ewnet??
@Hati13 yanten mels setebik eko derke kerehu lol

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I like Alikiba and Diamond but they better stop shooting abroad.

These are some songs that were shot in TZ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO08vwMuPs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxRpBWKRgU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPjsDcPHks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnI8GQQhw4A

ednited:


EABC mindnew?

It's Addis Ababa Campus for Architectural, construction management and Urban planning. It's located in ldeta.

Nabhani:


Tanzanians are just cool laid back people so it translates into our music I guess and also Tanzanians speak Swahili with a softer accent than mainland Kenyans. Listen to Brown Mauzo or Otile Brown from Mombasa, its similar to TZ music I think you will like it.

That artist is actually a Comorian but he isis singing in a TZ style...Where the hell did you even find that song? haha you really do like East African music

Okay.
What is the meaning of UFITINA?

Nabhani:


These are some songs that were shot in TZ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO08vwMuPs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxRpBWKRgU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPjsDcPHks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnI8GQQhw4A

In the third song by Rayvanny and Diamond (SALOME).

Do you know that all the traditional attires in that song were Nigerian/Ghanaian?

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ewnet??

@Hati13 yanten mels setebik eko derke kerehu lol

lol, it's because I answer mostly in order replies.

ena abezagnwen giza 7-8 seate nw metegnawe. Dero enidawum keza belaye qoyecha nw metegnwe. Anti-depression enqelfe betam yanetale?

anechis?

shervydman:

oh....that sounds better.

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ednited:


If they take their territory they will also take Addis Ababa. Hati13, where we both be ending up??

Is Adis an Oromo territory? I always tot it was amhara? Are amharas not the dominant population there?

Nabhani:


These are some songs that were shot in TZ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRO08vwMuPs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwxRpBWKRgU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bPjsDcPHks


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnI8GQQhw4A

You guys make music videos like Nigerians.

Jay254:


Muafrika hapa ulinichenga sikujua Wewe ni msupa

ednited:


okay, Oromo ppl were pagans back then but Amharas were strict Christians. Amhara and Oromo use to be peaceful but a man called Gragn Ahmed changed many things. Amharas (christians) were rulling but Gragn Ahmed came to rule Ethiopia by defeating the Amharas to make Ethiopia a muslim state. Surprisingly, Oromo ppl supported him to fight against Amharas and destroy them. The fight become wayyyyyy serious. Amharas called portugal to be by their side then Ahmed had the Ottoman Turks on his team. Amhara ppl were lossing but at the Eleventh hour, they won and told the Oromo ppl to leave Ethiopia immediately. So the oromo ppl migrated to different countries including Kenya but nothing like home. They came back to ET but Amharas pain couldn't heal. They offended the Oromo ppl for a long time. And they didn't consider or respect them as Ethiopians cuz it was a betrayal. This history is what is still causing pain for both tribes.

Okay. I see. Thanks

TayserMahiri:


lol, you Nowe, Sounds like u want more Blankets and Wines It might surprise you that Blankets and Wines, arguably Kenyas most popular social event belongs to a lady! Her name is Muthoni Ndonga aka Muthoni Drama Queen. Here she is smiling at your lack of information

What an ugly lady

Nabhani:


Native Swahili probably 1 million or but if you count the Swahilized Swahilis the numbers increases but i don't know. They have a presence though.

Islam spread more because the inland trade was more aggressive in TZ. There is a city in Tanzania called Tabora, home of the Nyamwezi people they also traded heavily with the coastal muslims. The coastal people established themselves so thoroughly in Tabora, it was considered the mainland version of Zanzibar.

There isn't any real Muslim and Christian issue in TZ or Zanzibar for that matter. Zanzibar sees thousands and thousands of Christian tourists every year. However, you do have those Zanzibaris that studied in Saudi Arabia that are a bit too Islamic for a lack of better words.

Okay thanks.

So, why exactly were the arabs chased out of zanzibar since they were already swahilized? And who chased them away? The native swahilis?

genieluv:


We wear them normally for everyday activities n for festivals n social gatherings too.
Buh it differs, the ones we wear for everyday outings are less bulky n simpler, while the ones we wear for social gatherings, social events n festivals are usually very complex n bulky.

**** Here are samples of the simpler everyday ones.

Simply beautiful!
The man upper cloth can't be match by others. The ladies and their dress are beautiful.

If I've to choose the most beautiful, I will go with the man and last girl.

From which material is the men upper cloth made of?
Do some neighboring countries also wear it?

And also let me show you the Afar people(they live largely in Ethiopia and in small number in Eritrea and Djibouti).

Nowenuse:


Okay.
What is the meaning of UFITINA?

Something like agitating

Nowenuse:


In the third song by Rayvanny and Diamond (SALOME).

Do you know that all the traditional attires in that song were Nigerian/Ghanaian?

Yeah of course, that's definitely not Tanzanian haha. I like it nonetheless, its cool

freshest4live:

You guys make music videos like Nigerians.

I guess so

mtis:

That's so true . can't have a society without culture.the culture one has is still a culture an it pains when you see people claiming their culture is awesome than yours or that your culture is not African enough. I like my jeans an sneakers.I love my creepy music an don't a give heck what any native would say about my culture..

Your creepy music, your jeans and sneakers are not your ancestral culture. Sometimes you should be able to showcase and promote your african ancestral cultures and heritage! It is your original identity!

How come Ugandans showcase and take pride in their cultures more than you Kenyans?? It is really a big discrepancy and embarrasment if you ask me. You guys have similar colonial histories. Where did the mix up come from? Or was it because all the whites & Indians were chased away from Uganda? Hence, making Ugandans more afro centric?

Something tells me that you black kenyans are trying so hard to abandon your african cultures speedily in order to look western enough to be able to appeal to the whites & Indians in your midst and more settling foreigners.
If that is the case, i am short of words at the level of inferiority.

That of Ethiopia and other horn africans is understandable.
Mainland Tanzanians do not really showcase their african cultural dance and attires in their music or social gatherings just like you Kenyans but their music has a very strong cultural flavour, so, they can pass.

Where did this kind of wind of westernization come from upon Kenyans? Why only you guys?

Cc Nairobiwalker, Jay254, TayserMahiri

Hbuyosh:
Lol! Ujaicheki profile pic yangu? Nimeficha dready zangu kwa hiyo hood nimevaa.

Kitambo nilikuwa nazishow tu, that's how Muaf came to know that I got dreadlocks.

(my old profile photo below)

@Muafrika.....they are around 9" long now.

Cool

Nabhani:


Something like agitating

You see the reason why we say Swahili is like an arabic language? Gosshh! The amount of arabic words in the language are very much.

The origin of the word is arabic FIT'NA. The word is also used in hausa language as 'FITINA' which has exactly the same meaning. Although, there are many other pure hausa synonyms.

Whenever i hear swahili songs, i seem to be able to pick out some words which sound similar in Hausa language and when i check the meaning, it is usually the same.

I have come across words like Hatari (Hatsari in hausa), Janaa (Aljanah in hausa), Duniya (hausa and swahili) and many more.
Hausa language too has many arabic loan words but the original hausa words are still available and used interchangeably with the ones of arabic origin.

Here is the meaning i came across when i googled the song. Exactly the same meaning in Hausa.

Cc muafrika2, mtis, mtumsuper, Nairobiwalker, Taysermahiri, pissedyagami et al

jln115:
Actually not so much, they have a mixed economy with a fast growing private sector!

What is the gun for?

jln115:

Zupta has made no progress......... all he would ever be known for is being the only President who has led SA to 2 recessions......the second being 100% avoidable.

How you can even think of choosing Zuma above presidents like Ian Khama or Saara kuugongelwa is beyond me.

Lastly he has brought nothing more with regards to infrastructure than the presidents before him.

Not even the patriot in me could ever defend that man.

Apart from RDP houses, what significant infrastructure was built during Mandela & Mbeki's tenure in office? I'm talking dams, power stations, universities, roads, ports expansions, bridges, schools, hospitals et al.

Nowenuse:


Okay thanks.

So, why exactly were the arabs chased out of zanzibar since they were already swahilized? And who chased them away? The native swahilis?

That's a lot to go into because it wasn't a simple "Arab" vs African thing as some historians like to paint it. The party that ousted the sultanate was Afro-Shirazi party which was made up of slave descendants, African migrants and Native Swahilis. When the British ruled Zanzibar they created a caste system that looked like Brits at the top followed by the Omani Arabs then Indians and native Africans at the bottom. So it easy to see why the native Africans supported the revolution but the Swahili didn't see themselves as "Africans" and their issue with the Omani Arabs was that they took most of their land. However, the Swahilis in the neighbouring island in Pemba (Unguja and Pemba make up Zanzibar) were on good terms with the Arabs and didn't have issue with them on their island so they didn't support the revolution for the most part. The Comorian community, Pemba Swahilis were more aligned with the Arabs but the Swahilis from Unguja weren't to fond of them thus the revolution occurred.

Something which isn't told to often is that the Comorian community and Pemba people were also targeted when the revolution kicked off.

Jay254:


I have actually worked with Rwandese in Kenya, they will hardly tell or talk about their tribe despite being in Kenya.. Hutus are Tall in height while

Its the other way round

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Most Hutu I've met are light skinned, hair like other Bantus, Tutsi are tall, with tiny facial features and their hair is just a few steps away from yours

Nabhani:


Yeah of course, that's definitely not Tanzanian haha. I like it nonetheless, its cool

Okay thanks. West africa has the most beautiful and diverse cultural attires in africa.
Nigeria alone can account for 3/4 of the various types of cultural attires in Africa.

I have never really seen what original mainland Tanzanian culture looks like. Can you please show me?

The only cultural TZ music i have come across was this one by Diamond and Khadijah kopa. But i guess it is swahili culture, isnt it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moE_dXt6-CQ

Also, the culture in the song also looks very similar with Kenyan Sauti sol's Sura Yako.
Is sura yako also a swahili culture song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEJw64Zl28U

Nabhani:


That's a lot to go into because it wasn't a simple "Arab" vs African thing as some historians like to paint it. The party that ousted the sultanate was Afro-Shirazi party which was made up of slave descendants, African migrants and Native Swahilis. When the British ruled Zanzibar they created a caste system that looked like Brits at the top followed by the Omani Arabs then Indians and native Africans at the bottom. So it easy to see why the native Africans supported the revolution but the Swahili didn't see themselves as "Africans" and their issue with the Omani Arabs was that they took most of their land. However, the Swahilis in the neighbouring island in Pemba (Unguja and Pemba make up Zanzibar) were on good terms with the Arabs and didn't have issue with them on their island so they didn't support the revolution for the most part. The Comorian community, Pemba Swahilis were more aligned with the Arabs but the Swahilis from Unguja weren't to fond of them thus the revolution occurred.

Something which isn't told to often is that the Comorian community and Pemba people were also targeted when the revolution kicked off.

Thank you so much for the enlightening piece. Nothing like info from the source. I also have many questions (please be patient with me).

> Were Indians also chased out alongside the arabs?
> How could the Unguja swahilis and native africans easily differentiate Pemba swahilis and Comorians? don't they so much look alike and have same cultures?
> Were there also arabs in Pemba? If yes, i guess those ones were safe.
> I also thought swahili people were highly interracially mixed and some looked more arab while others looked more african (or am i wrong?), if i am not wrong, then how were the British easily able to differentiate and classify swahilis who looked more arab from arabs? Or swahilis who looked more african from native africans? Since all of you speak the same language?
> Do swahilis and all coastal swahilized arabs and native africans have the same culture?

Fidha254:
Look at the map properly, its only in Kenya where geographically speaking, three different demographics almost equally occupy...
The only other place that has a similar thing is Nigeria although the nilotes only have a small portion in the north east.

Anyone who has the notion that kenya doesn't have a culture needs to get his head checked

There is culture in Kenya, I don't think most people are debating that. If they are, then they aren't being very logical.

By similar, then yes, there are three main language families in Nigeria. There are more language families than that if you include language isolates like the unclassified Cèntûm language, but we are talking about major language families.

That small portion you hinted at is an area home to millions of people and diverse ethnic groups. Also, the people you are referencing aren't Nilotes either, even though they are Nilo-Saharan speakers as the map suggests. Nilo-Saharan is comprised of many groups of people which is mostly made up of Nilotic and Saharan speakers. The Saharan groups live in NE Nigeria. The largest being the Kanuri. Others include Kanembu, Tedda, and Dassa. Other Nilo-saharan groups that are neither Saharan nor Nilotic are the Zarma/Songhai in the Sokoto area.

Here are the Saharan groups I'm talking about.

Nowenuse:


Okay thanks. West africa has the most beautiful and diverse cultural attires in africa.
Nigeria alone can account for 3/4 of the various types of cultural attires in Africa.

I have never really seen what original mainland Tanzanian culture looks like. Can you please show me?

The only cultural TZ music i have come across was this one by Diamond and Khadijah kopa. But i guess it is swahili culture, isnt it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moE_dXt6-CQ

Also, the culture in the song also looks very similar with Kenyan Sauti sol's Sura Yako.
Is sura yako also a swahili culture song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEJw64Zl28U

"Okay thanks. West africa has the most beautiful and diverse cultural attires in africa.
Nigeria alone can account for 3/4 of the various types of cultural attires in Africa." How you just going to flex on me like that? haha...I give you that but when it comes to the women.... au sio

Mainland TZ culture I guess you will have to go the cities, I think people are leaving their traditional attire behind. I don't know...

The Diamond and Khadija Kopa song is straight up coastal. Khadija Kopa is a popular Taarab singer from Zanzibar.

The Sauti Sol song is also coastal flavoured.

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@genieluv @Nowenuse @9jakol

check hip pop in Amharic, very wierd thinking of it but cool hearing it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsRtiabpG3A




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNWLq6MJAZw&itct=CBoQpDAYACITCNSrodzY0dQCFUW4VQodl3YF2VIUTGlqIG1pY2hhZWwgZXNodXJ1cnU%3D&client=mv-google&gl=US&hl=en

Very nice!
A lot of Ethiopian music has that kind of upbeat to it like you are supposed to dance with it. Do you agree?

Nowenuse:


Thank you so much for the enlightening piece. Nothing like info from the source. I also have many questions (please be patient with me).

> Were Indians also chased out alongside the arabs?
> How could the Unguja swahilis and native africans easily differentiate Pemba swahilis and Comorians? don't they so much look alike and have same cultures?
> Were there also arabs in Pemba? If yes, i guess those ones were safe.
> I also thought swahili people were highly interracially mixed and some looked more arab while others looked more african (or am i wrong?), if i am not wrong, then how were the British easily able to differentiate and classify swahilis who looked more arab from arabs? Or swahilis who looked more african from native africans? Since all of you speak the same language?
> Do swahilis and all coastal swahilized arabs and native africans have the same culture?

-The Indians were targeted as well, any group that subjugated or mistreated Africans got dealt with.
-To differentiate an Arab, a Swahili or native African wasn't as simple really, your ancestry meant everything not how you looked. Also there were is some cultural markers that was reserved for respected/wealthy individuals in society.
-Today everyone that consider themselves Swahili has the same culture for the most part



Look at the man sitting for example, he's wearing a embroidered turban and black overcoat, he also has a dagger, holding a sword and he's sitting on specially carved wooden chair which indicates some type of power. Now, is he Swahili or Arab? I have no idea.

Nowenuse:


What an ugly lady

nobody's ugly.....pls.

Hati13:

Simply beautiful!
The man upper cloth can't be match by others. The ladies and their dress are beautiful.

If I've to choose the most beautiful, I will go with the man and last girl.

From which material is the men upper cloth made of?
Do some neighboring countries also wear it?

And also let me show you the Afar people(they live largely in Ethiopia and in small number in Eritrea and Djibouti).

The main fabric used in those clothing is ankara. They are part of modern Nigerian wear, they aren't necessary the most traditional wear and yes it's very common throughout West Africa and beyond. Other fabrics used in modern Nigerian fabric are lace and "native". These became part of the modern Nigerian attire.

Also, I like those Afar wear. They are very light, probably because of the scorching sun. I've noticed the Afar wear differs from that of Amhara likewise the Amhara also differs from Oromo. The same reality is in Nigeria. Every ethnic group has its own wear, so the modern Nigerian is the blended and very modernized version of the original traditional clothing. By traditional, I'm talking about what people wore like 400 years ago before any modern adaptation. I see that in some of the Ethiopian posts, the same modernization is happening. For example, I can almost distinguish what is modern Ethiopian and what's ancient.