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Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by JFT24(m): 1:07pm On Jul 04, 2017
Afam4eva:
Sometime si just wonder why we choose to tow the path of tomfoolery. What business does Arabic have been taught in Nigeria. After English and French, the most important languages in the world are Spanish, German, Portugese, Italian and Chinese in not particular order. Why Arabic for christ sake if there isn't an undertoned attempt to colonize us with Arabic and Islam. let's say the truth and shame the devil.

hahahahahaha, devil indeed.

Are u sure what devil look like??
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by JFT24(m): 1:10pm On Jul 04, 2017
Ken4Christ:
This issue is easy to handle. We say power belongs to the people. How many northerners are educationist? Majority are still Christians if not over 70%. Let all teachers simply go on strike demanding the restoration of CRK as a Subject and also for Arabic studies to be removed as an option to French. Oh too many strikes, someone may want to say. But for an issue like this, I think it is the only way out.

The Satan you refuse to deal with today will become a dragon tomorrow that will crush you.

This one new ooo, dragon strong pass devil??
ayam only asking ooo
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by mapet: 1:19pm On Jul 04, 2017
SnowJay92:




ollah1: :


And how did you know this? Besides what does French teachers has to do with Arabic trachers,? The subject are optional for the students and you choose which pleases you. Also, werent CAN representative part of the meeting during GEJs regime?

Oh the ulterior motive of this thing is to Islamise Nigeria by GEJ. You lots need brains replacements
If you had ignored the urge to throw the insult hanging in ur throat at me, you'd have read and understood my post. [b]How can someone say we don't have enough French teachers in Nigeria, and that is why He is introducing Arabic? [/b]Is this not the kind of white lies you tell 3yr old children? We're surrounded by French countries with Nigerians emigrating to them in numbers, like it can't be possible to have scarcity of French teachers. If they said they introduced Arabic because of popular demand in the north or to learn more about their religion, it would even be more reasonable. See, I'm not even worried about religion like you are, I care more about the political implications of these things, boko haram is still raging. Keep insulting people.


In as much as you make your argument and that should be respected, what I find disingenuous is your attempt to muddle things up to buttress your supposed points

1. @ the bolded - It was the CAN president (Revd Dr. Supo Ayokunle) that made the ridiculous statement and not the Ministry of Education. Ridiculous as the statement sounds, Revd Ayokunle till date is yet to justify this assertion with data.

2. Arabic studies was introduced into the Nigerian curriculum over 30yrs ago and not of recent.

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Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by ivolt: 2:08pm On Jul 04, 2017
Demmzy15:
Lemme explain to you how the missionaries exploited the people, they were successful with this in Yoruba areas and they got a lot of Muslims.

During the colonial era, they wanted to teach a town English and Latinalized writing script of Hausa. The requested for 3 brightest and most intelligent men, their intentions was that, if they could persuade this men to become Christians. Then the men would help spread the gospel in the town. Unfortunately, their plan was discovered and the people refused, so if the north had any issues with education as of then, it's legitimate.

I am quite aware that Nigeria's early education was linked to christian missionaries,
it is the same strategy the british empire pursued across its worldwide domain, so it
isn't much of a secret to be discovered.

However, this is the present day Nigeria, government funding of Arabic language is
a waste of resources,it is only useful for muslims, unless you believe it is time for
muslims to take their pound of flesh, you shouldn't support adding Arabic to the national
curriculum.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Demmzy15(m): 2:56pm On Jul 04, 2017
ivolt:


I am quite aware that Nigeria's early education was linked to christian missionaries,
it is the same strategy the british empire pursued across its worldwide domain, so it
isn't much of a secret to be discovered.

However, this is the present day Nigeria, government funding of Arabic language is
a waste of resources,it is only useful for muslims, unless you believe it is time for
muslims to take their pound of flesh, you shouldn't support adding Arabic to the national
curriculum.
Arabic is part of Nigeria's history, it was adopted by both the north and south. The missionaries were successful in getting rid of it in South easily and earlier, but not the north. It's a major language with French, my brother's school offered it with French and alot of Christians enrolled.

This government wasn't responsible for the change but a Christian-led government. If no one made noise then, why now? They're millions of Arab Christians, in fact these Christians are older than most Christians in the West.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by ivolt: 3:15pm On Jul 04, 2017
Demmzy15:
Arabic is part of Nigeria's history, it was adopted by both the north and south. The missionaries were successful in getting rid of it in South easily and earlier, but not the north. It's a major language with French, my brother's school offered it with French and alot of Christians enrolled.

This government wasn't responsible for the change but a Christian-led government. If no one made noise then, why now? They're millions of Arab Christians, in fact these Christians are older than most Christians in the West.

I don't give a damn about arab christians, this is Nigeria.
At no time is Arabic language an important language in
any part of the south, it was limited to the clerics.

Arabic language is a tool of Arab imperialism as can be
seen in North Africa where indigenous berbers have been
culturally enslaved.

Almajiris have been learning arabic for ages right from birth, yet it didn't
improve their condition. Why will anyone adopt such a failed language ?
What has been the positive effect of the north resisting early education ?

If you want your kids to learn Arabic, enrol them in a muslim shcool or
madrassa.

I understand it is your religious duty to spread Islam using any available
means, but stop the pretence!
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by brayan(m): 3:36pm On Jul 04, 2017
mapet:


......Yet the Brits sees it as strategic to prepare their children for the new world..... https://www.britishcouncil.org/education/schools/support-for-languages/arabic-language-culture-programme

......Yet Arabic is one of the official language of the United Nations

Your "Intelligensia" is from Mars shey?


You keep proving my point....the second most vital language in the UK....yet it won't make the 4th or 5th vital language in Nigeria instead of Nigerians to see learning indigenous languages as a necessity for better integration and preservation of our native tongues understand my point then you can make reasonable input
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by brayan(m): 3:45pm On Jul 04, 2017
ollah1:



Bro, i believe it's you who is myopic. Like Mapet said, Arabic has been in the curriculum from God knows how long but the only difference now is that, it's either you study Arabic or French. They are both optional subjects back then.

Secondly, it's a new world and yes it's important to be conversant with foreign languages. And Arabic is the best fit in the context.

Finally, I said that because Spanish , Hindi and Mandarin are entirely new languages. Mandarin and Hindi isn't spoken outside China and India so it's not important. Also, FG won't break a sweat to appoint Spanish teachers.

We should quit being gullible

Well i think your quite myopic too unfortunately because its quite obvious you think an option of Arabic instead of probably mandarin prepares you for the new world....Arabic schools have existed since you before any of us were born with little kids being thought the language I still don't see any valid reason it should be considered a foreign language to prepare people for the new world
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Nobody: 3:49pm On Jul 04, 2017
brayan:


Well i think your quite myopic too unfortunately because its quite obvious you think an option of Arabic instead of probably mandarin prepares you for the new world....Arabic schools have existed since you before any of us were born with little kids being thought the language I still don't see any valid reason it should be considered a foreign language to prepare people for the new world


Which other country speaks Madarin besides China?
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Nobody: 4:14pm On Jul 04, 2017
ivolt:


I don't give a damn about arab christians, this is Nigeria.
At no time is Arabic language an important language in
any part of the south, it was limited to the clerics.

Arabic language is a tool of Arab imperialism as can be
seen in North Africa where indigenous berbers have been
culturally enslaved.

Almajiris have been learning arabic for ages right from birth, yet it didn't
improve their condition. Why will anyone adopt such a failed language ?
What has been the positive effect of the north resisting early education ?

If you want your kids to learn Arabic, enrol them in a muslim shcool or
madrassa.

I understand it is your religious duty to spread Islam using any available
means, but stop the pretence!


Professor Isaac Ogunbiyi is a Pastor of Jehovah witness and also an Arabic lecturer. If he thinks like a bigot, he wouldn't have ventured into learning Arabic talkmore of being a professor in the same subject.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jul 04, 2017
brayan:



You keep proving my point....the second most vital language in the UK....yet it won't make the 4th or 5th vital language in Nigeria instead of Nigerians to see learning indigenous languages as a necessity for better integration and preservation of our native tongues understand my point then you can make reasonable input


You want learning indigenous language a necessity In a country were tribalism, favoritism and nepotism thrives. You are on a long thing and besides, local languages already make up the curriculum.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:19pm On Jul 04, 2017
SnowJay92:




No one is getting information from their asses. Read

http://punchng.com/french-as-nigerias-second-language/

http://allafrica.com/stories/201602250048.html

http://thesummary.com.ng/index.php/news-categories/national/item/5688-fg-announces-nigeria-s-second-official-language



Infact Google is always your friend. Now contrast with this...

https://www.nairaland.com/3496691/hurray-hausa-nigerias-second-official

The person that made the post about what did he/she have in mind?
In all the links you provided sir, none supports your claim.
You explicitly stated that French is our second official languages as seen below in your post
SnowJay92:
I personally think that just like everything else that doesn't overly tilt to their advantage, some people are so unhappy with French being the second official language of Nigeria after English, hence the introduction of Arabic, to complete and take over from the former. The question is who does all these frivolous scheming help?
Your links are cases of "could be" or "might be " in the future. None of them specifically stated that French is our second official language. One even also considered Hausa could also be chosen as our second official language. So your proof is dead on arrival.
Do you now believe you are the one searching for snow in Nigeria ?

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Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:34pm On Jul 04, 2017
SnowJay92:


I'm worried about the political implications, it's modifying the almajiri thing. Making people blind and very backward from the current happenings of the world, in order to be readily available for religious wars, and political advantage, like it has always been in this country.
I think this is where you are getting it all wrong . The notion that that introduction of this language will cause more brain washing and hence Boko Haram.
If at this point in time you still believe that Boko Haram are Muslims trying to implement Islam in 9ja and hence are hell bent on killing Christians, then you are the most gullible person I know (no offense intended) . The Boko Haram of today is totally different from that of yusuf and if you can't see it, I would be forced to ask of you are a Nigerian?
Secondly majority the people who were being brainwashed then didn't study Arabic, they only listen to their leaders that studied Arabic and what they told Quran says is what they will believe And is final . Assuming these people could understand Arabic, do you think they could easily be told different and brainwashed when they themselves could understand the language of the Quran?

You equally have this wrong notion that Arabic is being introduced now, and for the umpteenth time, you are wrong. I am from edo state, my father spoke, understood and could write Arabic. I understand Arabic perfectly. Majority of the Muslims you see can read Arabic. ....so Arabic isn't new in Nigeria. It has always been there. So I caution you on the use of "a new language is introduced"

Whatever hatred you have for buhari's government or Islam, please keep it aside and analyse this issue objectively
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:44pm On Jul 04, 2017
mapet:


In as much as you make your argument and that should be respected, what I find disingenuous is your attempt to muddle things up to buttress your supposed points

1. @ the bolded - It was the CAN president (Revd Dr. Supo Ayokunle) that made the ridiculous statement and not the Ministry of Education. Ridiculous as the statement sounds, Revd Ayokunle till date is yet to justify this assertion with data.

2. Arabic studies was introduced into the Nigerian curriculum over 30yrs ago and not of recent.
Well said sir
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:46pm On Jul 04, 2017
mapet:


Why don't you start by telling us IF you were forced to study Arabic in JSS 2

What is absolutely balderdash is the wrong impression that Arabic is "Affiliated" to Islamic religion. Yes, a variant of Arabic is the liturgical language of Islam and that is only logical because Arabic is the language spoken by the people in the country where Islam started. Beyond that limited view, Arabic predated Islam for starters and has its place in evolution, science and commerce.

Even the western world "borrowed" some concepts from other languages and Arabic inclusive. Insights from Arabic influenced many aspects of studies mathematics.........most importantly Arabic is one of the official Languages of the United Nations
no one is forcing anybody to study Arabic. The option of French is there yet they are complaining. I really don't know how some people reason
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:47pm On Jul 04, 2017
SnowJay92:


Unstability, crisis and killings (sorry I used those words), that have been associated with Islam in the past are always blamed on misguided elements or misled people, so we shouldn't be doing things or making policies that would make more people vulnerable and easily used or brainwashed, that has been the point I've been trying to make the whole time.

We could have had a peaceful argument and maybe I would have seen your point too, but you've given me all manner of insults. But it's okay, let's end this discourse.
Think of Arabic in the northern perspective as an avenue for eliminating blind following rather than a fuel for crisis . I already gave you reasons why you should
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by alBHAGDADI: 4:50pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:

I think this is where you are getting it all wrong . The notion that that introduction of this language will cause more brain washing and hence Boko Haram.
If at this point in time you still believe that Boko Haram are Muslims trying to implement Islam in 9ja and hence are hell bent on killing Christians, then you are the most gullible person I know (no offense intended) . The Boko Haram of today is totally different from that of yusuf and if you can't see it, I would be forced to ask of you are a Nigerian?
Secondly majority the people who were being brainwashed then didn't study Arabic, they only listen to their leaders that studied Arabic and what they told Quran says is what they will believe And is final . Assuming these people could understand Arabic, do you think they could easily be told different and brainwashed when they themselves could understand the language of the Quran?

You equally have this wrong notion that Arabic is being introduced now, and for the umpteenth time, you are wrong. I am from edo state, my father spoke, understood and could write Arabic. I understand Arabic perfectly. Majority of the Muslims you see can read Arabic. ....so Arabic isn't new in Nigeria. It has always been there. So I caution you on the use of "a new language is introduced"

Whatever hatred you have for buhari's government or Islam, please keep it aside and analyse this issue objectively
Arabic has never been part of our culture and history in this country. It was a foreign ideology brought in by uthman Dan fodio and his jihad squad. You are even saying it as if Arabic was our language instead of Yoruba, igbo and Hausa. Since you Muslims have been studying Arabic, what benefit has it brought to you other than terrorism?
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by alBHAGDADI: 4:52pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:
no one is forcing anybody to study Arabic. The option of French is there yet they are complaining. I really don't know how some people reason

Why not make Hebrew the option to Arabic?


If you weren't a Muslim, would you honestly support the introduction of Arabic, a language that hasn't helped the Arabs in any form?
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by alBHAGDADI: 4:55pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:

Think of Arabic in the northern perspective as an avenue for eliminating blind following rather than a fuel for crisis . I already gave you reasons why you should
So what's the benefit to southerners? A tool to stylishly convert them?

If you say the Arabic subject will help eliminate blind Muslim followers in the north, then it means the main aim of introducing it is to further the course of Islam.

Can you now see why we reject it? Give us Jewish language as option or no Arabic language.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 4:57pm On Jul 04, 2017
^^^^
Same way I have always ignored almost all your mentions in religion section will you also be ignored here
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by WotzupNG: 5:19pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:
^^^^
Same way I have always ignored almost all your mentions in religion section will you also be ignored here
Ignore the truth.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 5:50pm On Jul 04, 2017
WotzupNG:
Ignore the truth.
I replied all that mentioned me except him. Doesn't that tell you something.? Are you his partner in crime?
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by WotzupNG: 6:28pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:
I replied all that mentioned me except him. Doesn't that tell you something.? Are you his partner in crime?
No
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by udatso: 6:52pm On Jul 04, 2017
WotzupNG:
No
Perhaps you should know the integrity of the person I addressed before taking sides
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Kdon2: 7:50pm On Jul 04, 2017
Eno38151:


I don't blame you, you can be as insulting as you like.

[Christianity is not limited by language but christains seem to be. If Isa (peace be upon upon) Jesus as you say spoke Hebrew I dont know why you and most of your Pastors cant learn HEBREW and find out his real teachings.

That is if it exists and if the church and its powers will drop this matter of priesthood & hierarchy and allow you see the manuscripts (I dont think Jesus (Peace be upon him) ever said someone should corner his teachings and say that the people cannot understand not to talk of allowing what Jesus was commanded by the lord to forbid the people and completely come up with new narratives be it king James or whoever and back it up by saying "the lord/holy ghost spoke to me".

But these things that are the basis of Christianity never come under scrutiny by most of the gleeful masses/congregations all you do is feed the pastors at your own expense to give them luxurious lives in the name of doing the work of the Lord as though Jesus and the prophets who lived a simple life of poverty without begging or exploiting the masses were not doing the work of the lord.

But you seem to be more interested in blindly following any pastor that tells you whatever suits your desires and offers you false absolution from the burdens of your sins (stated even in the Bible you read) and any moral scruples you may have. They again whip you into a frenzy to disturb the peace and attack ingenuous policies as covert plots by Muslims.

It will be a better way to spend your time if you were to get together and ask CAN and the likes of your E.A Adeboye to deliver their sermons from now on in Hebrew after all they are a people claim to speak to JESUS they should be able to speak the hebrew cause jesus spoke Hebrew and i know that English as we have it did not exist in Jesus time not to talk of him speaking it.

If they cannot speak it please ask their family members and the church staff or CAN to help them deliver the sermon in Hebrew. Let us see how many of them can actually do it.

Also another point, the arab pastors that also claim to speak to jesus like your own Nigerian pastors do please ask them in which language they spoke to him.


But you will not do that because all that the majority of you do is go and be told what you want to hear and you leave without ever daring to question the fantastical stories you hear from them.

If arabic is offensive to the church CAN and its pastors can utilise the tithe that they so diligently collect to set up programmes to teach Hebrew. That will also not happen because all you want to do is hurl insults and cry foul at every innocuous occurrence.

Welcome back. The summary of all this comment is that you have further display your ignorance. You should be ashamed of your reasoning,the quran you celebrate is filled mostly with the history of the jews that muslims hated with passion. 2. 80% of the prophet your quran celebrated are jews. Eg prophet Dauda. Abeg i dont want to insult you,but what kind of hipocrisy is this.SMH
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Kdon2: 7:56pm On Jul 04, 2017
koboko69:


Lol...this is ur defense. Very lame!
I am a Christian just like u are...I'm not just a dumb one.

You are a disgrace to christianity then. I guess you are one of the funky ones.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Eno38151: 9:11pm On Jul 04, 2017
Kdon2:


Welcome back. The summary of all this comment is that you have further display your ignorance. You should be ashamed of your reasoning,the quran you celebrate is filled mostly with the history of the jews that muslims hated with passion. 2. 80% of the prophet your quran celebrated are jews. Eg prophet Dauda. Abeg i dont want to insult you,but what kind of hipocrisy is this.SMH

Ignorance is not knowing the Quran and trying to argue with snippets you may have heard here and there most likely from your Preachers or others without really knowing it yourself and not knowing that they dont know.

It would better serve you and your friends to learn your bible from the manuscripts which they claim to originate from not be held hostage to translations and presumptuously specious rhetoric.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by hero2000: 9:39pm On Jul 04, 2017
Demmzy15:
Arabic is part of Nigeria's history, it was adopted by both the north and south. The missionaries were successful in getting rid of it in South easily and earlier, but not the north. It's a major language with French, my brother's school offered it with French and alot of Christians enrolled.

This government wasn't responsible for the change but a Christian-led government. If no one made noise then, why now? They're millions of Arab Christians, in fact these Christians are older than most Christians in the West.

Did you say Arab (or Islam as it is interchangeable in this context) was accepted in the North AS WELL AS SOUTH before the arrival of the Europeans? Just a HANDFUL of Southerners accepted Islam/Arabic before Europeans came. Those handful are in some SW states. SE and SS had and still have low presence of Islam/Arabic.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by hero2000: 9:52pm On Jul 04, 2017
ollah1:



Which other country speaks Madarin besides China?

Which Arabic speaking country trades a quarter of Nigeria's trade with China?

Is all our trade with Arabic countries up to a half our that with China?

I have nothing against Arabic. Arabic language spread because of Islam. English spread because of Colonization, technology and Christianity.

Chinese language will spread, not because of any religion or colonization, but because of technology and trade.

Both are useful international languages. Don't degrade one for the other.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by alBHAGDADI: 10:07pm On Jul 04, 2017
udatso:

Perhaps you should know the integrity of the person I addressed before taking sides
Look who's talking about integrity. Someone that sees nothing wrong in Mohammad having sex with a 9yr old girl and also a dead woman.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Nobody: 10:36pm On Jul 04, 2017
hero2000:


Which Arabic speaking country trades a quarter of Nigeria's trade with China?

Is all our trade with Arabic countries up to a half our that with China?

I have nothing against Arabic. Arabic language spread because of Islam. English spread because of Colonization, technology and Christianity.

Chinese language will spread, not because of any religion or colonization, but because of technology and trade.

Both are useful international languages. Don't degrade one for the other.


Quit being emotional with these gibberish. Arabic has long been in the system so it's the only language that can be fully implemented alongside French.
Re: Decreeing Boycott Of Arabic Is Equal To Boko Haram – Tolu Ogunlesi by Nobody: 10:38pm On Jul 04, 2017
Kdon2:


You are a disgrace to christianity then. I guess you are one of the funky ones.

So because he is a Christian, he should lie like the religious leaders. He should also turn to ignorant folks like are littered on NL

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