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Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:43am On Jul 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: KCA and other popular logical arguments were constructed by theists . KCA was constructed by the muslims . How are you ignorant of these things ? The fact remains that the universe has a creator . The nature of the creator is and which religion It inspired is totally irrelevant to this argument since you are an atheist . Gosh , this is becoming too easy . 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:44am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: I see nothing worth giving my time to rebut in that post |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:45am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: No! nothing in it speaks of a creator, didn't I address the Muslim part? read my posts again cuz I've always told you comprehension is not your forte; |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:45am On Jul 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Lmao !! Stop hiding under religious skepticism and face the existence of God . If I were a deist , your talks about Christianity is absolutely balderdash and evasive . Focus on the argument and watch me humiliate you . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:46am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: but you are not! that's the point!! learn to read!!! |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:47am On Jul 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: Abeg JackBizzle abeg come we argue . This one just regurgitated what he read somewhere and can't even defend it . 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:48am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: regurgitated? I'm sure you've googled furiously as you usually do and can't find anything |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Richirich713: 11:49am On Jul 11, 2017 |
This actually shows how powerful these arguments are, atheists are now trying to restrict theists from using them. 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:49am On Jul 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: YOU ARE AN ATHEIST . ATHEISM IS CONCERNED WITH THE EXISTENCE OF GOD NOT RELIGION . You are meant to be concerned with arguing against the existence of God not being skeptical about religion because THE DEISTS ARE ALSO SKEPTICAL ABOUT RELIGION AND THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD . DO YOU GET IT AT ALL ? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:51am On Jul 11, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord: And I'm responding with lightning speed ? Stop evading and face the argument . 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 11:52am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Bro. You need to calm down and read properly. Cosmological arguments and co do not prove your religious God. I'm fact they argue for a deistic creator. Creator and God are not the same. The main point is that when you apologists argue for God's existence, you guys hardly use anything biblical. In fact, you guys start talking about how God was behind the big bang and his the universe is God..... 2 Likes |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:53am On Jul 11, 2017 |
Richirich713: Very powerful my brother . As we can see JackBizzle and hopefullandlord have been sweating profusely over them . Looking for how to be evasive . Hopefullandlord , come forth and let us end your Nairaland atheist career 2 Likes 2 Shares
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Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:54am On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: that's my point and it keeps flying over their heads |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by hopefulLandlord: 11:56am On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:like I said, I've seen nothing from you here worth my time countering |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:01pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: This is why I think atheists are inept at arguing against God's existence . You don't understand what you are against . You just argue blindly . Theology studies the nature of God . And deism as a theological position insists that the God who created the universe does not intervene in it . Cosmological argument or other logical arguments for God's existence do not argue for the nature of the divine but its existence . It goes like this 1. The existence of God 2. The nature of God 3. Religion I will only use the bible when I'm arguing for the credibility and verity of Christianity with adherents of other theistic religions . If I'm arguing with a deist I argue with my knowledge of theology . Because the deist has a different thought of the nature of God . If I argue with an atheist , Im concerned about the existence of God not Christianity or other religions . Do you get it now ? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:02pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: What?! Oh my God ! "God" is the title given to the creator of the universe . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:05pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
Richirich713: Lies. 1. Zeus and FSM are not finite. They are gods. 2. The kalam cosmological argument does not l8mit the number of creators. 3. The Cosmological argument fails on so many levels. First. It does not solve the problem of infinite regress but rather suggests that an uncreated creator solves it. But then that uncreated creator could be an alien, a ghost or a spaghetti monster |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:05pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: In your religion and not others. Don't be ignorant 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:07pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: 1. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause This premise agrees that there are somethings that are without a cause and those things are uncreated . Eg God , abstract/mathematical objects Infinite regress solved ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:09pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Your Christian religion covers the nature and existence of God and so, your ordered list is nonsense. Furthermore, this is why there is a distinction between theology and Christianity or Christian theology. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:10pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Either way , atheism is invalidated . Because the creator does exist , whatever you call him God or ghost or whatever atheism will still be dead and buried . 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:13pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You are not making any sense . Or you are being disingenuous . The fact still is that the arguments for God's existence have nothing do with the nature of God and deism as a theological position is concerned with the nature of God as a non-interventionist God . This thread is empty as usual . Have a nice day ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:13pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Whatever begins to exist must have a cause. That is, every physical thing has a cause. The only things that don't have a cause that we know of are abstract (mom material) things. So In short, your God is abstract......imaginary. |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by felixomor: 12:13pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog:Exactly These ignorant folks don't know that by opening this thread on deism, they have admitted that the atheism argument is dead. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:16pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: Lol.....how can you separate nature from existence, especially when your Christian religion fuses both? How can you argue for my existence without also mentioning my nature? How do you argue that I exist separately from my dog? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:18pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
felixomor: Exactly my brother . The OP does not know that this has exposed atheism and its dead arguments . Isn't deism arguing for God's existence too ? Oh dear ! !!! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:19pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: And you have the problem of infinite regress to solve . Gosh , this is so easy . |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:20pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
felixomor: Oh.....and deism validates Christianity ABI? So Jesus was preaching about his deist father in space? |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by Richirich713: 12:21pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You a guys need to relax with this "lies!" stuff, I already said in my next post that its possible that there could be multiple eternal beings. I took your claim "His strongest argument could be used for any God." to be an error on ur side, not a lie. So chill if u think I made a factual error, say so, not accuse me of lying. 1. Zeus and FSM are not finite. They are gods.Contingent gods, meaning Cosmological arguments won't work with them. 2. The kalam cosmological argument does not l8mit the number of creators. Already said so in next post. 3. The Cosmological argument fails on so many levels. First. It does not solve the problem of infinite regress but rather suggests that an uncreated creator solves it. But then that uncreated creator could be an alien, a ghost or a spaghetti monster I'm not arguing for it, just showing the portrayal of craig as arguing for deism is incorrect. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:24pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: You exist is one thing . Your nature is another thing . I know there's a jackbizzle - this is one thing . But I don't how you look like , do I ? I don't . But this does not change the fact there is indeed a JackBizzle . This is easy na bro ... haba ! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:26pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
JackBizzle: Ogbeni , you don't have any other reasonable thing to say . Its not by force to comment . Take your L and depart in peace . 1 Like |
Re: Deism- The Last Refuge For A Dubious Religious Apologist by JackBizzle: 12:29pm On Jul 11, 2017 |
KingEbukasBlog: The difference between my atheistic materialist philosophy is that I focus on real problems while you choose imaginary solutions. The problem of infinite regress is a difficult one that has not been solved. A paradox. I admit it. You on the other hand, have faith in the imaginary solution that doesn't answer anything. Your answer means that your God is abstract. Imaginary. Unreal. Only such things could be said not to have a beginning |
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