamount to confusion like i said.

I don't act bigotry, the days of my bigotry has gone.

Neither do I.

I believe all religion are all right in their own ways, I don't believe a particular religion is the only way and as well will dominate a fairyland-like in the sky or wherever it is.

.

Ok. But know that believing a particular religion to be the only way doesn't make one a bigot rather intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself..

tintingz:
OK, you don't have problem with pagan beliefs?

Bros I don't have a problem with your pagan belief, my own is into invite you to the right path, if your belief is not in tandem with the Almighty Allah.
And it is Allah that guides whom he wills.

Riduane:


Abeg, edit your post, no let them ban me for 10years

Lol.

I really don't understand the argument you are pushing for here because i can't find any hypocrisy you are trying to expose here. More like you are beating a dead horse.

Like you said @bold, the other guy was not trying to prove that divinity could be attached to tesbiy as well..,

The hypocrisy is Muslims criticize pagans for using beads as protection while these same Muslim use beads everywhere they go.

The guy(emekaraj) I quoted is an example, he thinks remembering Allah is chanting his name with prayer beads everywhere he goes, he has ascribe divinity to the beads. He forgot that the islamic lecture he went for is also remembering Allah but he put importance more in the beads, why can't he just suspend the tesbih and focus on the lecture.

When you say follow all religions of the world, i don't suppose you meant something else.

This is yet another contradictory post. How can you believe in something and yet don't practice it? And you know quite well that what is moral in a particular religion might be immoral in the other, how can you then believe in all at a time? That's tantamount to confusion like i said.

Again I don't believe in every religion(dogmas) but their morality they preach, Yes what is moral in this religion might be immoral in another religion but there are universal morality, every religion preach one to be kind, good, give charity, respect elders etc. I make use of my reasoning, empathy.

Neither do I.

Ok.

Ok. But know that believing a particular religion to be the only way doesn't make one a bigot rather intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself..

Trust me it makes one a bigot since you believe your religion is the only way and every other religion are doomed and will damn in hell for eternity. A sheikh will condemn, abuse Christians, a pastor will also do same publicly, because their books told them they are losers? Is that tolerance?

One can be in a religion and be tolerance but the percentage of these people is very low.

Raintaker:
Bros I don't have a problem with your pagan belief, my own is into invite you to the right path, if your belief is not in tandem with the Almighty Allah.
And it is Allah that guides whom he wills.

If I don't accept the right path what will happen to me?

And don't forget Allah also said he misguide/mislead.

tintingz:


If I don't accept the right path what will happen to me?

And don't forget Allah also said he misguide/mislead.

Bro pagan Allah does not misguide or mislead, you are being blasphemous which is a sign of a kufar.
If you don't accept d right part, then you'll be left for Allah to judge.

Raintaker:
Bro pagan Allah does not misguide or mislead, you are being blasphemous which is a sign of a kufar.
If you don't accept d right part, then you'll be left for Allah to judge.

I'm not being blasphemous, it is what the Quran said.

“Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 14:4]".

You already know what will be of those that didn't accept the so called right path, stop acting ignorant.

tintingz:


I'm not being blasphemous, it is what the Quran said.

“Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 14:4]".

You already know what will be of those that didn't accept the so called right path, stop acting ignorant.

If you don't know always ask questions;Here is the tafsir of Quran 14:14
Read well and digest, Quranic verses are never taken in isolation to be translated cos the Quran is a continuous 23 years revelation.
Here it is:
6. That is, although the Messenger conveys the message in the mother tongue of the people, which is understood by everyone of them, yet all of them are not guided aright. This happens because of the fact that all of those who understand a message do not necessarily accept it. For it is entirely with Allah to show guidance by means of His message to anyone He wills and to let go astray anyone in spite of it.
7. As Allah is All-Powerful, no one is able by oneself to get guidance or to go astray, for none is completely independent but is under the power of Allah. But as He is All-Wise, He does not use His power blindly so as to show guidance to anyone He wills and to let go astray anyone He desires without rhyme or reason. In fact, the one who gets guidance from Him gets it on merit and the one who is let go astray is deprived of guidance because he himself deliberately chooses deviation.

tintingz:


I'm not being blasphemous, it is what the Quran said.

“Then Allah misleads whom He wills and guides whom He wills.” [Quran 14:4]".

You already know what will be of those that didn't accept the so called right path, stop acting ignorant.

The second part of your question, I don't still understand; are you referring to those who deliberately reject clear signs like yourself?

You guys are derailing this thread... Take your talk to the side talk thread or open a thread for it..

I wish the moderators can come clean up this place a bit.

tintingz:
Lol.


The hypocrisy is Muslims criticize pagans for using beads as protection while these same Muslim use beads everywhere they go.

The guy(emekaraj) I quoted is an example, he thinks remembering Allah is chanting his name with prayer beads everywhere he goes, he has ascribe divinity to the beads. He forgot that the islamic lecture he went for is also remembering Allah but he put importance more in the beads, why can't he just suspend the tesbih and focus on the lecture.



Again I don't believe in every religion(dogmas) but their morality they preach, Yes what is moral in this religion might be immoral in another religion but there are universal morality, every religion preach one to be kind, good, give charity, respect elders etc. I make use of my reasoning, empathy.

Ok.

Trust me it makes one a bigot since you believe your religion is the only way and every other religion are doomed and will damn in hell for eternity. A sheikh will condemn, abuse Christians, a pastor will also do same publicly, because their books told them they are losers? Is that tolerance?

One can be in a religion and be tolerance but the percentage of these people is very low.

Oooooooo ooo this dude won't just leave my moniker must u mention me.

What is he doing here now, there is a competition he is nt participating, just derailing

U guys should free this guy pls, he is a confused jobless attention seeker. If u hav read all his arguments u will knw that the same thing he is defending today he will be against 2mrw, perhaps he does dat to kip himself busy or feel relevant, but one sure thing is the more u talk to this guy the more he mock the religion of Islam.

Empiree:
I am HR. I dey do payroll. Payrol staff stays up late. Probably wont sleep anyways till sahur.

There should be a commission line up for the op now

Raintaker:
If you don't know always ask questions;Here is the tafsir of Quran 14:14
Read well and digest, Quranic verses are never taken in isolation to be translated cos the Quran is a continuous 23 years revelation.
Here it is:
6. That is, although the Messenger conveys the message in the mother tongue of the people, which is understood by everyone of them, yet all of them are not guided aright. This happens because of the fact that all of those who understand a message do not necessarily accept it. For it is entirely with Allah to show guidance by means of His message to anyone He wills and to let go astray anyone in spite of it.
7. As Allah is All-Powerful, no one is able by oneself to get guidance or to go astray, for none is completely independent but is under the power of Allah. But as He is All-Wise, He does not use His power blindly so as to show guidance to anyone He wills and to let go astray anyone He desires without rhyme or reason. In fact, the one who gets guidance from Him gets it on merit and the one who is let go astray is deprived of guidance because he himself deliberately chooses deviation.

You said it yourself, "Allah guide and mislead whom he desire".

Since Allah is all-knowing then he knows does that will deviate?

tintingz:
You said it yourself, "Allah guide and mislead whom he desire".

Since Allah is all-knowing then he knows does that will deviate?

Allah is all powerful, if he wishes to send money into your account from his abode, he has d power to do it. But will he do it? of course not, you have to work for it, then he blesses you.
That's d simple analogy.

emekaRaj:


Oooooooo ooo this dude won't just leave my moniker must u mention me.

What is he doing here now, there is a competition he is nt participating, just derailing

U guys should free this guy pls, he is a confused jobless attention seeker. If u hav read all his arguments u will knw that the same thing he is defending today he will be against 2mrw, perhaps he does dat to kip himself busy or feel relevant, but one sure thing is the more u talk to this guy the more he mock the religion of Islam.

For your info, I'm not jobless, I'm schooling and also work independently, I earn my money. You don't know me I don't know you.

Raintaker:
Allah is all powerful, if he wishes to send money into your account from his abode, he has d power to do it. But will he do it? of course not, you have to work for it, then he blesses you.
That's d simple analogy.

Does he knows I will work for the money or not?

Raintaker:
Allah is all powerful, if he wishes to send money into your account from his abode, he has d power to do it. But will he do it? of course not, you have to work for it, then he blesses you.
That's d simple analogy.

Na your own dey pain me pass, I told u to free d guy, hav u seen how he is talking about Almighty, majestic Allah SWT. U will hear worse from him if you continue

emekaRaj:


Na your own dey pain me pass, I told u to free d guy, hav u seen how he is talking about Almighty, majestic Allah SWT. U will hear worse from him if you continue

Thanks,
I decided not to reply him again when I found out that he does not even read through anything you explain to him.

Al Jabbar: The Compeller Our Yoruba Alfas, Shuyukh and Maulana would say "Jabbaru, ismi awon agbalagba"


Al-Jabbaar is one of the authentic Names of Allah (swt) and it means ‘one who compels or restores.’ Al-Jabbaar, like the majority of the Names of Allah, is of an intensified form so Al-Jabbar not only means ‘one who restores,’ but “the One who restores completely.’ Jabbaar is from the root jabr (ج ب ر or جبر), and this root has several meanings:


a) The first meaning is ‘to pressurize, to compel and force someone to do something.’ From this, it is understood to mean ‘to tyrannize someone and be tyrannical.’ We learn from the Qur’an that:

وَإِذَا بَطَشْتُم بَطَشْتُمْ جَبَّارِينَ
“And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.” (Qur’an, 26:130)


Similarly in Surat al-Maryam, Prophet `Isa `alayhi salaam says:


a) The first meaning is ‘to pressurize, to compel and force someone to do something.’ From this, it is understood to mean ‘to tyrannize someone and be tyrannical.’ We learn from the Qur’an that: وَإِذَا بَطَشْتُم بَطَشْتُمْ جَبَّارِينَ

“And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.” (Qur’an, 26:130)


Similarly in Surat al-Maryam, Prophet `Isa `alayhi salaam says: وَلَمْ يَجْعَلْنِي جَبَّارًا شَقِيًّا

“And He has not made me a wretched tyrant.” (Qur’an, 19:32)




b) Secondly, jabr means ‘to be strong, tall and great.’ ‘Nakhlatun Jabbaarah’ is used to describe a tall date palm tree that is very strong and gives a lot of fruit. Also in the Qur’an, when Bani Isra’eel (the children of the tribe of Isra’eel) were told to enter the city of Jerusalem, they said:


إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًا جَبَّارِينَ

“Indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength.” (Qur’an, 5:22)



c) The third meaning of jabr is ‘to repair the broken, fix and reform something.’ When something is incomplete and you complete it, that act is called jabr. Furthermore, when there is a deficiency and you make up for it that is called jabr. (Interesting fact: from the same root is the word ‘algebra:’ you ‘fix’ the equation. The word ‘jabeerah’ is also used for a splint, to help broken bones.)



Proof for this Name

The word ‘Jabbaar’ appears 10 times in the Qur’an, but only once for Allah (swt). This word is used nine times for people who are strong, oppressive, or commit dhulm (injustice), who compel and force others. The last time it is used in the Qur’an in Surat al-Hashr (verse 23) is for Allah (swt).



If Allah is Jabbaar, what does it mean?


a) According to al Khattaabi, it means: “He is the One who forces His creation upon what He commands and upon what He has forbidden. In other words, whatever Allah wills, His will is executed.” The first meaning of Jabbaar is ‘Compeller,’ so whatever He wills is what happens. He is the One who implements His will. SUBHANALLAH!


b) Secondly, it means ‘al ‘Aali fawqa khalqihi’, the One who is Exalted and High above His creation. In other words, He is the Greatest One. We said ‘nakhlatun jabbaarah’ is the tallest tree in the orchard. Allaah (swt) being al-Jabbaar is the Greatest and there is no one else who is greater than Him. He is the One who is Qawwiy, A’dheem (The Most Strong, The Most Great). He is the One who has ‘tawl’: He owns a lot and can give a lot. The Supreme Power and Authority belongs to Him Alone.


c) Thirdly, Jabbaar means ‘Al Muslih, the One who Reforms, the One who fixes the situation for His creation. When we find our resources to be incomplete, Allah (swt) completes them. When we are unable to reach our goals, Allah (swt) assists us. He is the One who amends the affairs of His creation. It means if a slave is unable to reach His goal, Al-Jabbaar will enable Him and provide Him with the sources to reach this goal

Wait is this wat we get for d competition
Iam not understanding

emekaRaj:
Wait is this wat we get for d competition
Iam not understanding

Lol...you are hasty. If you read and understood from day 1, i said your gifts are remitted starting from Eld. Results however will be out most likely this week. Participants are graded already. Just taking my time cus I can be very tired after returning from work and taraweeh etc. You dont even know if you are amongst the winners

emekaRaj:
Wait is this wat we get for d competition

Isn't Jabar enough gift for your competition?

Empiree:
Isn't Jabar enough gift for your competition?

It would have been enough if you told us how to use it

Hkana:


It would have been enough if you told us how to use it