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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 7:58pm On Jun 20, 2017
Been listening to Alan watts ,I think you should check him out on YouTube. He spoke on this nothingness
Billyonaire:
@dalaman

If you are reading this, then lucky you. I was an atheist for over a decade. I was not an atheist out of ignorance, because I was an Elder in the Church before, I sincerely realized there was NOTHING out there. That NOTHING out there, is just the UNKNOWN.

I went on a journey to research on the NOTHING, the Unknown. What I found was not up there, was not down here, was in me, it is here, it is there. It is everywhere.

To what I am going to say serious. Let's go back to matter. There taught you three states of matter, but I am researched and known over 15 States of matter. From Solid, to Liquid, to Vapor, Plasma, Quantz etc etc color up till Spirit, but what I can say is this. Matter is just a phase of Energy. The molecules of solid are so dense and bonded to the state of very slow vibration, in comparison to the other States. YET, we can attempt to define energy, yet we can not Describe it, but we can feel the effect of it.

So, lets go back to Energy theory and make comparison with NOTHING, the UNKNOWN.

Energy Can not be Created Nor destroyed, but can change from one form to another.
God is the beginning and the end, has no beginning and has no ending, but can appear in many forms.

God is Energy, not just energy, but SOURCE of Energy, and CAUSE of Energy, from the Singularity, where we call the zero point. The vibrational frequency at zero point being absolute zero. At the beginning of the universe, where science calls Big Bang (was nt really a bang), every split from singularity and we can see this as evident in the microwave background in the cosmos.

But there is Good news. Creation is a wave-collapsing phenomena by an Observer. So, this observer who is in the habit of observing had NOTHING else to observe but ITSELF. So, here we have the Observer becoming the Observed and collapsing wave-functions to materialize thought once its watered with feeling in the lower density worlds. Now, the observer need to play some games on lower density plane, the Earth was designed, a Digital Library and every other thing. A place where we can play around with hybridization, cross-pollination, cloning and what have you. And it is not Earth alone, there are billions of Planets. So where ever the observer needed to be, ITs photon sparked and encapsulated in Soul to avoid the Electro-magnetic radiation of low density plane from stripping the photon of its finest crystalline nature, we had to once again live in a Physical Vessel, a container designed to walk on two legs and even with the power to produce more bodies for Spirit to observe and be observed by ITSELF.

On Earth, we wear the Earth Body, just like Spacesuit to go to Moon and Mars, this Body is just a suit designed for MISSION EARTH.

We are spirit, and we journey the Cosmos. We are God, together we are ONE BIG GOD. But we can choose to split and reside in any object, any being, any creature, just to experience our creation, our reality.

How do I know these things ? You will soon find out.

To be continued.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 8:05pm On Jun 20, 2017
I think about your age and how good you were in your University days. Your mind is so refined.
But the thing is,ehm ehm I won't worship you like them Igbos do to kanu angry grin.
Thanks for opening my eyes.
Billyonaire:
@dalaman

If you are reading this, then lucky you. I was an atheist for over a decade. I was not an atheist out of ignorance, because I was an Elder in the Church before, I sincerely realized there was NOTHING out there. That NOTHING out there, is just the UNKNOWN.

I went on a journey to research on the NOTHING, the Unknown. What I found was not up there, was not down here, was in me, it is here, it is there. It is everywhere.

Take what I am going to say serious. Let's go back to matter. There taught you three states of matter, but I am researched and known over 15 States of matter. From Solid, to Liquid, to Vapor, Plasma, Quantz etc etc color up till Spirit, but what I can say is this. Matter is just a phase of Energy. The molecules of solid are so dense and bonded to the state of very slow vibration, in comparison to the other States. YET, we can attempt to define energy, yet we can not Describe it, but we can feel the effect of it.

So, lets go back to Energy theory and make comparison with NOTHING, the UNKNOWN.

Energy Can not be Created Nor destroyed, but can change from one form to another.
God is the beginning and the end, has no beginning and has no ending, but can appear in many forms.

God is Energy, not just energy, but SOURCE of Energy, and CAUSE of Energy, from the Singularity, where we call the zero point. The vibrational frequency at zero point being absolute zero. At the beginning of the universe, where science calls Big Bang (was nt really a bang), everything split from singularity and we can see this as evident in the microwave background in the cosmos.

But there is Good news. Creation is a wave-collapsing phenomena by an Observer. So, this observer who is in the habit of observing had NOTHING else to observe but ITSELF. So, here we have the Observer becoming the Observed and collapsing wave-functions to materialize thought once its watered with feeling in the lower density worlds. Now, the observer need to play some games on lower density plane, the Earth was designed, a Digital Library and every other thing. A place where we can play around with hybridization, cross-pollination, cloning and what have you. And it is not Earth alone, there are billions of Planets. So where ever the observer needed to be, ITs photon sparked and encapsulated in Soul to avoid the Electro-magnetic radiation of low density plane from stripping the photon of its finest crystalline nature, we had to once again live in a Physical Vessel, a container designed to walk on two legs and even with the power to produce more bodies for Spirit to observe and be observed by ITSELF.

On Earth, we wear the Earth Body, just like Spacesuit to go to Moon and Mars, this Body is just a suit designed for MISSION EARTH.

We are spirit, and we journey the Cosmos. We are God, together we are ONE BIG GOD. But we can choose to split and reside in any object, any being, any creature, just to experience our creation, our reality.

How do I know these things ? You will soon find out.

To be continued.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by ScepticalPyrrho: 8:05pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


I don't think you understand me . You can give your reasons why you believe there are no such thing as mermaids .

If you have no reasons , then why do you believe mermaids don't exist even up to the extent of criticize people who think mermaids exist ? That's crazy man .
Very good point.
Let's end the argument here.

1. A "thing" would not exist in fact just because you have reasons for believing in the existence of that "thing".
2. The existence of water doesn't depend on good reasons.
3. Believe is only necessary where facts aren't ascertained.
4. There is a big loop between believing and knowing. I know water. To say I believe in "water" won't suffice since it's evident that water is real.
5. Your belief in God (with or without reasons) doesn't make it real or truly existing.

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 8:10pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


And this is your evidence ? How shallow ! You are also making an argument against God's existence . This right there is an argument against God's existence .

Without arguments , logic and reason is dead . You are shamelessly irrational for making this statement grin

I said if your God exist we won't be having arguments for or against it. We don't have any arguments for or against the existence of the sun because it exist. The reason why I don't take you and your superiors seriously(William Craig and the rest) is because you guys are advocating for the God of the bible. The God that has specific attributes and is supposed to behave and act in specific mannerthat can be tested, verified and known. For example the God yoi are selling we are told speaks the human language and communicates with humans, he interferes in human affirars, he wants people to know him, not just know him but have a special relationship with him, he acts in specific ways to change things or the outcome of things. He can be known and on and on. All these are specific attributes that can be tested and verified independently. They do not rely on bogus arguments and assumptions. Christians that believe in these God are supposed to have signs and abilities as a result of their belief in this God. All these are independent claims that can be tested and verified independentlyand empirically. They do not rely on bogus arguments.

You know VERY well that the bible is lying when it talks about such a God that is why you always prefer to argue for an unknown God. You even claimed that God can not be known so the best thing is to use arguments instead of empirical evidence. You always want to push your God to the realm of the unknown because if we are to go by the known and verifiable claims of your God and the bible your God will be falsified.

You know that very well so you always go into the realm of the unknown by claiming that God can not be know. If God can not be known then how did you get to know it to the extent of telling people how it behaves and it's attributes? You have a topic on God's attributes where you tried to explain some of the attributes of God but now you are claiming that this God can not be known. If God can not be know then why are you trying to let people know about it? You are always empty and dishonest.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 8:12pm On Jun 20, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
Very good point.
Let's end the argument here.

1. A "thing" would not exist in fact just because you have reasons for believing in the existence of that "thing".
2. The existence of water doesn't depend on good reasons.
3. Believe is only necessary where facts aren't ascertained.
4. There is a big loop between believing and knowing. I know water. To say I believe in "water" won't suffice since it's evident that water is real.
5. Your belief in God (with or without reasons) doesn't make it real or truly existing.


If God exist we won't have arguments for or against. We will have God. We don't have arguments for or against the existence of the moon. The worst part is that they are arguing for the existence of the God of the bible. Is there anywhere in the bible where arguments are presented for the existence of God? These guys are just not serious at all.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by ScepticalPyrrho: 8:22pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


If God exist we won't have arguments for or against. We will have God. We don't have arguments for or against the existence of the moon. The worst part is that they are arguing for the existence of the God of the bible. Is there anywhere in the bible where arguments are presented for the existence of God? These guys are just not serious at all.
The difference between what we know and what we believe (in ignorance) seems to elude them.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by CoolUsername: 8:23pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukasBlog:


You believe God does not exist , state your reasons . Or are you scared ? grin . I have never seen any meaningful reason given by an atheist anywhere in the world for rejecting God's existence . Open your thread and state your reasons and watch me criticize .

Stephen Hawking believes there is no God because the universe created itself because of the law of gravity . This is his reason

The rebuttal is simple : Something cannot itself , its logically absurd to even assert that something can create itself and laws do not create anything , there are merely descriptions of what happens under certain conditions .

See ? Easy to criticize . His story and "scientific explanations" were quickly rejected with just two simple logical statements .

Now bro , give me your reason like Stephen Hawking did .

I am a 6 on the Dawkins scale and have made it clear that I only lack belief in the existence of God due to the absence of evidence. I'm about as agnostic towards the existence of God as I am towards the existence of Superman. Still, it is not possible to prove a negative and if you feel that it is, why don't you show me how by proving that Superman doesn't exist?

PS: Stop using your alt account to like and share your posts.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 8:30pm On Jun 20, 2017
ScepticalPyrrho:
Very good point.
Let's end the argument here.

1. A "thing" would not exist in fact just because you have reasons for believing in the existence of that "thing".
2. The existence of water doesn't depend on good reasons.
3. Believe is only necessary where facts aren't ascertained.
4. There is a big loop between believing and knowing. I know water. To say I believe in "water" won't suffice since it's evident that water is real.
5. Your belief in God (with or without reasons) doesn't make it real or truly existing.

Your belief God does not exist (with or without reasons ) does not make it true .

Before you regurgitate the lack of belief in God nonsense (an empty attempt to evade scrutiny of your beliefs ) , tell me the difference between I believe there is no God and I lack belief in God's existence .

According to Rationalism , Empiricism which you support is a wrong way of obtaining knowledge or facts because it relies on your senses which are limited and fallible . According to rationalists , only through logical reasoning not sensory observation that we can obtain knowledge and truth . To the rationalists , God's existence is true because It can be proven through logical reasoning .

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 8:33pm On Jun 20, 2017
CoolUsername:
I only lack belief in the existence of God due to the absence of evidence.

I also lack the belief in the non existence of God due to absence of evidence .

This is a blatant repulsive abuse of logical thinking , an appeal to ignorance .


CoolUsername:
PS: Stop using your alt account to like and share your posts.

Dalaman follows this account , ask him if I'm doing that .

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 8:37pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


If God exist we won't have arguments for or against.

There are arguments for or against the existence of aliens . Dalaman , does this mean extraterrestrial life does not exist ?

Your argument is so poor , I can't believe you actually think this is a good argument . Its shallow thinking bro , stay away from it . Oh and again , you are an atheist , no wonder you embrace it .

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 8:45pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


There are arguments for or against the existence of aliens . Dalaman , does this mean extraterrestrial life does not exist ?

Your argument is so poor , I can't believe you actually think this is a good argument . Its shallow thinking bro , stay away from it . Oh and again , you are an atheist , no wonder you embrace it .

Show that extra terrestrials exist or be quiet.

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 8:48pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


Show that extra terrestrials exist or be quiet.


No sir . Don't evade the question . Does this mean extra terrestrial life does not exist simply because we have arguments for and against its existence ?
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by CoolUsername: 8:48pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


I also lack the belief in the non existence of God due to absence of evidence .

This is a blatant repulsive abuse of logical thinking , an appeal to ignorance .

If you feel that it is, then prove the non-existence of Superman.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 8:52pm On Jun 20, 2017
CoolUsername:


If you feel that it is, then prove the non-existence of Superman.

Evasive tactics . Please can you provide reasons or evidence to why you believe God does not exist . Let's scrutinize them . Stephen Hawking's IQ could be double of yours and he gave his reasons why he believes there is no God . Richard Dawkins has his own reasons . All their reasons have been criticized and thrown into the trash can where they belong .

Please provide yours and stop wasting our time .
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 8:58pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:



No sir . Don't evade the question . Does this mean extra terrestrial life does not exist simply because we have arguments for and against its existence ?

Do you have evidence to show that extra terrestrial life exist? Yes or no? I don't have time for endless assumptions. If you have evidence point to it, if arguments and not evidence is what you have then move along.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by CoolUsername: 9:01pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


Evasive tactics . Please can you provide reasons or evidence to why you believe God does not exist . Let's scrutinize them . Stephen Hawking's IQ could be double of yours and he gave his reasons why he believes there is no God . Richard Dawkins has his own reasons . All their reasons have been criticized and thrown into the trash can where they belong .

Please provide yours and stop wasting our time .

I've given you my stance on this matter. You think otherwise, show me - with this easy example - how it can be done.

You accuse me of using evasion tactics when you clearly evaded my first question. Kind of seems like a ploy to evade this one. I don't think it's possible to prove a non-existence, while you do, so why can't you do it?

Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 9:03pm On Jun 20, 2017
CoolUsername:


I've given you my stance on this matter. You think otherwise, show me - with this easy example - how it can be done.

You accuse me of using evasion tactics when you clearly evaded my first question. Kind of seems like a ploy to evade this one. I don't think it's possible to prove a non-existence, while you do, so why can't you do it?

I gave you names of people who did so . They are highly respected by atheists . Follow their footsteps and provide your own reasons . I'm waiting
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by KingEbukaNaija: 9:05pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


Do you have evidence to show that extra terrestrial life exist? Yes or no? I don't have time for endless assumptions. Of you have evidence point to it if arguments and not evidence is what you have then move along.

You claimed that I don't argue straight and it seems yours have interwoven curves . Continue .
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by CoolUsername: 9:06pm On Jun 20, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


I gave you names of people who did so . They are highly respected by atheists . Follow their footsteps and provide your own reasons . I'm waiting

You are not arguing with them. You are arguing with me. Why is it so hard for you to discuss honestly?
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 10:00pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


If God exist we won't have arguments for or against. We will have God. We don't have arguments for or against the existence of the moon. The worst part is that they are arguing for the existence of the God of the bible. Is there anywhere in the bible where arguments are presented for the existence of God? These guys are just not serious at all.

I took my time, from a busy schedule to write to you about God, and you did not respond but still go on rampage making hasty generalizations about issues outside the faculty of logic of the left brain hemisphere. I will totally understand if your Questions About God is just an egotistic overdrive of an individual who just cares about winning an argument. None of you atheists and theists are wrong, and none of you are right.

Does it occur to you, that there could be something in the middle ground, sorry, not middle ground, but something outside the perspective of left, right and center ? This is 3D thinking, subject to 5 senses, organs located on a vehicle, a container, which the multi-dimensional entity occupies just to experience existence in 3D.

If you want to know my credentials - A former Atheist. I didnt say there is God, I didnt say there is no God. I am just saying....What if God is the one asking the Question...What if you are IT. What if I am IT, what if we are all IT ?

If you are ready to join me in rabbit-hole, and land at the sun as gateway, a wormhole to the next dimension. Then, we can start with me teaching you how to breath, how to look at your palm and know the state of your health if you will die soon.....what if I tell you that you do not know what types of beings have lived and get destroyed on the Earth you walk on billions before things like Humans get even sequenced by the other ETs. They all ask about God. Yet, God they were and we have been told time and again. We refuse to believe because we do not expect to be Gods and be so wicked. You are playing your part in the great orchestra. You will joke about this on the other side.

How do I know all these ? Well, you will soon find out.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by chemystery: 10:02pm On Jun 20, 2017
6barz:



While i can say this OP is succinct, i must however point out the hypocrisy of the "I don't know." statement. As an Atheist, you are also guilty of the same assertion that you have labeled Christianity with.

Can you, dalaman say authoritatively that no God (whatever that means to anyone) exists? of course you cannot!

Outside the purview of Abrahamic religions, you cannot prove to me that no God (whatever that means to anyone) exists. Your rejection of Christianity or Islam does not in anyway invalidate the evidence or existence of that who we speak about.

But the funny thing is instead of saying you do not know, you state that God does not exist. If i ask you for proof, I am sure it will be limited to your perception of what you think God is and should be, what you think he has failed to do and what you think he should have done.

So whatever you accuse Christians of, just as well applies to you. Look in the mirror Bro, what do you see?
There is a math problem

W + Y + 15 = Z ; if W & Y are both odd numbers, find Z

The theist said the answer Z is equal to 50.
The atheist, being sure such equation have no solution said he doesnt know neither does the theist.

The atheist continued by saying the answer cannot be 50 because three odd numbers added together can never give an even number. But the theist insists the answer is 50.

Now, all the atheist need now is to prove that three odd numbers added together will never give an even number.

In this scenario, you were expecting the atheist to also say "I don't know if Z is equal to 50" and that is where you are getting it wrong

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 10:26pm On Jun 20, 2017
Billyonaire:


I took my time, from a busy schedule to write to you about God, and you did not respond but still go on rampage making hasty generalizations about issues outside the faculty of logic of the left brain hemisphere. I will totally understand if your Questions About God is just an egotistic overdrive of an individual who just cares about winning an argument. None of you atheists and theists are wrong, and none of you are right.

Does it occur to you, that there could be something in the middle ground, sorry, not middle ground, but something outside the perspective of left, right and center ? This is 3D thinking, subject to 5 senses, organs located on a vehicle, a container, which the multi-dimensional entity occupies just to experience existence in 3D.

If you want to know my credentials - A former Atheist. I didnt say there is God, I didnt say there is no God. I am just saying....What if God is the one asking the Question...What if you are IT. What if I am IT, what if we are all IT ?

If you are ready to join me in rabbit-hole, and land at the sun as gateway, a wormhole to the next dimension. Then, we can start with me teaching you how to breath, how to look at your palm and know the state of your health if you will die soon.....what if I tell you that you do not know what types of beings have lived and get destroyed on the Earth you walk on billions before things like Humans get even sequenced by the other ETs. They all ask about God. Yet, God they were and we have been told time and again. We refuse to believe because we do not expect to be Gods and be so wicked. You are playing your part in the great orchestra. You will joke about this on the other side.

How do I know all these ? Well, you will soon find out.

You clearly said we are God and gave your reasons. I don't agree with some of tour assertions but I see no reason to disagree with most of them since you clearly admit that you don't like labels.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 10:55pm On Jun 20, 2017
chemystery:

There is a math problem

W + Y + 15 = Z ; if W & Y are both odd numbers, find Z

The theist said the answer Z is equal to 50.
The atheist, being sure such equation have no solution said he doesnt know neither does the theist.

The atheist continued by saying the answer cannot be 50 because three odd numbers added together can never give an even number. But the theist insists the answer is 50.

Now, all the atheist need now is to prove that three odd numbers added together will never give an even number.

In this scenario, you were expecting the atheist to also say "I don't know if Z is equal to 50" and that is where you are getting it wrong

Excellent points. Now the theist having looked at their answer and seen that it is completely bogus are now saying that we humans can not know the answer because we lack the capacity to do so. They are now saying that we can't understand God. That is what KingEbukasBlog is trying to say. That God is beyond our human logic bla bla bla.

I stands in awe that they feel no shame in offering such arguments.

If God is "beyond logic," then why are you using arguments to convince people that he is real? Why make any arguments in support of any of your truth claims?


I can make something up, claim that you can't understand it, then offer any bullshit explanation and say "Here is the part you can understand," therefore my claim is true. I am.tired of theist apologist and their madness.

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 10:58pm On Jun 20, 2017
Before I engage into topics/discussions about God, I first ask the party to define God cos me no get strength for back and forth long stories about one Sky Daddy

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 11:06pm On Jun 20, 2017
dalaman:


You clearly said we are God and gave your reasons. I don't agree with some of tour assertions but I see no reason to disagree with most of them since you clearly admit that you don't like labels.
Then you have no disagreement, because if you have, you should have tabled it. I do not believe you dont know what God is at this moment, you are just confused. When you sit down in a quiet dark room alone, and close your eyes and shut your ear from all external noise and ask your Self in a clear voice. "What is God ?" and sincerely listen. You will get the answer, Loud and Clear, from yourself. Try it.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by DoctorAlien(m): 11:35pm On Jun 20, 2017
Trash as usual. A whole truckload of meaningless sentences that can be dismissed with the simple argument:

1. The Bible is always true.

2. The Bible says that GOD exists.

3. Therefore GOD exists.

GOD is the Almighty, eternal, uncaused, uncreated, conscious, intelligent, just Creator of everything seen and unseen.

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by Nobody: 11:41pm On Jun 20, 2017
Felix liked, ebuka shared ^^

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 11:49pm On Jun 20, 2017
DoctorAlien:
Trash as usual. A whole truckload of meaningless sentences that can be dismissed with the simple argument:

1. The Bible is always true.

2. The Bible says that GOD exists.

3. Therefore GOD exists.

GOD is the Almighty, eternal, uncaused, uncreated, conscious, intelligent, just Creator of everything seen and unseen.

Do you have any evidence to show that your God exist apart from empty noise?
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by DoctorAlien(m): 12:17am On Jun 21, 2017
dalaman:


Do you have any evidence to show that your God exist apart from empty noise?

Yes I have evidence:

1. Look up into the sky, and behold the beauty of the heavens, and how the heavenly bodies move faithfully in their orbits. Who has made these things? And whose hand sustains them? Whose hand bound the proton and the neutron in the nucleus of the atom?

2. Look around you and observe the beautiful forms of life. Who made the tiny ant? By whose hands were the delicate structures of the beautiful flowers woven? Who made the earth so comfortable for life? Who put the limits to the oceans? Who made the powerful lion and the swift eagle?

3. Now look at yourself. Who gave you a mind to think? Whose hand framed the intricate structures of your system? Who made it possible for trillions of functionally diverse cells to originate from just one cell formed by the fusion of two gametes?

His name is Jehovah. He is GOD.

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Re: Our Ignorance Is God by 6barz(m): 1:09am On Jun 21, 2017
chemystery:

There is a math problem

W + Y + 15 = Z ; if W & Y are both odd numbers, find Z

The theist said the answer Z is equal to 50.
The atheist, being sure such equation have no solution said he doesnt know neither does the theist.

The atheist continued by saying the answer cannot be 50 because three odd numbers added together can never give an even number. But the theist insists the answer is 50.

Now, all the atheist need now is to prove that three odd numbers added together will never give an even number.

In this scenario, you were expecting the atheist to also say "I don't know if Z is equal to 50" and that is where you are getting it wrong

I read your post and I actually think you are the one getting it wrong.

Your maths analogy is wrong because you have not only made assertions, your assertions are not even consistent with your position. Firstly, apart from cloudgoddess, you are the second atheist that have alluded to the fact that you do not know if God exists. If you do not know, how come you believe or claim it does not exist?  Seems we might need to start defining our religious perception and God before we start debating but the issue is, if you say you do not know and I say I do not know, how can we then define that which we do not know? Just like dalaman asked me to define what God is and when I told him God is the process through which everything started. He thinks it is ridiculous because he can't disprove that which he does not understand. If I have told him the definition of God based on a construct of my own understanding, then he will be eager to disprove my God theory. As if there's a global definition of God.‎

Back to your equation, it is actually funny that you have:

Made assumptions that W and Y are odd numbers and then asks us to find Z‎
You have introduced a known variable - 15
You have alluded to the fact that the atheist was sure there was no solution but then you have also asserted that the atheist needed to prove that 3 odd numbers cannot give an even number. So the atheist is not looking for Z per se, he's just trying to disprove the solution given by the theist that Z cannot be 50. 

So the theist final answer is Z is 50. But most atheist then say, nope since Z cannot be 50 based on known construct(s), there's no Z. How convenient..‎

If the atheist is sure there is no solution, why is he trying disprove it? That's cherry picking...

If I change the whole scenario to say - since we do agree that we do not know,

If W + X + Y = Z, find Z

Can we find Z? Obviously not, for all we know, Z might be just Z or a number, an integer, a symbol...‎

Now the scenario is 

The theist looks at it and say since God is perfect, God must be even. So if God is even, all numbers should be even. 

So Z is 20 because 20+20+20/3 = 20. Viola.‎

The atheist then say that's not right because 15 + 30 + 15/3 = 20. After all God has some odd properties.

Looking at both, can we really say we know what Z is? ‎
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by dalaman: 3:06am On Jun 21, 2017
DoctorAlien:


Yes I have evidence:

1. Look up into the sky, and behold the beauty of the heavens, and how the heavenly bodies move faithfully in their orbits. Who has made these things? And whose hand sustains them? Whose hand bound the proton and the neutron in the nucleus of the atom?

2. Look around you and observe the beautiful forms of life. Who made the tiny ant? By whose hands were the delicate structures of the beautiful flowers woven? Who made the earth so comfortable for life? Who put the limits to the oceans? Who made the powerful lion and the swift eagle?

3. Now look at yourself. Who gave you a mind to think? Whose hand framed the intricate structures of your system? Who made it possible for trillions of functionally diverse cells exist to originate from just one cell formed by the fusion of two gametes?

His name is Jehovah. He is GOD.

You haven't shown me the hand of any God setting the sky into existence you only claimed it out of thin air. You haven't shown me any God bringing any form.of life into existence, you only assumed out of think air. Remember what can be asserted without evideo ce needs to be summarily dismissed without evidence. If you want me to take you seriously then stop throwing empty assumptions at me and provide objective evidence, if you an show me the signature of your imaginary God anywhere in anything that was created then I'll assume you have an idea of what you are talking about.

I also know have evidence about everything you are saying. You are lying the thing responsible for all what you falsely attributed to Yahweh is Brahma the Hindu God. He and his lesser Gods created everything. There you have it.

Carry your emptiness and get out of this thread if you have nothing meaningfull to contribute.
Re: Our Ignorance Is God by ScepticalPyrrho: 6:14am On Jun 21, 2017
KingEbukaNaija:


Your belief God does not exist (with or without reasons ) does not make it true .

Before you regurgitate the lack of belief in God nonsense (an empty attempt to evade scrutiny of your beliefs ) , tell me the difference between I believe there is no God and I lack belief in God's existence .

According to Rationalism , Empiricism which you support is a wrong way of obtaining knowledge or facts because it relies on your senses which are limited and fallible . According to rationalists , only through logical reasoning not sensory observation that we can obtain knowledge and truth . To the rationalists , God's existence is true because It can be proven through logical reasoning .
You need to take a class on Logical Reasoning.

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