baby124:

Okeren is Okurin
Oberen is Obirin
... they are speaking a Yoruba dialect. That Okurin and Obirin is man and woman.
Etin (ear) is Eti in Yoruba
Afere (wind) Afefe (wind) Yoruba

Interesting, that means the particular kind of Yoruba is also similar to Igbo. The 'okoro' in Itsekiri suggests there's some interchange with Igbo, even if it's a little. It'd be good to see an Itsekiri dictionary to see even more similarities between the languages.

forgiveness:


All the @bolded are of Yoruba dialect, Ijebu.

Okay, Ijebu is further east so it makes sense it would share similar words with Igbo.

ezeagu:


Interesting, that means the particular kind of Yoruba is also similar to Igbo. The 'okoro' in Itsekiri suggests there's some interchange with Igbo, even if it's a little. It'd be good to see an Itsekiri dictionary to see even more similarities between the languages.

Okoro is not just an Ibo word alone
i have friends named.

1. Okoro Chibuzor from Abia
2. Okoro Tosan (Itsekiri)
3. Okoro Onoriode
4. Okorodas (Bayelsa)

Itsekiri bear names like Okorodudu, Okorotie(Okotie) etc

onuwaje:

Okoro is not just an Ibo word alone
i have friends named.

1. Okoro Chibuzor from Abia
2. Okoro Tosan (Itsekiri)
3. Okoro Onoriode
4. Okorodas (Bayelsa)

Itsekiri bear names like Okorodudu, Okorotie(Okotie) etc

Okoro means man or male in both Igbo and Itsekiri, meaning there's similarity not just in the sound of the word, but also meaning. Okorodudu is a counterpart to Okoroji, dark Okoro. What does Okorotie mean?

ezeagu:


Okay, Ijebu is further east so it makes sense it would share similar words with Igbo.

Relative to where? You are not making sense.

Opiletool:


Don't derail the thread abeg, not all South South pple are from the west.

Then school me about individual tribe history then.
Can you?

ezeagu:


Interesting, that means the particular kind of Yoruba is also similar to Igbo. The 'okoro' in Itsekiri suggests there's some interchange with Igbo, even if it's a little. It'd be good to see an Itsekiri dictionary to see even more similarities between the languages.

No, the resemblance isn't because of interchange, but because Yoruba and Igbo (and Edo, and Igala) all used to be one language, thousands of years ago; the languages therefore share hundreds of cognate terms like "okunrin"/"okoro", "eti/nti", "omi/mmiri", "oritsa/orisha/olise", etc.

The reason why this is more apparent with Ijebu/Ondo/Ilaje/Itsekiri dialects isn't because of their closer proximity to Igboland, but because "standard" Oyo Yoruba (and related varieties such as Egba) have linguistic innovations that haven't invaded central (Ife) and south-east (Ijebu/Ondo) varieties, which have held onto the ancestral forms of many terms ( eg. "ugbo" instead of "igbo" ). Many of the same conserved terms can also be observed in slightly different forms in Igala, which is the closest language to Yoruba outside of dialects like Itsekiri - so close, in fact, that it should take very little effort for a Yoruba speaker to quickly gain a working understanding of Igala.

ezeagu:


Interesting, that means the particular kind of Yoruba is also similar to Igbo. The 'okoro' in Itsekiri suggests there's some interchange with Igbo, even if it's a little. It'd be good to see an Itsekiri dictionary to see even more similarities between the languages.

Okoro in itsekiri is from The Proto-Edo word "Okoro" with open Ö. like Orkoror.
It is also present in Benin and Urhobo.
The Igbo Okoro is Ohkoroh (closed o)

Efewestern:


@bolded is itsekiri a dialect or a language.

the only benin influence I can see in itsekiri is the culture, apart from that I don't think itsekiri share anything with Benin again, was having a convoc with a guy about this and he said itsekiri migrated from Benin, but I was told itsekiri only adopted a beni prince.

You can as well list names of animals.

OAUTemitayo and other pro itsekiri on this forum I think this thread will be interesting to you.

cheers!!!

cc: seun, lalasticlala, please move this to fp when the op finishes with his writing.

I have this feeling that you are trying to distance or refute the fact that the Itsekiri language has very strong and obvious similarity with the Yoruba language. Take for instance the meaning of "igbajo", which means "gathering of ... ( it could be "... people), and this also means the same thing in both dialect. This I was told by a very senior Itsekiri citizen.

I think there is an historical perspective between both tribes. I'm going to Google it to find out more. I'm enjoying the lesson. Please fire on!

KimYongSun:


Okoro in itsekiri is from The Proto-Edo word "Okoro" with open Ö. like Orkoror.
It is also present in Benin and Urhobo.
The Igbo Okoro is Ohkoroh (closed o)

No, "okoro" in Itsekiri is not a borrowing from "proto Edo" or anywhere else. It is just the ancestral term retained by SE Yoruba dialects, of which Itsekiri happens to be one, and the reason Edo and Igbo also have the same term is because of their shared inheritance, not borrowing.

ezeagu:


Okoro means man or male in both Igbo and Itsekiri, meaning there's similarity not just in the sound of the word, but also meaning. Okorodudu is a counterpart to Okoroji, dark Okoro. What does Okorotie mean?

At the bold part, especially "Okorodudu", in Yoruba, it is going to "okurin dudu". Which means there are or there may be some assumed similarity between these languages.

ezeagu:


Okoro means man or male in both Igbo and Itsekiri, meaning there's similarity not just in the sound of the word, but also meaning. Okorodudu is a counterpart to Okoroji, dark Okoro. What does Okorotie mean?

Okorotie(Okotie) means Small Okoro

omohayek:

No, the resemblance isn't because of interchange, but because Yoruba and Igbo (and Edo, and Igala) all used to be one language, thousands of years ago; the languages therefore share hundreds of cognate terms like "okunrin"/"okoro", "eti/nti", "omi/mmiri", "oritsa/orisha/olise", etc.

The reason why this is more apparent with Ijebu/Ondo/Ilaje/Itsekiri dialects isn't because of their closer proximity to Igboland, but because "standard" Oyo Yoruba (and related varieties such as Egba) have linguistic innovations that haven't invaded central (Ife) and south-east (Ijebu/Ondo) varieties, which have held onto the ancestral forms of many terms ( eg. "ugbo" instead of "igbo" ). Many of the same conserved terms can also be observed in slightly different forms in Igala, which is the closest language to Yoruba outside of dialects like Itsekiri - so close, in fact, that it should take very little effort for a Yoruba speaker to quickly gain a working understanding of Igala.

There's that as well which I posted with the Yoruba and Igbo words for twenty, ogun ọgụ, although I do think some of the words would have come about later through interchange.

onuwaje:


Okorotie(Okotie) means Small Okoro

Okay, in Igbo it's Okoronta.

mbhs139:


At the bold part, especially "Okorodudu", in Yoruba, it is going to "okurin dudu". Which means there are or there may be some assumed similarity between these languages.

But, obviously, okoro is more similar to okoro than okurin.

By the way, is there a word like oko relating to males in Itsekiri? I know oko is husband in Yoruba, in Igbo, however, oko means male which is the root of okoro, man is also nwoko in some dialects (nwa (child) + oko (male))

ezeagu:
By the way, is there a word like oko relating to males in Itsekiri? I know oko is husband in Yoruba, in Igbo, however, oko means male which is the root of okoro, man is also nwoko in some dialects (nwa (child) + oko (male))

yes but its used minimal cos one of my big cousins used to call me oko during my childhood days

onuwaje:


the Itsekiri is a Yoruboid Language

but why is it that you guys dont want to be part of the yoruba nation.

jiangchu:


but why is it that you guys dont want to be part of the yoruba nation.

i am not in the position to answer that because it goes beyond me. tho the Itsekiri joined the Oodua congress some three or four years ago but the truth of the matter here if u are Itsekiri living in Warri is

1. we may have roots in Yoruba but we like to see ourselves as Itsekiri i dunno if its due to the Influence of the Benin that they have on us.

2. there is hardly any Yoruba folklore that doesn't lay reference to Oodua or Ife if u understand where i am heading to but in Itsekiri folklore majority of us peg our history to when the Benin Prince



as i have stated earlier, befre Ginuwa and his entourage embarked on a journey to establish a mystical kingdom at the request of Oba Olua of Benin. what was found in what we know as Itsekiri land today were fishing Yoruba settlements from Ugborodo(Escravos) down to Ode-Itsekiri (Ireju) Obodo, Omadino etc. weda or not these settlements saw themselves as Yoruba as at befre 1480 when the name Itsekiri was Christensen it is not recorded in history. that is why i always say the Itsekiri is a Yoruba dialect that evolved into a language on its own.

i grew up knowing that Itsekiris came from Benin, at some point i had heated arguments with people here on nairaland just to quash d claim that Itsekiris are Yoruba until i came across some books and thanks to my Uncle too.

onuwaje:
the aim of this thread is not in anyway political ethnocentric but for knowledge and learning purpose.


let's begin

wo-feng-gbego?

ezeagu:


There's that as well which I posted with the Yoruba and Igbo words for twenty, ogun ọgụ, although I do think some of the words would have come about later through interchange.

Igbo got whatever word that is related to Yoruba word from Igala and Edoid languages!

[quote author=onuwaje post=58209308]next is numbers in Itsekiri i will list 1-20

1. Mééne
2. Meji
3. Mééta
4. Méérén
5. Maaru
6. Mééfa
7. Meeje
8. Mééjó
9. Méésan
10. Méégua
11. Okan légua


Mehn this is almost the same with Yoruba language. Cool!

Efewestern:


lolx.. you really haven't listen to an itsekiri man speaking, those from ondo can understand him clearly, the olukumis only bear Yoruba name, they ain't yoruboid believe me, they are more igbo.

I have one as a course mate she bears Yoruba name everyone thinks she's Yoruba somehow looks like them too only knew because she said she was from Delta

Opiletool:


Bini itself has Yoruba influence. They worship Okun (whom was the first wife of oduduwa that was later deified, a common practise in the Yoruba land, I.e osun, oba, osa, oya, are all women deified by naming a river or stream or ocean after each of them). I think they also worship esu, who also was a Yoruba man back then. I stand to be corrected.

Seems you are drunk.... Trash

KingOvoramwen1:


Seems you are drunk.... Trash

Counter it with a reasonable submission or you keep ur leprousy infected fingers in ur pocket. Arindin oshi.

Two words: Oduduwa and Ile Ife.

KingOvoramwen1:


You are mad Stupid bastard ...... Stupid idiot typing nonsense better go and rot in that hell hole called ile ife

You meant the same hell hole the head of your dead Kings are buried? Oloriburuku somebody. You guys lack the ability to counter truths with a reasonable submission, all u resort to is insult birthed from your ignorance and unnecessary ego. Oponu ayirada

Opiletool:


You meant the same hell hole the head of your dead Kings are buried? Oloriburuku somebody. You guys lack the ability to counter truths with a reasonable submission, all u resort to is insult birthed from your ignorance and unnecessary ego. Oponu ayirada

Like the head of your useless kings are not buried in my backyard in Benin..... OZOUR trying to be relevant..... Slaves of the empire coming to run mouth in the 21st century..... Your Ibadan printing press has gone extinct since 1987 in case you don't know Mumu..... Uhun Dan

Opiletool:


[s]You meant the same hell hole the head of your dead Kings are buried? Oloriburuku somebody. You guys lack the ability to counter truths with a reasonable submission, all u resort to is insult birthed from your ignorance and unnecessary ego. Oponu ayirad[/s]a

I GO FINISH YOU FOR THIS THREAD...... FOWL

KingOvoramwen1:


Like the head of your useless kings are not buried in my backyard in Benin..... OZOUR trying to be relevant..... Slaves of the empire coming to run mouth in the 21st century..... Your Ibadan printing press has gone extinct since 1987 in case you don't know Mumu..... Uhun Dan

Would have love to reply u more and more, but I won't allow u drag me into ur abyss of gift-wrapped stupidity and wide gap in knowledge. Enjoy ur fun filled time in foolishness kid.

alablec:


Igbo got whatever word that is related to Yoruba word from Igala and Edoid languages!

Prove it.