poseidon12:


In the US, the judiciary is independent, unlike in Nigeria. The case will be decided on its merits by the judge, not by Trump. Trump has still not gotten his Muslim travel ban through the courts.

The US judiciary is independent of individuals, but their verdict can be predicted
by their ideology.

The judicial process may be slow and there are several layers of appeal in the US, the travel ban has not been killed,
so any verdict by a lower court is not in itself a total victory to be celebrated.

chngebeginwthme:


Same way that of Trump and Netanyahu do vam for my eyes like Nepa light? haha..


Well You have been asked to go what are you still waiting for? pack your load and relocate back to your country now..

since the beginning of the year I av been in
Biafra land

poseidon12:


And you call the present administration a democratic government?

You still fail to understand the premise here, was the government voted in by the people? YES! Hence, it is democratic! You might say that Nigeria is not a perfect democracy but the same can be said of the USA with the election of Trump. Now to your other statement regarding the ATCA and Tort, you might want to go back and read my posts in this forum, I hate repeating myself over and over especially to a primitive specie!

jumobi1:


Fantastic job but it applies only to the ATC Acts...

"The Supreme Court's 2013 decision in Kiobel v. Royal Dutch Petroleum Company,22 which applied the presumption against extraterritoriality to bar the application of the Alien Tort Claims Act to acts in the territory of a foreign sovereign raises the question whether the same construction will be given to the Torture Victim Protection Act. Arguably, the most appropriate answer seems to be no. The text of the TVPA, particularly its exhaustion of remedies provision, Section 2(b), seems to rebut the presumption by suggesting that actions may arise from conduct outside the United States. Moreover, although the majority opinion in Kiobel did not refer to the TVPA, the two concurring opinions, expressing the opinions of five Justices, reflected the view that the Act applied to human rights abuses committed abroad. 23However, the political question doctrine may bar the claim in cases of drone strikes and alleged extra-judicial killings"

That is the only act that matters in terms of criminal charges but in terms of civil lawsuits then the tort act applies but will be dismissed because the plaintiffs did not meet the prerequisites!

abbey621:


That is the only act that matters in terms of criminal charges but in terms of civil lawsuits then the tort act applies but will be dismissed because the plaintiffs did not meet the prerequisites!

You're wrong bro. Both are for civil actions not criminal. You think they brought civil and criminal charges in one case? Lol
I studied these acts in law school. Yes in the US.

Obiwiz:

Are you bitter? Why? Do you stand to gain or lose anything by reason of selfdetermination for eastern Nigeria? Be happy to part ways with anyone who doesn't cherish your company... Na wa o. The obsession about this selfdetermination thing is too much- it's suspicious. And all these are lending credence to the cause. A level playing field for everyone is what I personally want, whatever brings it is welcomed by me.

Bitter did you say?

I'm just appalled by the embarrassing foolery being display by the Ipob youths.

Or are you one of them?

jumobi1:


You're wrong bro. Both are for civil actions not criminal. You think they brought civil and criminal charges in one case? Lol
I studied these acts in law school. Yes in the US.

We are saying the same thing, both acts are civil suits but only one of them have ever been applied as a precursor to a criminal case brought before ICC. As a lawyer you should be quite aware of how the ATS is perceived in the international community. This is why I mentioned in my initial post that the district court won't get Biafrans what they really want and that is criminal prosecution.

Hizzy:
since the beginning of the year I av been in
Biafra land

Then ask your brothers to do the same, Na by force to be in other region? Who are the unity beggars now? You guy said you want to go and have been crying for that for decades, Now they ask you guys to leave una come dey beg to stay again. haha

bobowaja:


He never committed a crime. He is doing his duty as contained in his country constitution - to make his country remain as one and resist any forces that will do the opposite.

you are evil...

If you think burutai commited no crime for allowing his men shoot on unarmed protesters then such will before you and your family

Candyrain:


Educate urself small

Alien Tort Statute

The Alien Tort Statute (28 U.S.C. § 1350; ATS), also called the Alien Tort Claims Act (ATCA), is a section of the United States Code that reads: "The district courts shall have original jurisdiction of any civil action by an alien for a tort only, committed in violation of the law of nations or a treaty of the United States." Since 1980, courts have interpreted this statute to allow foreign citizens to seek remedies in U.S. courts for human-rights violations for conduct committed outside the United States.

Mr man, the last time I checked, Nigeria is an independent Nation. America is not UN. Can Nigerian court handle American internal issue under any treaty? You can go sell urself to the Americans.

abbey621:


We are saying the same thing, both acts are civil suits but only one of them have ever been applied as a precursor to a criminal case brought before ICC. As a lawyer you should be quite aware of how the ATS is perceived in the international community. This is why I mentioned in my initial post that the district court won't get Biafrans what they really want and that is criminal prosecution.

Enlighten me. Because as a lawyer, I know not all US lawyers are familiar or well versed with the Alien Tort Claims Act. If truly only one of them has ever been applied, why hasn't the other been applied as a precursor.

Btw are you a lawyer?

NLandIsHypocrit:
This time it won't be business as usual, already there's enough evidence on ground, the videos of how they killed innocent youths in Onitsha, Awka, Aba and others are all over the youtube, you can just make a simple search for "Nigeria soldiers kills IPOB members in Onitsha" and the rest will flood around so is not the question of I didn't do it, or I'm not aware. The one that happened in Port Harcourt on 20th January 2017 during the IPOB rally for the inauguration of President Trump, I was there life and everything happened before my very eyes, A guy was gunned down right in my front before some of us retreated, but it was quite unfortunate that they also came out and denied it. Buratai thought he would have been the super hero the moment he kills innocent, armless and law abiding IPOB members for hate and frivolous reasons. We hope that Justice will surely prevail because those killed are more humans than their killers. Even if Justice fails to come through this Chanel, one thing is undisputable, all those who participated in the killings of innocent IPOB members either directly or indirectly must surely pay a heavy price, anyone of them who escapes the physical nets will never escape the spiritual nets.

Isee Isee Isee

Ijaya123:


Bitter did you say?

I'm just appalled by the embarrassing foolery being display by the Ipob youths.

Or are you one of them?

Do you have anything against a call for selfdetermination? There's so much pain in your tone.

frankmoney:
United States can not jail buratai , they posses no legal right , only the ICJ can do that not USA

If the US court rules against him, let him travel there if he has 20 heads on his neck, you can also volunteer to be his bodyguard.

The useless murderous and corrupt abokii has properties there, it will be confiscated if he is guilty. You ewedu and kunu drinking muslims think everyone is as daft as zoogerians!

chngebeginwthme:



Then ask your brothers to do the same, Na by force to be in other region? Who are the unity beggars now? You guy said you want to go and have been crying for that for decades, Now they ask you guys to leave una come dey beg to stay again. haha

do u av any of your relation staying in another country tell him or her to comeback home

jumobi1:


Enlighten me. Because as a lawyer, I know not all US lawyers are familiar or well versed with the Alien Tort Claims Act. If truly only one of them has ever been applied, why hasn't the other been applied as a precursor.

Btw are you a lawyer?

I work in the insurance industry and my mentor is a Judge, we also recently had 2 cases involving our international business partners and these acts. It's not that both can't be applied but they have different conditions which makes one easily applicable than the other. I keep telling them on this forum that it is even harder to apply them to a democratic government

Hizzy:

do u av any of your relation staying in another country tell him or her to comeback home

LOL what has another country got to do with Nigeria? We are still one Nigeria and you guys want to break away and have your own Country.. So do you mean you want to have your biafra and still remain in Nigeria?

kingzizzy:
But then again, Scotland agreed to be part of the UK when they signed the 1707 "Act Of Union" which formally made them part of the UK. Can you show me any documentation where Igbos, there leaders or representatives signed to be part of Nigeria? In which parliament did Lugard move a motion for the creation of Nogeria? If you cant answer tbese questions then you will have to admit that Nigeria is an enforced colonial creation and that any of the indigenous ethnic group(s) has the right to demand and be given a referendum that allows them to stay or exit the illegal Nigerian union which they never agreed to be part of.

Do you see why I do not like schooling little kids like you? It is because you often digress by going off on an unrelated tangent, that is diametrically opposed to the topic under discussion. The issue being discussed is NOT how ethnic groups came together to form a nation. The issue is your ethnic group's desire for a referendum and their clamour for secession, as well as the way they keep expecting other ethnic groups to do their dirty jobs for them.

You chaps want a referendum. No problem. But there is a stipulated process that you have to follow in order to get it. Let your SE senators, House of Reps elected members at federal and state level move the motion for a referendum in the legislature. Simple.

That is how most countries have done it. And that is how Scotland did their own. I repeat: a Welsh or a British MP did NOT do so for the Scottish. Why is that so hard for you to understand? And why are you talking about how Scotland agreed to be part of the UK when they signed the 1707 Act Of Union? Was that the question you were asked?

laudate:


Do you see why I do not like schooling little kids like you? It is because you often digress by going off on an unrelated tangent, that is diametrically opposed to the topic under discussion. The issue being discussed is NOT how ethnic groups came together to form a nation. The issue is your ethnic group's desire for a referendum and their clamour for secession, as well as the way they keep expecting other ethnic groups to do their dirty jobs for them.

You chaps want a referendum. No problem. But there is a stipulated process that you have to follow in order to get it. Let your SE senators, House of Reps elected members at federal and state level move the motion for a referendum in the legislature. Simple.

That is how most countries have done it. And that is how Scotland did their own. I repeat: a Welsh or a British MP did NOT do so for the Scottish. Why is that so hard for you to understand? And why are you talking about how Scotland agreed to be part of the UK when they signed the 1707 Act Of Union? Was that the question you were asked?

You were the one who used Scotland as an example of how to go about getting a referendum and all I did was explain to you why the Scottish example does not apply to Biafrans.

Scotland formally agreed to be part of Britain in 1707. They agreed to a marriage. That is why they had to seek a political way out when they sought a divorce.


Igbos on the hand never agreed to be part of the union of Nigeria, they never agreed to a marriage. So how can Igbos be asked to go through a divorce process when there was never any marriage?

Nigeria is the illegal creation of the white man and unless you can show that Lugard went to a national assembly to create Nigeria via a democratic process, dont ask Igbos Biafrans or Igbos to do the same to get out of a union of Nigeria which they were forced into against their will

kingzizzy:
You were the one who used Scotland as an example of how to go about getting a referendum and all I did was explain to you why the Scottish example does not apply to Biafrans.

Scotland formally agreed to be part of Britain in 1707. They agreed to a marriage. That is why they had to seek a political way out when they sought a divorce.

Igbos on the hand never agreed to be part of the union of Nigeria, they never agreed to a marriage. So how can Igbos be asked to go through a divorce process when there was never any marriage?

Nigeria is the illegal creation of the white man and unless you can show that Lugard went to a national assembly to create Nigeria via a democratic process, dont ask Igbos Biafrans or Igbos to do the same to get out of a union of Nigeria which they were forced into against their will

You are still digressing, rambling and going off-point. Did anyone ask you if the Igbo agreed to any marriage? Did anyone ask you how Scotland became part of the UK? Stick to the topic. The only topic under discussion, is the Igbo quest for a referendum. Ask your elected representatives to go about it the right way, and table the matter in the senate and house of reps, if they are serious. Chikena!

laudate:


You are still digressing, rambling and going off-point. Did anyone ask you if the Igbo agreed to any marriage? Did anyone ask you how Scotland became part of the UK? Stick to the topic. The only topic under discussion, is the Igbo quest for a referendum. Ask your elected representatives to go about it the right way, and table the matter in the senate and house of reps, if they are serious. Chikena!

We are not going to ask a country we never agreed to part of to give us a referendum. Instead, are are going to use civil disobedience, protest, non participation in elections and other peaceful and legal means to put pressure on this government to conduct a referendum in the lower Niger.

You Nigerians must think we are stupid. You want us to move a motion in the National Assembly that is 100% guaranteed to fail as the rest of you will gangup to vote for 'one Nigeria'. Laughable

kingzizzy:
We are not going to ask a country we never agreed to part of to give us a referendum. Instead, are are going to use civil disobedience, protest, non participation in elections and other peaceful and legal means to put pressure on this government to conduct a referendum in the lower Niger.

You Nigerians must think we are stupid. You want us to move a motion in the National Assembly that is 100% guaranteed to fail as the rest of you will gangup to vote for 'one Nigeria'. Laughable

You are going to use.... what? Civil disobedience, protest, non participation in elections .....? To get your proposed republic? I laugh in Greek!

chngebeginwthme:



LOL what has another country got to do with Nigeria? We are still one Nigeria and you guys want to break away and have your own Country.. So do you mean you want to have your biafra and still remain in Nigeria?

so want us to go while u send soldiers on us it's funny

Hizzy:

so want us to go while u send soldiers on us it's funny

LOL send soldier on you? by who if i may ask? hahah Go back to your region if you truly want Biafra hahaha chest beaters hahaha..

jumobi1:



LOLOLOL. You don't know what you're talking about. The Torture Victims Protection Act and Alien Tort Claims Act enacted by the US Congress gives the US Court jurisdiction. The issue will be the enforceability of the judgment on a non-us citizen/resident defendant with no assets or property interests in the US. You don't know the plaintiff so you don't know the strength of their case. Even if the situation is normal is Nigeria, it is irrelevant if it is not internationally recognized to be normal. Ultimately the plaintiffs may lose but we don't know yet since the court took the case rather than throw it out for lack of merit.

Yes, we'll just take your word for it. Lets just ignore the fact that I was a AUSA for over a decade. You Nigerians and your pretending to know it all always give me heart palpitations..

This is why I deactivated my account but I just got notification on my phone about this old post and had to make another one just to respond to this. You guys give me a headache its not even funny.

Nuttybynature:

however, recently, the Supreme Court of California as well as the Court of Appeal the fifth Circuit in New York has decided that the Act is a nuisance as it goes beyond being a watchman to being a hunter...

You did good on everything else, and I completely agree with your premise, but just a quick question:

ON WHAT PLANET IS THE U.S COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT SITUATED IN NEW YORK?!


I swear you Nigerians and the tendency to pretend to know something which you're obviously not versed in....

excanny:


If the judge didn't throw out their suit, it means they did all necessary prerequisites.

No, it just means they filed properly with the clerk and paid the necessary filing fees. It doesn't mean this sham of a suit won't be tossed in the end. Like I previously stated, this is obviously a waste of time of the Court and I can just imagine the present mindset and temperament of the Judge burdened with this crap of a case.

abbey621:


You must have a serious problem with Osogbo people cos I've never been there The court will hear any case brought before it, it is a freaking district court, one of the lowest in the USA. Call me when they have Burutai in chains....ODE!

A U.S District Court is not "one of the lowest in the U.S.A", thats very condescending. Its the Lowest court in the Federal System,yes, but without stepping foot in it you can't seek redress in higher Federal Courts. Its a system.

12Monkeys:


Do you know what a federal district court is?

This is not the judge Judy you are familiar with.

Ask Bola and Remi Tinubu to tell you how they faced serious felony and ricco charges in the same Federal district court

To educate your ignorant taju afonja ass, there are only 11 Federal district courts for all 50 states in the US.

Olodo

And here we go again.....

This country has almost 100 Federal Judicial Districts and each State/Territory had at least one District Court. Depending on the size of the State there can be as many as 3-5 separate District Courts in it. Take New York State for example, as small as the Boroughs are, there are District Courts in Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Whiteplains; and we haven't yet started talking about the ones upstate in places like Albany, Rochester, Buffalo etc. Then if we move over to bigger states like Texas, California etc You get the point now don't you?

I think its a Nigerian thing to try and bamboozle people. Its just the same way your politicians seem to have succeeded in keeping your whole society in bondage.

Ispiksdatroof20:


A U.S District Court is not "one of the lowest in the U.S.A", thats very condescending. Its the Lowest court in the Federal System,yes, but without stepping foot in it you can't seek redress in higher Federal Courts. Its a system.

It's one of the lowest courts, not the lowest. I think English is a simple language but we make it complicated at times!

Ispiksdatroof20:
No, it just means they filed properly with the clerk and paid the necessary filing fees. It doesn't mean this sham of a suit won't be tossed in the end. Like I previously stated, this is obviously a waste of time of the Court and I can just imagine the present mindset and temperament of the Judge burdened with this crap of a case.

Gbam!! This is what I was trying to explain to some other joker on this thread, and he nearly called me names. See how Igbos are celebrating that a case has been filed against Buratai in the US. Meanwhile, the case has not been heard, witnesses have not testified, pleas have not been entered, and judgement has NOT been passed, o! Yet, they are busy hailing themselves, clapping for their advisors and popping virtual champagne online! When the results unfold, e go do dem like film...

Ispiksdatroof20:


Yes, we'll just take your word for it. Lets just ignore the fact that I was a AUSA for over a decade. You Nigerians and your pretending to know it all always give me heart palpitations..

This is why I deactivated my account but I just got notification on my phone about this old post and had to make another one just to respond to this. You guys give me a headache its not even funny.

As an AUSA, you are a criminal prosecutor. Claims under the TVPA and the ATCA are usually civil matters and don't involve federal prosecutors. I'm no expert here but I studied the TVPA hard in law school.