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Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 2:40pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
gohome: Sorry, I choose the IQs I debate with very carefully, you didn't pass, so sorry!! 8 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by jpphilips(m): 3:17pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
[quote author=Mujtahida post=57393824] There's nothing in the vague first paragraph of your penultimate post for me to answer because I could not discern if you were talking about the right of citizens or citizenship right. Your honesty is appreciated!!can you honestly read that post again if you honestly wanna get a grasp of what it said? I am not for or against biafra so my arguments are not tinged with sentiments. If Biafra becomes a reality, fine. If it does not, fine. I just want to put down certain viewpoints. Shikena. I really didn't ask, didn't you notice? The arguments from your side as I understand it is that once Biafra is declared, war will ensue and Biafrans will lose their status as citizens and as a consequence lose their property. And I opined and still opine that nothing is fixed. It's not black and white. I rather not reply this post because that was the onus of the debate, for clarity sake, once Biafra is declared whether by hook or crook or by any form of impossibility, Igbos will assume an alien status in Nigeria and their fate will be decided by Nigeria. Whatever Nigeria wants from them is up to Nigeria to decide. RE : DOES SECESSION OF A COUNTRY MAKE AN INDIVIDUAL LOSE HIS PERSONAL PROPERTY? That's the topic once again. For you secession equals war. But I have a different opinion: secession does not necessarily mean war. Your opinions are ruled by just one thought: war, war, war. But I look at it broadly to say there might or might be no war. South Sudan was had without a war, was it? What of Czechslovakia, montenegro and Serbia, India/Pakistan? is it only through wars that nations secede? Though I readily concede that most secessions have been trailed by war but history proves that other nations have parted ways peacefully and at this point whatever is said now are just postulations. There might or might be no war in the event of the secession of Biafra. And whether war ensues or not there will be litigation in our courts up to the supreme Court on the status of citizens and their property rights. (I have cited Ojukwu case as a precedent and buttressed the fact that we are in a democratic setting not the military that ruled after the war) The fact that Nigeria has never lost a war is besides the point. I know Nigerian military history. Secession does not mean war but from history it seems so, when Biafra seceded the first time, it took the Nigerian side two months to declare war on biafra at the point when biafra started converting Nigerian properties, Sudan declared war on the South not immediately after the referendum but when the Pipeline issue arose, after Yugoslavia split, the fate of Serb minorities in break away parts led to the famous Yugoslavian war, Though not quintessential to the subject, I wish to remind you that Pakistan and india have fought over Kashmir region for over 55yrs.India and Pakistan never lived together as a country since their 1947 independence, (just correcting the misinformation you put out there), Republic of Ireland ended in the war of independence to pull out from UK, you are a lawyer right? and you believe in precedence right? here you have it. Nigeria as the stronger country will definitely make very unreasonable demands from Biafra, biafra will refuse (as any sane person would). war breaks out, Nigeria kills everybody and a united Nigeria continues with the South east a Museum full of war relics, tell your friends to plan with the worst case situation, war, blood and death is the end of that Biafran road. At least that's what history taught us. If you ever think this Biafra will favour igbos then you are not as smart as I thought. 14 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by HenryWilliams(m): 5:22pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
[quote author=jpphilips post=57482239][/quote] A word for the wise. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Duru1(m): 5:28pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
emmadejust: Answer to your question is capital No. Again, the individuals who owned the so-called properties are still the citizens of the old country until they stated otherwise. Even so, there is nothing which stops a Nigerian from owning properties in USA, UK or Sudan. 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by SSPX(m): 6:00pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
Sometimes i wonder why the black my is so devilish in thought so because i owns a property outside biafra so i should forever enslave my generation? Come to think of won't the nation alowe to build seaport believe me lagos will lose it test biafra will be the case of southkorea and northkorea to hell with the properties ndi ojor 2 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 7:29pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
jpphilips: A word for you: No one [not Biafrans] should be pretending all is well with Nigeria's unity! Read and enlighten your thought pattern, at least, this is not from a Biafran https://www.nairaland.com/3859092/too-late-save-divided-hostile |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by aybabz101: 9:28pm On Jun 13, 2017 |
ppl saying igbos own more than 90% of the real estates in lag should do more digging. dis i can say is false. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Ovamboland(m): 7:00am On Jun 14, 2017 |
modik: |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by modik(m): 7:41am On Jun 14, 2017 |
[quote author=Ovamboland post=57498248][/quote] ....Premised on this assertion, why wont the frowning parties to any peaceful bilateral agreement for cessation, as a matter of remedy, frown at injustices and suppression meted out on Igbos in the present Nigeria setting ?Why are Ibo importers not ordering their goods through PH port if it's cost effective or they can find ships willing to berth there. 2. Nigeria would finance a coastal railway project with common wealth from federation account while Eastern rail route would be financed through a concession and the users of that route pays via tolling after contributing to coastal line financed with common wealthYou should at least be happy that the SS you claim to love so much is hosting most of this important project, are they no longer your brother? 3. Third mainland bridge and every other major bridges in Nigeria is financed from federation account whereas 2nd Niger bridge is concessioned.?You all clapped for your Hero for this arrangement and was about to give him 4 more years, it suddenly became a big issue 'cos he lost? 4. Every 2 kms along the eastern highway is marked with roadblocks by Nigerian forces who impede smooth movement of goods and services vide stop and search in a non war situation while western and other major routes are free from such?You know everywhere is free in all Nigerian routes from your viewing from your enclave? It's a Nigerian problem to solved by lawgivers among which you have reps, talk to them 5. No single representative from eastern block in the security council of Nigeria and that sounds right?List he names of members with link 6. I can go on and on...bring it on and tell us other people who have it all at all times
------------------------------------------------------------oooooooooo------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------oooooooooo------------------------------------------------------------------- From the tone of your comments in red, no one is in doubt of your tribal proclivity!. Based on that fact, any effort in making you see the other side of the coin would yield no dividend, since your rigid prejudice, in embracing truth and reality of injustice meted out to Biafrans, is monumental. So, I chose not to expound on the already established facts which speak for themselves. 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by laudate: 1:33pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
modik:Which facts speak for themselves? The guy has made some valid points, which he highlighted in red. The ball is now in your court to provide the facts, that you claim 'speak for themselves,' in order to refute his points. If Port-Harcourt seaports have been concessioned to a single person, then your elected reps from the SE have a duty to debate this issue, bring it to the notice of the highest authorities and pass bills to revoke it, if possible. Your SS brother Rotimi Amaechi is now the Fed. Minister of Transport, and all seaports fall within his portfolio. What is he doing to correct this anomaly? |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Ovamboland(m): 9:00pm On Jun 14, 2017 |
laudate: I wonder what they are about, can every part of Nigeria have the privileged of a capital city? Now every hamlet wants US visa office located in their locality. They say we cannot empathize with their situation, have they considered the folks up north who wish for but can never have their own seaport? Why are they not crying? Several countries in Africa that are doing well such as Botswana, Zambia, Uganda, Rwanda have no access to seaport and have to pay duties to other countries. Yet someone who is a citizen in a country with ports claims he is not doing well because the port is located in another region. Should the man in Jos, Maiduguri, Gombe, Nguru commit suicide because the ports are too far away in Lagos? 6 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by emmadejust(m): 10:20am On Jun 15, 2017 |
Ovamboland: It should be spread accordingly to any area which own waterline. Not just one concentration. 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Ovamboland(m): 11:30am On Jun 15, 2017 |
emmadejust: Point to one law that stops ports in other parts of Nigeria from being developed? With seriousness of purpose, Lagos state is involved in the development of 2 new ports at Lekki and Badagry, once completed we will hear more noise. 2 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by emmadejust(m): 7:18pm On Jun 19, 2017 |
SSPX: 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by AK481(m): 8:37pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
GrandGarcon:How can I give you two likes. 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by waShine(m): 8:46pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
[quote author=Dumaknesset post=57310493]When I say Igbos don't think things through, you would not believe me, so you have not thought about it, yet you want secession. I am a lawyer and here is a legal dimension. First note that all lands in Nigeria by virtue of the Land Use Act, 1978 is owned by the state, federal government and local government accordingly. Developed parts are owned by the state through the state governor, the undeveloped parts are owned by the local government, while those areas acquired by federal government are owned by the Federal government. Individuals and even corporate organizations are mere tenants to the the real owners, the governments! hence, the issuance of cofo, consent, excision, ratifications et al. Once a property is abandoned as it will be, when the biafrans bolt, the properties will revert to the real owners that is the state government, local government or federal government vide a legal principle called bona vacantia. WONDERFOOLS! |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Lordave: 8:53pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
jpphilips:Why do you use small letter "i" while typing "Igbo"? I was enjoying your submissions until I noticed it. A pinch of bigotry is hidden inside of you. I enjoyed your comments anyway, they're all garnished with common sense. 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by sddiamond: 9:45pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
Dumaknesset:I've been reading your comments, you reasons like a kid and uneducated fellow, usually after referendum, United Nations comes in to set up a government in the new country, even when its certain that there faith is decided, it takes almost 2yrs to finally go their separate ways, referendum is not a civil war, why will Nigeria fortified there money in the bank or assets. I don't know how you people reason, keep given yourself hope of owning a property, what happened during the war was the case of abandon property, who wan leave him property now? Even EVANS owns properties in GHANA yet he is from Nigeria, as long as you have a Nigerian passport with ECOWAS law that states that all the members can travel and live among the member state without a passport, you're safe. Go back to school. 2 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 10:45pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
sddiamond: What I have written is beyond what your 2 mb brain can understand . Do you mean, how will Nigerians forfeit their money. You cant even string a sentence with making elementary mistakes, yet you have the temerity to advice me to go back to school. Ecowas law, are you kidding me! I said Baifrans will forfeit their monies not Nigerians. This pipsqueak that is comprehension is sub zero is pontificating. wonders will never cease. You just show you are not only slow but uneducated, better don't kill yourself on what you can't comprehend. Finally, So is your Biafra a member of Ecowas, I can imagine the hare brain shit cauterizing in your brain, just don't lose it. Iti! 3 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 11:00pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
emmadejust: Yes...study Russia and European investors you will get the nswers you seek |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Nobody: 11:01pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
[quote author=waShine post=58093883][/quote] 100% on point |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Benekruku(m): 11:01pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
No! But in a case when both countries re not allies, any of the government can fraustrate the latter out. Land-use charge an taxes can be tripled to force them to sell-out at meagre price Constitution can be reviewed that will favour easy acquisition of foreign properties It's just depends on relationship! For Example, it's certain a Nigerian government will frustrate Biafran investments an property once it's actualized as there won't be a cordial relationship . |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by BiafraAmaka(m): 11:02pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
pheesayor: Mad man with condemn brain |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by BiafraAmaka(m): 11:05pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
Dumaknesset: You can't even comment once without sentiment |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by MrMcJay(m): 11:07pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
This is a very good topic but the tribal bigots have turned it into a pig sty. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by whitebeard(m): 11:10pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
Dumaknesset:lol so u are just knowing I deal with shitty Biafra brain everyday, trsut me it very provoking yet they clam To be the most intelligent people. 2 Likes |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Benekruku(m): 11:11pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
emmadejust: Ikwerre`s! They were the highest benefactor of Igbo properties in Rivers state and they detest them so much! |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by izobemheuwaize: 11:14pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
Ask your fathers what happened to their properties after the civil war.That will give you an insight. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by doskie(m): 11:15pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
fulanmafia:this is very true. besides, when trouble brews, an igbo landlord will naturally leave his landed property and run home. except he can sell it at a give away price. its as good as gone until the war settles again and mutual understanding comes in 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by Benekruku(m): 11:15pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
Dumaknesset: He doesnt know Biafra is not a member of ECOWAS 1 Like |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by millionaireman: 11:19pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
emmadejust: Nooooooooo! Indians, Lebanese, Chinese, etc. own properties in Nigeria. Igbos, Yorubas, Hausa, etc. still own their properties in the UK after UK gave Nigeria independence. |
Re: Does Secession From A Country Make an Individual Lose His Personal Property? by DrogoG(m): 11:19pm On Jul 03, 2017 |
emmadejust: No. You won't lose your property in succession. You will only update the property documents to the new country's rules. This includes businesses. You know, a new country will create its own visa requirements, resident permits, rules and regulations for businesses. No country rejects foreigners who have or wants to create business on their soil. Unless the succession occured by war and the new enemy country is led by a dictator who is tribalist, you may lose your property. Dictatorship is not democracy. But if the succession happened legally and amicably, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. 2 Likes |
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