Funny stuff our collaboration with the Saudis is good

our non alignment stands is what is ensuring we stay true to our core foreign policies as stated on Oct 1 1960
Stand for the opress no matter were they are
Reason we supported ANC, We vote yes for Palestinians n send troops for ECOMOG, UN n co
Only time we deviated on our non alighment was on Gaddafi, siding with NATO thinking d west will give us something in exchange, in the end the left us we a dis stabilize Libya

Henry240:


The Hind at $360 million for 12 units is not cheap.

Get your figures right.

That's 30 million dollars Nigeria payed for each MI-35m.

It does not lack advanced sensory or flight characteristics either.

we didn't get a good bargain for our MI-35M Hind E considering that the Brazilians got the same 12 units the helicopter for $150 million.
so the actual cost is around $12-$13 mil. I wonder why ours was that costly. notwithstanding, at $12 million (which is the actual price) its relatively cheap. for comparison, the Mi 28 cost $15 million (we all know Russian gears are usually cheaper than their western counterparts)

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for comparison the Apache cost $40 million,the blackhawk (transport) is $20 million while the AH-1 that Kenya just got costs in the excess of $30 million.

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In terms of sensors, avionics, laser designator, situational awareness, counter measures
, NVG and arnmanments are not really cutting edge. its just upgrade from the older hind versions.

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the flight characteristics isn't too great either. in summary its selling point is the survivability which is unmatched anywhere.

lionel4power:
we didn't get a good bargain for our MI-35M Hind E considering that the Brazilians got the same 12 units the helicopter for $150 million.
so the actual cost is around $12-$13 mil. I wonder why ours was that costly. notwithstanding, at $12 million (which is the actual price) its relatively cheap. for comparison, the Mi 28 cost $15 million 9we all know Russian gears are usually cheaper than their western counterparts)

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for comparison the Apache cost $40 million,the blackhawk (transport) is $20 million while the AH-1 that Kenya just got costs in the excess of $30 million.

.
In terms of sensors, avionics, laser designator, situational awareness, counter measures
, NVG and arnmanments are not really cutting edge. its just upgrade from the older hind versions.

.
the flight characteristics isn't too great either. in summary its selling point is the survivability which is unmatched anywhere.

u guys r quoting unit price or the unit price + weapons + total/designated lifecycle costs for the NAF hinds ?

DEATHMACHINE:
i have never seen such rudderless fellows as the Saudi's

Thanks Nigeria does not need any help from the Saudis I have nothing but disdain for them A Country that can't fight it's own wars.A Country that closed it's air space to Nigeria at the height of the Boko Haram crisis, should at best be held at Continental length.
Israel supplied Nigeria with weapons , while they stood on sidelines, now they want us to help fight their losing war in Yemen @#$&@#$&.

Covert1:


Look at that! Mil Pics from SA are exceptional

On behalf of the photographers involved, thank you.

Covert1:
Fav Pics of The Six Week Offensive:
Nigerian Army T-72 Tanks In Theater.

thank God BHT didnt get their hands on cheap Libyan ATGM.

Eastern Africa Police Chiefs Organisation training exercise 'Imarisha Amani’ execute a joint exercise to respond to regional security challenges

Covert1:


Nigeria should put Saudi Arabia on notice.

They are buying support all across the Middle East and parts of Africa.

Covert1:


The purchase won't stop here of course. I expect to see things in the air too, their Air Force is abysmal. Freebies are sweet. Look at the Egyptians with Saudi and Gulf money. The princes of Arabia have money like rice and will shower anyone with it willing to sell their birth right to wash dirty laundry for them.

Definitely, they purchase air assets also, i'm certain of this.

Henry240:


The problem i've noticed with some Nigerians here boils down unfortunately to a lack of self-worth.

Henry biko let's take it easy but I get ur frustrations, it's an irony.

Covert1:
Fav Pics of The Six Week Offensive:
Nigerian Army T-72 Tanks In Theater.

thank God BHT didn't get their filthy hands on cheap Libyan ATGM

IbnSultaan:
Funny stuff our collaboration with the Saudis is good

our non alignment stands is what is ensuring we stay true to our core foreign policies as stated on Oct 1 1960
Stand for the opress no matter were they are
Reason we supported ANC, We vote yes for Palestinians n send troops for ECOMOG, UN n co
Only time we deviated on our non alighment was on Gaddafi, siding with NATO thinking d west will give us something in exchange, in the end the left us we a dis stabilize Libya

We abstained during the Palestinian vote. We also maintain close relations with Israel, Saudi-Arabia and Iran.

Henry240:


They are buying support all across the Middle East and parts of Africa.

And the root cause of all the wahala we and the world are facing with the export of Wahabism. The new prince is the brain behind all the new geo-political posturing. He's smart reason the king made him crown prince. He understands the dictum "Cash Is King".

i believe she is the first high profile government official to have being kidnapped by alshabaab,luckly she was rescued by KDF and GSU Joint operation

PS Mariam El Maawy rescued by KDF after being abducted by Al-Shabaab
Public Works Principal Secretary Mariam El Maawy was Thursday afternoon rescued by KDF and GSU commandos after being abducted by Al-Shabaab militia in Milihoi, Lamu. A Toyota Prado with six occupants had been taken hostage by the militants at Milihoi along the Lamu-Mpeketoni highway before a joint operation by security forces responded to the 3pm incident. Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) Spokesman Colonel Joseph Awouth El Maawy was rescued in the operation and the body of one man recovered.
Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2001247388/ps-el-maawy-rescued-by-kdf-after-being-abducted-by-al-shabaab

LTGEN:

Thanks Nigeria does not need any help from the Saudis I have nothing but disdain for them A Country that can't fight it's own wars.A Country that closed it's air space to Nigeria at the height of the Boko Haram crisis, should at best be held at Continental length.
Israel supplied Nigeria with weapons , while they stood on sidelines, now they want us to help fight their losing war in Yemen @#$&@#$&.

look at it this way.... they could atleast spark off a naval arms race here in W. Africa.

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It would be a win/win for us.

newafricaken254:
Eastern Africa Police Chiefs Organisation training exercise 'Imarisha Amani’ execute a joint exercise to respond to regional security challenges

that's a big ass rifle

lionel4power:
we didn't get a good bargain for our MI-35M Hind E considering that the Brazilians got the same 12 units the helicopter for $150 million.
so the actual cost is around $12-$13 mil. I wonder why ours was that costly. notwithstanding, at $12 million (which is the actual price) its relatively cheap. for comparison, the Mi 28 cost $15 million (we all know Russian gears are usually cheaper than their western counterparts)

.
for comparison the Apache cost $40 million,the blackhawk (transport) is $20 million while the AH-1 that Kenya just got costs in the excess of $30 million.

.
In terms of sensors, avionics, laser designator, situational awareness, counter measures
, NVG and arnmanments are not really cutting edge. its just upgrade from the older hind versions.

.
the flight characteristics isn't too great either. in summary its selling point is the survivability which is unmatched anywhere.

Remember that cost includes the cost for training and ammunition, also maintainance cost.

We also cannot compare the price of the Brazilian Helios to that of Nigeria. When contracts were signed been a significant factor.

Algerian1 should be able to answer how much they are paying for thier MI-28, since it is a recent purchase.

You mean the Viper version, which the more recent version. There is no way those Kenyan AH-1 costs 30 million. That's impossible.

Interms if avionics nobody can seat at home and declare it is not cutting edge, seeing that the electronics installed in the MI-35m, MI-28N and KA-52 are all recent technology.

Same for flight characteristics, you have not flown the helicopter neither have i, so how do you know? You know any pilot who has flown both types?

LTGEN:

Thanks Nigeria does not need any help from the Saudis I have nothing but disdain for them A Country that can't fight it's own wars.A Country that closed it's air space to Nigeria at the height of the Boko Haram crisis, should at best be held at Continental length.
Israel supplied Nigeria with weapons , while they stood on sidelines, now they want us to help fight their losing war in Yemen @#$&@#$&.

Complete physchos they are!

Covert1:


And the root cause of all the wahala we and the world are facing with the export of Wahabism. The new prince is the brain behind all the new geo-political posturing. He's smart reason the king made him crown prince. He understands the dictum "Cash Is King".

That boy has been war mongering across the region. He needs to take a chill pill.

DEATHMACHINE:
i have never seen such rudderless fellows as the Saudi's

Before they struck oil no one even noticed them. Yemen was their boss exactly why the Houthi's will never allow a Saudi victory. It will be a stain on their honor.

LTGEN:

Thanks Nigeria does not need any help from the Saudis I have nothing but disdain for them A Country that can't fight it's own wars.A Country that closed it's air space to Nigeria at the height of the Boko Haram crisis, should at best be held at Continental length.
Israel supplied Nigeria with weapons , while they stood on sidelines, now they want us to help fight their losing war in Yemen @#$&@#$&.

The day we will call them to account is preparing in the gym. That airspace they closed was a painful stab in the back and this Nigeria I know never forgets. We always pay back even if subtly, our friends down south learnt it the hard way. The Beef was with Jonathan but it was Buhari that drew blood with a sudden missing SIM. The British have a story to tell too.

IbnSultaan:
Funny stuff our collaboration with the Saudis is good

our non alignment stands is what is ensuring we stay true to our core foreign policies as stated on Oct 1 1960
Stand for the opress no matter were they are
Reason we supported ANC, We vote yes for Palestinians n send troops for ECOMOG, UN n co
Only time we deviated on our non alighment was on Gaddafi, siding with NATO thinking d west will give us something in exchange, in the end the left us we a dis stabilize Libya

Nigeria actually acted based on it's national interest. Either way Ghaddafi was an existential threat to Nigeria and it's Hegemony in West And Central Africa. NATO was gonna do the heavy lifting so we let them. However history we see it as support for NATO a good thing for us. Nigeria is very very sensitive to the African reaction to any hint of the policy of Pax Nigeriana which informs why our leaders lay low to our disappointment.

ActivateKruger:


You talk about the Recce and Uruguay SF. Where are the Tanzanian SFs? I know they sent a very large number of their special forces in the FIB.

Tanzo SF didn't have enough NVDs.

Before I call it a night.

The SAAF acrobatic team the Silver Falcons

lionel4power:
the hind can absorb more damages

however, its lack of advanced sensory and limitations in its flight characteristics is a turn off. Although the cheap price makes up for it.
the rooivalk on the other hand is big and as such its armor should be 'big' too but that's not the case. I understand that its solves this problem by using long range weapons.

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when the NAF made attempt at the turkish T129 I was ecstatic because it would ha e complemented our hind handsomely.

As far as I know the Rooivalks armour is not mentioned on any website.....so I did you come to your conclusion?

Btw we might have to move this to the discussion page! We all know what happens when there is a Mi35 Vs Rooivalk comparison!

Interesting...

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/africa/2017/02/20/tracking-nigerian-armed-forces-coin-offensive-north-east-nigeria/

OK OK, I'm now calling it a night.

Repost.. No intro needed

GreenandGold:
OK OK, I'm now calling it a night.

Repost.. No intro needed

When you see white folks fly over the freeway like this then you know sh*t is about to get down. We burying some thugs this weekend

frumentius:
Interesting...

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/africa/2017/02/20/tracking-nigerian-armed-forces-coin-offensive-north-east-nigeria/

Fvcking hell surprised there was so much detail in the article!!

LTGEN:

Thanks Nigeria does not need any help from the Saudis I have nothing but disdain for them A Country that can't fight it's own wars.A Country that closed it's air space to Nigeria at the height of the Boko Haram crisis, should at best be held at Continental length.
Israel supplied Nigeria with weapons , while they stood on sidelines, now they want us to help fight their losing war in Yemen @#$&@#$&.

well articulated LT.GEN, my only reservation are these politicians at Abuja who might get enticed with dome dollars as kickbacks.

We still paying the price for supporting NATO covert1

Whether we like it or not others are going US , France n China in the race for Africa.
UAE,Turkey,Japan,Saudis

Henry240:


Countries such as Senegal and the Ivory Coast have been re-organising thier military. Offcourse they are not run by Dictators but we can see investments are bearing good fruits. True, Ivory Coast has a long way, still to go, but they have been investing.

We all saw how swagged up the Senegalese looked in Gambia, with additional Saudi money, i expect reforms to continue.

I don't understand the Saudi money stuff. Can you explain cc: covert1