Bros plz shatap. U are a disgrace to Christianity, on the subject of gvg to ur pastor or anybody else that is ur man of God, the bible said something:"bring all the tithes and offerings into my storehouse and see if the windows of blessing won't be opened unto u". Is only a stingy poor man that complains, go and check out the big guys attending CE, even Solomon gave, and I'm nt sure u hv given half of wat he gave to God and u are complaining. Gvg is a principle, u gv to receive.
On the subject of Sin, I knw d kinda church u like attending, that type that they will tell u to come out for alter call every Sunday. Even Paul said something, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? U wnt the man of God to continue teaching u samething coz u are a baby Christian, the type that does nt wnt to discipline himself, salvation(soteria) is applied to a Christian once, once u hv been redeemed, u hv started the race already and surely u must fall, but u hv to work on ursef to keep growing and don't blame ur pastor.
I'm nt a member of CE, I'm of another denomination, buh we are all Christians under 1 body, I can't and won't allow u to come here and talk trash about a man ordained by God jst becoz u wnt to favor some pagans or atheists, so u now talk against a pastor of whom u don't hv the right to judge, it is only God that will judge him nt u. U beta delete this post b4 u start experiencing some funny changes in ur life

harry41:

I believe everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, I also think it's wrong to make a generalisation without having all the facts.

Your first point about giving is noted but those who give aren't complaining or not seeing the results of their giving. In the bible, it was recorded in many instances that some people gave their all to a course whether in the old or new testament. You give according to the measure you want. Nobody forces you to give above your means. God sees ur heart remember? And I know that in CE it has been said several times that you can give whatever you have.


On your second point, CE talks about sin but that isn't the church's main focus. The church teaches that if you focus on the word of God, you will learn to live above your fleshly desires. Focusing on sin isn't even scriptural. Please refer to Roman 6-8. CE never glorifies sin. Go and listen to his messages there are several of them on sin and living by the spirit. Furthermore, I find it amazing how ppl just want to believe the wrong things. The issue of masturbation which many have misconstrued is sad. The other pastors on the panel talked expressly on how to overcome masturbation which shows the church doesn't endorse it. Secondly, pastor Chris went further to say that it is not a sin but a habit. He said when you treat it as a habit, it breaks the power over you. Masturbation is a habit and can be overcome.

Lastly, it is contained in several verses of the bible that there's a gospel according to saint Paul, St Peter and so on. So I don't think when they say pst chris's msg that they mean something different or heresy.

I believe everybody should have a relationship with God and seek him personally then by his spirit you can discern rightly.

Thanks

I'm a witness to the much emphasis on the giving. And also wen pastors have to say one should saw seed with whatever they have that might lead away from God or they're no more making use of. They're collected and sold on auction. I witness that.
I don't have a problem with giving. Giving should be by faith. Not through a kinda continuous reminder that everything is tied to giving. I'm waiting for the day pastors will say NO MORE OFFERINGS AND TITHES, GIVE THEM TO THE POOR, HOMELESS AND ORPHANAGES AND YOUR REWARD BE IN HEAVEN. believe me most pastors will open orphanage homes.
It's not only by giving we receive God's blessing. We can by little gestures like assistance, respect for elders, love of God, community service etc.

About fornication and adultery by pastors, you can't just judge dem. We are humans like us prone to temptations but the lack of conscientizing themselves by trying to refrain its what i dont suppose is cool. That's why members should always pray for there spiritual leaders. It's not easy.

Church is now an avenue for money making. No more restrictions to the kinda things people put on to churches these days because another church might accept it and they'd lose such member which translates to a lot of money as banks loose money through on public holidays and also through bad customer care rep.
The best church is in ur heart. Dont be a die-hard fan to pastors but a son of God.

kizyalex10:
lol the op was once like u,soon u will become like d OP nd I hope it won't be late by then.always trying to justify their lifestyle,putting on trousers to church,leaving ur hair open nd u call that a church?God will save u

The one that u are going, did they teach u ppl to judge and condemn Christains and non Christains??

fyneguy:


You were a Christ Embassy member yet you posted the message below (see bolded part):

: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Marchman: 11:59pm On Oct 07, 2015
This is really surprising coming from Pastor Chris cos ive not a seen a more money loving and grabbing church than Christ Embassy which has commercialised every aspect of the gospel. Everything in the church is paid for. Nothing is given free. If that is not love for money I wonder what is.

Then there is a giving which is greater than Joagbaje'' socalled principle. it is giving in love with no expectations of what you get in return. Christ exemplified this by giving his life. That is what the Good Samaritans did too. In all of Christ message that is what he taught. Today it is different with the socalled prosperity gospel. Avery selfish and self serving religion that is all about you and your prosperity.

And Mr. Agbaje, i know of many people in your church who have followed your principle and are very broke because of it. very broke.


So much for a christian who posted this:

: Please Save Me From Myself, My Husband Cheated On Me, I Tried To Kill Myself by Marchman: 4:47pm On Jun 03, 2015
What's the big deal that he cheated? All men cheat. Take your eyes off his phone and you will be fine!

In this your post, i see no much importance. I've watched a full sermon of pastor Chris on YouTube that he thought that no matter what, when married, a Christian can never divorce. That they gotta work it out. I was so shocked about that his teaching because i believed he'd be of the league of those who support divorce. In that message he made it clear it's wrong. Fast forward yrs later, he divorced his wife. So it's very common for him to preach about something literally, but he does and means the opposite. E just be like make mesef preach am as people dey do.

Another sermon he was laying so much emphasis on winning souls as the coming of Christ is imminent, i was just thinking ehmmm. Packing souls to the church to nurture them for hell? Abi which kind soul winning. A church where my brother was rebuked while we were in foundation school that they do not make use of the "Blood of Jesus"

jaymejate:
THIS GUY is .... i'm sorry to say, is a fool.
you guys have totally forgotten that, the pastors are human being and not has perfect as Jesus u know.
they too always look for a way to get enlightened. so you too you are finding enlightenment that's why you're there.
teachings can never be perfect.
you are to take the ones that is useful to you and throw away the ones that are not.

the ministry of people is different. some is to teach holiness, some to teach on how to give, some is prosperity e.t.c.

and moreover, they didn't force you to give or did they point gun at you to give?
if they are not giving you what you want to hear, go to another place and stop making people feel like the church is diff.

MINISTRY OF EVERYONE IS DIFF.

you judging them, check Romans 2; 1-3

Are you saying the ministry of Mr Chris oyakhilome, the divorcee, is to water down the gospel and teach members that sexual immorality has no consequence?

Sorry to say, but you are the fool here.

itsmeurLady:
OP this does not only happen in Christ embassy, it happens everywhere as per the giving issue... for ur info, I've been a CEC Member for years now and I've never been broke, it has been from one level of glory to another. Are u saying that the Bible is a liar Givers never lack, it's not possible except u are giving for the wrong reasons. Show me a person that gave and I will show u a person that gave wrongly. U don't kno wat ppl do when the give, so don't be quick to conclude. Yes I kno there are some acts that cld be questioning in my church buh that's bcs we are not perfect, we are all striving towards perfection... pastor does not promote sin, if you study ur bible properly and read ur devotional, it will be difficult for sin to have dominion in ur life. Just if u will let the Holy Spirit guide you to serve God right. Cs the Bible sez not by our power nor by might but by his spirit. So OP go and look for the perfect church to worship in, where there are no offenders but trust me u will be shocked. I'm still in CEC bcs it has improved my spiritual life in terms of praying, speaking positively and seeing things differently from the world's view. It has also built my faith, so OP u have sed ur own, but I can count my blessings from that same church u are condemning. Story plenty for Christ embassy but my dear OP, stay in a Church that above all, will help put the word of God in your spirit. Some pastors even listen to Pastor Chris'msgs to tell you how powerful his messages are. OP take heed lest u fall, Don't let Satan use you to drag ppl away from the body of Christ Cs I don't see the reason y u are posting this... u dey post am make we comot? Comot go where Another church that will still do the same thing

He never asked you to leave nau. He only shared his ordeal. He who wishes to learn from it can go ahead.

professorchuks:
Bros plz shatap. U are a disgrace to Christianity, on the subject of gvg to ur pastor or anybody else that is ur man of God, the bible said something:"bring all the tithes and offerings into my storehouse and see if the windows of blessing won't be opened unto u". Is only a stingy poor man that complains, go and check out the big guys attending CE, even Solomon gave, and I'm nt sure u hv given half of wat he gave to God and u are complaining. Gvg is a principle, u gv to receive.
On the subject of Sin, I knw d kinda church u like attending, that type that they will tell u to come out for alter call every Sunday. Even Paul said something, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? U wnt the man of God to continue teaching u samething coz u are a baby Christian, the type that does nt wnt to discipline himself, salvation(soteria) is applied to a Christian once, once u hv been redeemed, u hv started the race already and surely u must fall, but u hv to work on ursef to keep growing and don't blame ur pastor.
I'm nt a member of CE, I'm of another denomination, buh we are all Christians under 1 body, I can't and won't allow u to come here and talk trash about a man ordained by God jst becoz u wnt to favor some pagans or atheists, so u now talk against a pastor of whom u don't hv the right to judge, it is only God that will judge him nt u. U beta delete this post b4 u start experiencing some funny changes in ur life

God bless you Ma!!!!

akagaba:
Op, u are just an agent of darkness sent from the pit of hell against the church but im sorry, u have lost d battle woefully. I command u to return to d pit of hell wher u came from

Mumu , yahoo boy pastor go continue to chop this ones money and pussy till the end

An2elect2:
The Bible said it. I noticed that the people who go all out against Islam are themselves clowns. They are so quick to judge Muslims who are "outside the faith" but so annoyingly slow to rightly judge the wolves in their midst who are the real enemies of Christianity.

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So called Christians don't be stupid. The devil will not successfully deceive you if he does not disguise himself as a sheep.That's why we should test everything in the light of God's word. The people you should be weary of are the ones in Christendom with you! especially your pastors because those are the people that nurture you.

Stop judging by appearance and start judging rightly!

Bros pls never even mention Islam when we talk about the church n its errors. The worst church is far better than d most holy mosque. don't quote me

itsmeurLady:


But Oga no be by force oo... all these things wey u dey mention, if u tell them say u no get dem nor go kill u oo... This is my church, when they ask, if I get I give, if I no get, I will tell them that I don't have and I don't give ... in other words, it is not by force

Guy, it's not forced , I know but the way they ask make it look like it's being forced like

If you don't pay, God might raise another avenue where you will pay in many folds

Can u observe those that aren't being paying , are still those that still don't have money if you checked their lives?
Raise your money up, prophecy into it and come and drop it at the altar
Sometimes , they might call your by name to come out and give u an envelope to sow seed in it
And so on
Brother , if you don't have at this juncture, u feel embarrassed in a whole congregation
Do you even know there is what is called SEED SOWERS OR PARTNERSHIP/GIVERS Award s? Where a large banner is displayed showing highest seed speeds for the month in church. Pls , is that bibilical?
To me, CE isn't meant for the hustling people
When you have arrived, then u can start going there.

vickylincon:
that's your personal view though

This is more like the real view, not just his personal view

akagaba:
Op, u are just an agent of darkness sent from the pit of hell against the church but im sorry, u have lost d battle woefully. I command u to return to d pit of hell wher u came from

That's the problem with you lot. You won't tackle the fundamental issues but cast aspersions on the person.

jaymejate:
THIS GUY is .... i'm sorry to say, is a fool.
you guys have totally forgotten that, the pastors are human being and not has perfect as Jesus u know.
they too always look for a way to get enlightened. so you too you are finding enlightenment that's why you're there.
teachings can never be perfect.
you are to take the ones that is useful to you and throw away the ones that are not.

the ministry of people is different. some is to teach holiness, some to teach on how to give, some is prosperity e.t.c.

and moreover, they didn't force you to give or did they point gun at you to give?
if they are not giving you what you want to hear, go to another place and stop making people feel like the church is diff.

MINISTRY OF EVERYONE IS DIFF.

you judging them, check Romans 2; 1-3

you are a perfect example of people who dont pray to know and be led by the truth, lovers of men more than lovers of God, ignoramus

jaymejate:
THIS GUY is .... i'm sorry to say, is a fool.
you guys have totally forgotten that, the pastors are human being and not has perfect as Jesus u know.
they too always look for a way to get enlightened. so you too you are finding enlightenment that's why you're there.
teachings can never be perfect.
you are to take the ones that is useful to you and throw away the ones that are not.

the ministry of people is different. some is to teach holiness, some to teach on how to give, some is prosperity e.t.c.

and moreover, they didn't force you to give or did they point gun at you to give?
if they are not giving you what you want to hear, go to another place and stop making people feel like the church is diff.

MINISTRY OF EVERYONE IS DIFF.

you judging them, check Romans 2; 1-3

Remember what the bible said about blind leading the blind?

Op, The Bible said that each and everyone of us will stand before God and give account of him or herself at the last day. It did not say that each of us will give account of our church or family or Relations or nations but, ourselves. When u understand this then, u will close ur eyes to some of the things that are happening in our world today. Salvation and Christianity is a personal thing not a coperate thing. The same Bible also said, work out ur own salvation with fear and trembling. Not ur Church or pastors salvation but yours. So telling us why u left Christmas Embassy doesn't really matter.

akagaba:
Op, wake up... as soon as u left, 500 more people walked in so dont come here and disgrace urself. If u have allowed d devil to take a hold of u, then seek deliverance somehwere becus so many lives are being changed and transformed in Christ Embassy. We dont preach sin in CE cuz thats not what God asked us to preach. We rather preach the goodnews of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and thats the gudnews that brings sinners to God.

For money matter, its only a poor man that speaks d way u do. We give big, very very big in CE and thats becuz we serve a big God so deal with ur poverty.

You have been so pathetically brainwashed. I feel pity for you. By the time Entrepreneur/pastor Chris is through with you, you won't be able to see yourself again.

itsmeurLady:

God bless you Ma!!!!

I have found u

As I said, relationship with God is key. I pursue God and him alone. I refuse to condemn or see the wrong in anyone but love them as jesus loves us unconditionally.

malcom2x:


I'm a witness to the much emphasis on the giving. And also wen pastors have to say one should saw seed with whatever they have that might lead away from God or they're no more making use of. They're collected and sold on auction. I witness that.
I don't have a problem with giving. Giving should be by faith. Not through a kinda continuous reminder that everything is tied to giving. I'm waiting for the day pastors will say NO MORE OFFERINGS AND TITHES, GIVE THEM TO THE POOR, HOMELESS AND ORPHANAGES AND YOUR REWARD BE IN HEAVEN. believe me most pastors will open orphanage homes.
It's not only by giving we receive God's blessing. We can by little gestures like assistance, respect for elders, love of God, community service etc.

About fornication and adultery by pastors, you can't just judge dem. We are humans like us prone to temptations but the lack of conscientizing themselves by trying to refrain its what i dont suppose is cool. That's why members should always pray for there spiritual leaders. It's not easy.

Church is now an avenue for money making. No more restrictions to the kinda things people put on to churches these days because another church might accept it and they'd lose such member which translates to a lot of money as banks loose money through on public holidays and also through bad customer care rep.
The best church is in ur heart. Dont be a die-hard fan to pastors but a son of God.

An2elect2:
Christ embassy Christianity is that one Christianity?

You've summarized it all

ayenitre:
I don't know if I can worship in Nigerian churches again. A redeem pastor I met in US tried to make me worship in his church using the tagline " aren't you tired of the white men's boring kind of worship" to which I replied "are you really confirming Nigerian's kind of worship is some sort of entertainment?"

As a Catholic, if there's a Nigerian version of Catholicism in the US, I'd still dig the white man's kind.

And I'm very pan-African in my views.

Tiri gbosa for u.

akagaba:
Op, wake up... as soon as u left, 500 more people walked in so dont come here and disgrace urself. If u have allowed d devil to take a hold of u, then seek deliverance somehwere becus so many lives are being changed and transformed in Christ Embassy. We dont preach sin in CE cuz thats not what God asked us to preach. We rather preach the goodnews of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and thats the gudnews that brings sinners to God.

For money matter, its only a poor man that speaks d way u do. We give big, very very big in CE and thats becuz we serve a big God so deal with ur poverty.

Chai, they've brainwash this one..
What is the good news of the gospel of Jesus if I may ask??
So once you're saved, u cannot sin again. abasi!!
U serve a very big God ba, u can as well give all your belongings, ur house and everything in ur acc afterall u serve a very big God. So if I don't give big, I'm poor... lol

I just hope u listen to urself very well ..
May God help you.

Keep writing against men of God.... God called him not you... God will be the one to judge him..... if you don't like the church, you leave.....

And there is no church where you won't give money, even after offering and tithe.... Church cannot go and steal govt money to run..

I am also not a Christ embassy member...

Any Christain that condemns the act of any church is not a true Christain... Cs God has not made any1 judge over anybody! Later they will say that are not moving forward, how can u move forward when u have insulted every servant Of God.. Nobody shld stain the body of Christ with vile words, if u don't have anything to say, just ignore and don't let the devil use you. I am surprised that some supposed Christains are even applauding the poster, this is a man that has led many to Christ. You are talking against him You that is talking, how many people have u won for Christ And u have mind to judge people. Muslims will not take this , this is why they are always united!! They stand up for what they believe even till death. So y can't Christains be radical about their faith too?? I pray that the love of God will continue to shine in our hearts so that we can be able to quench the fiery dart/instruments of Satan in these last days... OP God has forgiven you Cs it's obvious u are yet to truly know him

Opps welldun. U can now go home and sit in ur room ,drink ur ogogoro and be happy because u have done a good job.. God is very Happy​ with you. U are truely a born again Christian. Infact go and rejoice heaven is happy . But one word I have for you is dat no matter how hard u try u can never stop the work God is doin through pastor chris. Try harder.

Wise Decision .

Chidon1685:


I hope you are not one, otherwise no point thanking God whom u do not believe exists.

I guess you are not a newbie in use of English, it is spelt out there.

Besides, it is called an oxymoron.

akagaba:
Op, u are just an agent of darkness sent from the pit of hell against the church but im sorry, u have lost d battle woefully. I command u to return to d pit of hell wher u came from

I no say na woman go everly argue what this young man wrote up there. Sorry but i think your just being brainwashed and gullible.

Instead of insulting op why dont you disagree with him rather than calling him names, they have really scammed you beyond redemption and i no say na husband you dey go dia go find.

OP what u said is true. I have attended Christ embassy and it was more like a social gathering. Anything goes there. My friend in sch left Christ embassy because she was over taxed. They demand money almost with force

.

akagaba:
Op, wake up... as soon as u left, 500 more people walked in so dont come here and disgrace urself. If u have allowed d devil to take a hold of u, then seek deliverance somehwere becus so many lives are being changed and transformed in Christ Embassy. We dont preach sin in CE cuz thats not what God asked us to preach. We rather preach the goodnews of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and thats the gudnews that brings sinners to God.

For money matter, its only a poor man that speaks d way u do. We give big, very very big in CE and thats becuz we serve a big God so deal with ur poverty.

Read 2Timothy 4:2 and ask yourself what went wrong with you.

Scriptures you claim to follow says nothing unclean will enter heaven, but your pastor isn't called to Preach against sin? I won't be surprised if you are also fucking your pastor since sin is welcome in your church.

akagaba:
Op, wake up... as soon as u left, 500 more people walked in so dont come here and disgrace urself. If u have allowed d devil to take a hold of u, then seek deliverance somehwere becus so many lives are being changed and transformed in Christ Embassy. We dont preach sin in CE cuz thats not what God asked us to preach. We rather preach the goodnews of the gospel of our Lord Jesus and thats the gudnews that brings sinners to God.

For money matter, its only a poor man that speaks d way u do. We give big, very very big in CE and thats becuz we serve a big God so deal with ur poverty.

Read 2Timothy 4:2 and ask yourself what went wrong with you.

Scriptures you claim to follow says nothing unclean will enter heaven, but your pastor isn't called to Preach against sin? I won't be surprised if you are also ffucking your pastor since sin is welcome in your church.